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pistolpete11 said:
Or he's a useful idiot.
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Probably is in some cases, but where's the usefulness of announcing they'll be moving on from Wilson then going "hang on" in four days, or the whole QB mess they had last year that xlm pointed out?
 
Yeah they're 100% taking Milroe in the 2nd or 3rd round. He's the most similar skillset to Fields, meaning you won't need to change up the team's playstyle with changing QBs and you can build your team based on the playstyle both offer. I'm also fully anticipating the "1st round skills" that will be brought up when they take him in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I don't think anyone else makes sense as a day 2 pick at QB. After Milroe and Ewers, I don't think there are any other QBs projected to go in either the 2nd or 3rd round. Using NFL Draft Buzz, it lists Milroe anticipated as being a late 2nd (#50 overall), Ewers as a late 3rd (#87 overall) and McCord as a mid 4th (#108). Howard might find himself in the late 3rd as well but he looks to only have backup upside.

bigdaddyk88 said:
Dart might be a top 10 pick I don’t think Milroe falls to our 2nd round pick
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Dart is projected to be a late 4th rounder.
 
Yeah I have no clue where to expect Milroe to go. Could be anywhere from the teens to the third round. I think he had another year of eligibility so he must have received decent feedback. I pray this team does not select him early but who knows.

The only thing I am 100% certain on with Milroe is that there will be a freakish throw from his pro day or the combine that makes its rounds on social media and convinces everyone he’ll be a top ten pick.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
I think Milroe might interview and combine himself into the teens TBH
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I hope you're right. I don't want to give this team any ideas.

Go with Fields, see how he does next year and draft a QB next year if he doesn't cut it. If Milroe falls to your 3rd, then I'm fine with taking him.

bigdaddyk88 said:
Dart is the consensus qb 3 headed to the senior bowl he isn’t a 4th round pick
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There have been 2 mocks that have him as a 2nd rounder and 3 mocks that have him as a 3rd rounder. ESPN has him as a late 5th/early 6th. On tankathon, they have him going 94th to Cleveland and ranked 103rd on their big board.

Coincidentally, they also have Ewers as 63rd on their big board but have the Steelers taking him at 83rd.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I hope you're right. I don't want to give this team any ideas.

Go with Fields, see how he does next year and draft a QB next year if he doesn't cut it. If Milroe falls to your 3rd, then I'm fine with taking him.



There have been 2 mocks that have him as a 2nd rounder and 3 mocks that have him as a 3rd rounder. ESPN has him as a late 5th/early 6th. On tankathon, they have him going 94th to Cleveland and ranked 103rd on their big board.

Coincidentally, they also have Ewers as 63rd on their big board but have the Steelers taking him at 83rd.
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Right however the qb scarcity he will jump especially if ward and sanders go 1 and 2
 
Empoleon8771 said:
There have been 2 mocks that have him as a 2nd rounder and 3 mocks that have him as a 3rd rounder. ESPN has him as a late 5th/early 6th.

On tankathon, they have him going 94th to Cleveland and ranked 103rd on their big board.
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Teams are going to view him as having the 2 things they cannot teach (freaky athleticism/arm and intangibles) and his weakness being “fixable/coachable” and to be fair- they won’t be incorrect. It’s just if it’s actually doable to implement those teachings.

Depending on his offseason I can see him drafted in the top 10, 1st round, or second round but I’d be real surprised to see him make it to the 3rd. Would have to be a pretty poor draft process IMO.

Also lastly you gotta remember this is a copycat league and QB is a position everyone is desperate for an answer — Lamar, Hurts, Allen all were similar “raw” prospects with physical traits and question marks around their actual play and processing and decision making. Mahomes could be argued as similar bucket too. Just a lot of guys playing late in the playoffs with similar Qs at their draft.

Does that ignore Malik Willis, Will Levis, Drew Lock, Anthony Richardson, and many others as the fails with tremendous physical talent and mediocre tape? Of course. But just speculating someone is going to really like him and is going to focus on the hits as a result. Also all but one of those guys were taken in the top 2 rounds.

Tbh who knows if it works out either way for Milroe. I’m pretty agnostic when it comes to QB at this point. Seems to be so random/luck driven.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
Teams are going to view him as having the 2 things they cannot teach (freaky athleticism/arm and intangibles) and his weakness being “fixable/coachable” and to be fair- they won’t be incorrect. It’s just if it’s actually doable to implement those teachings.

Depending on his offseason I can see him drafted in the top 10, 1st round, or second round but I’d be real surprised to see him make it to the 3rd. Would have to be a pretty poor draft process IMO.

Also lastly you gotta remember this is a copycat league and QB is a position everyone is desperate for an answer — Lamar, Hurts, Allen all were similar “raw” prospects with physical traits and question marks around their actual play and processing and decision making. Mahomes could be argued as similar bucket too. Just a lot of guys playing late in the playoffs with similar Qs at their draft.

