OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[CheckingLineCenter]

piques*

 

[Peat]

Maybe Russ was asking for 3 years $100M (like previously rumored) so they put out the "we're moving on" rumor to get Russ to come back with a lower ask?

Same thing last year. Maybe they put out "We're not interested in Russ" to get him to come in lower? Maybe "we're not interested in Fields" was to lower the Bears ask?

I dunno. I think most of these "insiders' are bozos, so it's just hard for me to believe they are doing investigative journalism and finding sources in the know that are willing to tell them something without their own motive. I think they are deliberately told things for a reason. They report whatever to get along and keep their job at the paper, radio gig, podcast, whatever because without it, nobody would listen to anything they say.

To be fair, I think they can pick up on some things just being around the team. Tensions between Russ-Smith, Pickens being late to games, etc. That stuff I'm more inclined to believe because it's more out in the open and more people are aware of it. But contract negotiations? Free agency plans? How many people in the organization are even aware of that stuff?

I don't think we disagree on how and why sports journalists get their news.

Just since there's a reason, I ask myself the reason when the journalists aren't making sense, rather than just assuming they're an idiot who got it wrong. Particularly with Dulac who, as far as I can tell, is delighted to be a mouthpiece with no meaningful opinions of his own.

I agree that Public Negotiation makes some sense but I don't think it covers everything here. Like, I don't see the need to walk back comments on Wilson in like a week. I don't see the need to pump Pickett's tires up so much last year to negotiate, or try to negotiate hard with a guy who was going to be on vet minimum. Which, admittedly, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because it makes no sense to me doesn't mean it didn't make sense to someone else.

But I think there are some alternate explanations. That they were pumping up Pickett's tires because they genuinely expected him to be part of the future and something went wrong/changed. That we're hearing different things on Wilson because different parts of the org have different opinions on him (all the stuff about the strained pro relationship between him and Smith from other journos, that's not negotiation to me).

And I don't know those are true either... but I think there's a lot of smoke that the Steelers org's thinking on QBs isn't all that joined up or cohesive right now.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[ChaosAgent]

If Wilson comes back as QB1 that is the organization loudly screaming that 9-10 wins and getting trounced in January is the standard/aspiration. The organization just saw a disastrous 3-year contract to Roethlisberger at age 36-37, there is no reason to think anything will be better with Wilson. He's not a fat fark with a shot arm, but he can't read defenses at all and can't break the mentality that he's the 4.55 guy he was coming out of college and not the 4.9-5.0 guy he is now.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

I don't think Milroe will make it past some of the QB needy teams at the top half of the second rd. Anyone else is whatever.

 

[xlm34]

I don't think we disagree on how and why sports journalists get their news.

Just since there's a reason, I ask myself the reason when the journalists aren't making sense, rather than just assuming they're an idiot who got it wrong. Particularly with Dulac who, as far as I can tell, is delighted to be a mouthpiece with no meaningful opinions of his own.

I agree that Public Negotiation makes some sense but I don't think it covers everything here. Like, I don't see the need to walk back comments on Wilson in like a week. I don't see the need to pump Pickett's tires up so much last year to negotiate, or try to negotiate hard with a guy who was going to be on vet minimum. Which, admittedly, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because it makes no sense to me doesn't mean it didn't make sense to someone else.

But I think there are some alternate explanations. That they were pumping up Pickett's tires because they genuinely expected him to be part of the future and something went wrong/changed. That we're hearing different things on Wilson because different parts of the org have different opinions on him (all the stuff about the strained pro relationship between him and Smith from other journos, that's not negotiation to me).

And I don't know those are true either... but I think there's a lot of smoke that the Steelers org's thinking on QBs isn't all that joined up or cohesive right now.

I would be very surprised if this isn’t the case. I imagine this offseason there’s a majority in favor of Fields and minority with Tomlin as the main voice in favor of Wilson.

I think Tomlin is just so enamored with the idea of Wilson. And I’m sure they talk to each other about how they’ll prove all the naysayers wrong. They’re like the NFL version of the “It’s always the two dumb people telling each other ‘Exactlyyy’” meme.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think Milroe will make it past some of the QB needy teams at the top half of the second rd. Anyone else is whatever.

I think you're right, like I posted last page I think the Raiders running with Wilson and Milroe makes a ton of sense. They're sitting at #37 and I'd be surprised for Milroe to slide beyond there.

I'm coming around more to the idea of drafting Howard with their 3rd. He's definitely more of a backup upside guy, but if you want to give Fields a decent rope as a starter you'll need a backup.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Milroe has tiny hands. Stay far away.

 

[Shockmaster]

Love this guy.

It's official - Art is a moron.

 

[Peat]

An important quote from Rooney that seems to have gone missing:

"Obviously, we will be looking in the draft as well either this year or next."

So not necessarily happening this coming year.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

what don't you understand about "read one, read 2, then make something happen"
do you think that means not reading a defense??


2001 13-3
2002 10-6
2003 6-10
you don't see the pattern??

They were not 10-6 in 2002, and they would have made the AFC Championship if not for a horrendous call by the officials.

 

[JTG]

Art 2 is a cancer that needs to be extracted.

I don't think Milroe will make it past some of the QB needy teams at the top half of the second rd. Anyone else is whatever.

If Milroe has a combine and a pro-day, I wouldn't still be shocked to see him at the top half of the first round, and whatever team does that are the Steelers of 2022.

 

[Smoke]

If this team signs RW and lets JF walk...
lmao

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If this team signs RW and lets JF walk...
lmao

I could see Tomlin being dumb enough to push for a 100m deal for Wilson.

The end result will be the same if it’s Fields or Wilson, so I honestly don’t care who is at QB.