Does that ignore Malik Willis, Will Levis, Drew Lock, Anthony Richardson, and many others as the fails with tremendous physical talent? Of course. But just speculating someone is going to really like him and is going to focus on the hits as a result. Also all but one of those guys were taken in the top 2 rounds.

Tbh who knows if it works out either way for Milroe. I’m pretty agnostic when it comes to QB at this point. Seems to be so random/luck driven.
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That quoted post you had was about Dart, not Milroe. I agree with you that someone could definitely overdraft Milroe due to his freak athleticism. I really struggle to see what Dart offers that can realistically put him higher than a round 3 talent.

To me, Milroe is closer to Willis than he is to Hurts, hence why I wouldn't want to use anything higher than a 3rd on him. That said, I can easily see the Steelers using their own 2nd on him if he falls to that spot. I'd just prefer they didn't. I can also see him going even higher than that. I'd much rather give Fields a year and see how he does, then decide to draft a QB high, over taking such a major project in Milroe with anything higher than a 3rd.

My draft prediction would be Milroe goes in the early 2nd, Ewers goes in the early 3rd and then you see the Howard/Dart/ect group start in the late 3rd and early 4th rounds. Personally I can see LV signing Wilson to be their starter and then taking Milroe with the #37 pick, I think that makes a boatload of sense.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
That quoted post you had was about Dart, not Milroe. I agree with you that someone could definitely overdraft Milroe due to his freak athleticism. I really struggle to see what Dart offers that can realistically put him higher than a round 3 talent.

To me, Milroe is closer to Willis than he is to Hurts, hence why I wouldn't want to use anything higher than a 3rd on him. That said, I can easily see the Steelers using their own 2nd on him if he falls to that spot. I'd just prefer they didn't. I can also see him going even higher than that. I'd much rather give Fields a year and see how he does, then decide to draft a QB high, over taking such a major project in Milroe with anything higher than a 3rd.

My draft prediction would be Milroe goes in the early 2nd, Ewers goes in the early 3rd and then you see the Howard/Dart/ect group start in the late 3rd and early 4th rounds. Personally I can see LV signing Wilson to be their starter and then taking Milroe with the #37 pick, I think that makes a boatload of sense.
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Yeah I’m aware- quote cut off the beginning idk why. This site sucks lmao

Generally agree on all those projected draft slots. I think the Steelers are taking a QB in the first 4 rounds though.

If they don’t overdraft Milroe (which I think they have to do if he’s their “guy”) I think it’ll be a McCord/Howard/Dart in RD3-4.
 
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Peat said:
Probably is in some cases, but where's the usefulness of announcing they'll be moving on from Wilson then going "hang on" in four days, or the whole QB mess they had last year that xlm pointed out?
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Maybe Russ was asking for 3 years $100M (like previously rumored) so they put out the "we're moving on" rumor to get Russ to come back with a lower ask?

Same thing last year. Maybe they put out "We're not interested in Russ" to get him to come in lower? Maybe "we're not interested in Fields" was to lower the Bears ask?

I dunno. I think most of these "insiders' are bozos, so it's just hard for me to believe they are doing investigative journalism and finding sources in the know that are willing to tell them something without their own motive. I think they are deliberately told things for a reason. They report whatever to get along and keep their job at the paper, radio gig, podcast, whatever because without it, nobody would listen to anything they say.

To be fair, I think they can pick up on some things just being around the team. Tensions between Russ-Smith, Pickens being late to games, etc. That stuff I'm more inclined to believe because it's more out in the open and more people are aware of it. But contract negotiations? Free agency plans? How many people in the organization are even aware of that stuff?
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
Yeah I’m aware- quote cut off the beginning idk why. This site sucks lmao

Generally agree on all those projected draft slots. I think the Steelers are taking a QB in the first 4 rounds though.

If they don’t overdraft Milroe (which I think they have to do if he’s their “guy”) I think it’ll be a McCord/Howard/Dart in RD3-4.
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Yeah I agree, I think Howard is the guy I'd dislike the least there. I don't think he has true starter's upside but he looks to be a very good backup. If Fields pans out, I like Howard as a backup to him. That's just a huge if on Fields, though.

That said, they just said earlier that they want to give either Wilson or Fields a multi-year deal rather than a 1 year deal, so I doubt Fields only gets 1 year to prove he's a starter. If you're not planning on drafting a QB in 2026 either way, I wouldn't mind taking a guy who projects to be a high end backup.
 
Anybody that says definitely where a guy like Milroe will be taken are lying, especially this early.

Pickett's year was a bunch of guys and the talk was we don't even know if any of these guys will be available when the Steelers pick, they all were, and the next one wasn't taken until mid-3rd round or whatever.

Last year it was maybe they will take a shot at McCarthy, Penix, or even Nix and they all went top 12.
 
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