Sign a retread in FA or sign Fields/Wilson, bring back Rudolph, see if Tommy Maddox is in game shape, whatever.

The reality is, it’s like worrying what color to paint the Titanic.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[JTG]

Really true.

 

[pistolpete11]

I don't think we disagree on how and why sports journalists get their news.

Just since there's a reason, I ask myself the reason when the journalists aren't making sense, rather than just assuming they're an idiot who got it wrong. Particularly with Dulac who, as far as I can tell, is delighted to be a mouthpiece with no meaningful opinions of his own.

I agree that Public Negotiation makes some sense but I don't think it covers everything here. Like, I don't see the need to walk back comments on Wilson in like a week. I don't see the need to pump Pickett's tires up so much last year to negotiate, or try to negotiate hard with a guy who was going to be on vet minimum. Which, admittedly, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because it makes no sense to me doesn't mean it didn't make sense to someone else.

But I think there are some alternate explanations. That they were pumping up Pickett's tires because they genuinely expected him to be part of the future and something went wrong/changed. That we're hearing different things on Wilson because different parts of the org have different opinions on him (all the stuff about the strained pro relationship between him and Smith from other journos, that's not negotiation to me).

And I don't know those are true either... but I think there's a lot of smoke that the Steelers org's thinking on QBs isn't all that joined up or cohesive right now.

I'm sure it's not. Until you have that franchise guy, people are going to have opinions.

I just don't think any of this is out of the ordinary or a sign of something deeper. It's public negotiations with probably a splash of beat writers reporting anything that anybody "with a connection to the Steelers" tells them because it generates clicks (if not flat out speculation). None of it means anything until they put pen to paper.

In regards to pumping Pickett's tires, pre-Russ signing, he was slated to be their starter. So of course you're going to try to give your young QB as much confidence and as you can and the team's confidence in him. That's another reason to leak "we're not interested in Russ" to the media. To protect Pickett's (fragile) ego on the off chance Russ doesn't sign. Post-Russ signing, you don't want there to be any bad feelings in the room so you pump his tires in hopes he takes it well. He didn't, so they turned around and traded him.

 

[pistolpete11]

I could see Tomlin being dumb enough to push for a 100m deal for Wilson.

The end result will be the same if it’s Fields or Wilson, so I honestly don’t care who is at QB.

Sign a retread in FA or sign Fields/Wilson, bring back Rudolph, see if Tommy Maddox is in game shape, whatever.

The reality is, it’s like worrying what color to paint the Titanic.

Agreed. Neither are the long term answer. They just need somebody to start for a year or 2.

It makes sense to just sign whoever comes in cheaper so they can use the extra money to build out the rest of the team in preparation for the guy they draft in 2026 (*crosses fingers they don't bother with Milroe).

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

K

Agreed. Neither are the long term answer. They just need somebody to start for a year or 2.

It makes sense to just sign whoever comes in cheaper so they can use the extra money to build out the rest of the team in preparation for the guy they draft in 2026 (*crosses fingers they don't bother with Milroe).

Ya I would imagine you sign the cheaper and younger guy - but nothing this org does makes sense under AR2.

Fields is exactly who I thought he was, but he’s an easy guy to root for, so I prefer him.

Wilson is cooked and feels fake, but that could be because a lot of the Hawks defensive guys said he’s FOS and not genuine, and I’m projecting.

 

[pistolpete11]

Ya I would imagine you sign the cheaper and younger guy - but nothing this org does makes sense under AR2.

Fields is exactly who I thought he was, but he’s an easy guy to root for, so I prefer him.

Wilson is cooked and feels fake, but that could be because a lot of the Hawks defensive guys said he’s FOS and not genuine, and I’m projecting.

My only concern about signing the younger guy is that they talk themselves into him being the answer longer term even if he's not (I don't think he is) and decide to not make finding a QB in 2026 the top priority.

 

[Smoke]

I could see Tomlin being dumb enough to push for a 100m deal for Wilson.

The end result will be the same if it’s Fields or Wilson, so I honestly don’t care who is at QB.

Sign a retread in FA or sign Fields/Wilson, bring back Rudolph, see if Tommy Maddox is in game shape, whatever.

The reality is, it’s like worrying what color to paint the Titanic.

I think its more of I'd rather watch Justin Fields than Mr. Moonball, has nothing to do with wins because this team is stuck either way.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think its more of I'd rather watch Justin Fields than Mr. Moonball, has nothing to do with wins because this team is stuck either way.

Ya I get it.

However, my mindset is they just need to keep losing and getting embarrassed.

It’s the only way real change happens and the long Tomlin nightmare ends.

So I don’t care if Tomlin declares himself the starter, it’s a small matter to me.

Just lose.

Every win is one win closer to keeping Tomlin around and if he finally has a losing season he’s got to be cooked.

I don’t believe the fraud has a lifetime job - there has to be a breaking point where AR2 is tired of watching his legacy become a joke (already there but hey).

My only concern about signing the younger guy is that they talk themselves into him being the answer longer term even if he's not (I don't think he is) and decide to not make finding a QB in 2026 the top priority.

You have to be a total moron to think Fields is the answer to beating Mahomes, Allen Jackson etc.

Oh wait…

 

[JTG]

The thing with Fields and why he works here is his legs. Had he played, they actually probably would have had more wins because when Russ needed to scramble it all went to shit.

 

[cookthebooks]

gotta beat doc watson before you can beat allen jackson imo

 

[pistolpete11]

The thing with Fields and why he works here is his legs. Had he played, they actually probably would have had more wins because when Russ needed to scramble it all went to shit.

I think this could be true in games like the first Browns game and the second Bungles game, but I'm not sure he could keep up in the first Bungles game or the Commanders game. Let's not forget, Fields didn't win a game where the defense gave up more than 13 points.