OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[bigdaddyk88]

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[cookthebooks]

harbaugh deserves to get roasted for his usage of henry and abandonment of hte read options

 

[bigdaddyk88]

It should be most eye-opening to Tomlin that Houston was able to contain Kansas City's offense. That's right, you don't need to spend unbelievable amounts of capital if you actually scheme a defense.

The more I think about it, the more I think that Tomlin's lack of defensive acumen (a DB coach and 1-year DC 20 years ago?) but refusal to delegate or become a cheerleader HC like Campbell is his biggest flaw. Smith is not a terrible OC objectively and we can't fully judge offense until they have adequate personnel - they simply were deficient at way too many positions last year.

The fact that Teryl Austin is coming back is a disgrace. It means Tomlin is again the de-facto DC which means playoff teams will score on us at will. Like Baltimore could have scored 40+ if they needed to last week.

But the Texans did spend capital on that defense they have a top 10 pick at cb and a 2nd round cb 2 stud pass rushers and 2nd round safety they couldn’t cover Kelece

 

[cookthebooks]

ravens start feeding henry the ball and look unstoppable on offense again

 

[xlm34]

This playoff game is Tomlin’s wet dream. 250 combined passing yards into the 4th quarter.

 

[Peat]

Sweet falcon punch by Bills 43 there.

I think the way that the defence collapses like cheap tissue paper on the regular is an understated problem in all this.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

One thing that is painfully apparent. Having a mobile or dual threat QB is now the norm.

One more reason to go with Fields over Wilson.Build an offense around him and see how it goes. Draft a guy as well this year.

 

[WickedWrister]

OMG

 

[Andy99]

One thing that is painfully apparent. Having a mobile or dual threat QB is now the norm.

One more reason to go with Fields over Wilson.Build an offense around him and see how it goes. Draft a guy as well this year.

They can draft a QB next season…preferably high in the first round…

Thank god the Ravens lost again…good job Buffalo

 

[WickedWrister]

That's absolutely f***ing brutal for Baltimore lmao. Mark Andrews

 

[ChaosAgent]

One thing that is painfully apparent. Having a mobile or dual threat QB is now the norm.

One more reason to go with Fields over Wilson.Build an offense around him and see how it goes. Draft a guy as well this year.

Wilson once was a dual threat QB. No more.

Fields still has a right-tail outcome as a good QB in this league. It probably won't happen but he will come more cheaply than Wilson and retains potential. Fields + a decent backup + a 5th/6th rounder is the only correct answer this off-season. Spend draft capital on WR. Trade Pickens and get more draft capital. Etc.

 

[WickedWrister]

KC vs PHI
BUF vs WAS

 

[ChaosAgent]

That's absolutely f***ing brutal for Baltimore lmao. Mark Andrews

Lamar did everything there. Andrews failed.

Having said that, I would have given Allen/Buffalo a 75% chance to win the game in the ensuing drive. 2 TOs + 1:30...Baltimore couldn't stop that.

 

[Peat]

I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Wilson once was a dual threat QB. No more.

Fields still has a right-tail outcome as a good QB in this league. It probably won't happen but he will come more cheaply than Wilson and retains potential. Fields + a decent backup + a 5th/6th rounder is the only correct answer this off-season. Spend draft capital on WR. Trade Pickens and get more draft capital. Etc.

Do wait till the draft to get a wr sign one in fa. I still think they keep Gp and draft defensive players

I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.

Henry had 16 carries 85 yards that’s usually a loss for Bmore this season

 

[ChaosAgent]

I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.

Probably because the offense is so bad, the defense has to be on the field. For like 35 minutes of time out of a 180 minute game, which doesn't make any sense but it's repeated enough so it must be the truth I suppose.

Standard year in the Mike Tomlin Paper Tiger defense.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

It usually takes 3 years for a nfl o line men to develop. If he busts ok move Troy to LT and put Washington at RT. They have year 3 and 4 to decide on his 5th year option. He still is going to have to invest in himself to get better in the off season.

I have no idea what logic you are following TBTH.

Tell me one positive thing that was gained the last two seasons by playing Moore at LT over Jones.

Every single verifiable fact points to it being a catastrophic decision from Tomlin.

 

[Ulf5]

They can draft a QB next season…preferably high in the first round…

Thank god the Ravens lost again…good job Buffalo

Bmore

 

[Peat]

Probably because the offense is so bad, the defense has to be on the field. For like 35 minutes of time out of a 180 minute game, which doesn't make any sense but it's repeated enough so it must be the truth I suppose.

Standard year in the Mike Tomlin Paper Tiger defense.

I will bite on the sarcasm and point out that the Ravens did a 13 play, 2 pass attempt, near 8 minute drive on their very first one of the game against the Steelers, largely because they kept running after Henry and gave Jackson a bunch of runs for free.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I will bite on the sarcasm and point out that the Ravens did a 13 play, 2 pass attempt, near 8 minute drive on their very first one of the game against the Steelers, largely because they kept running after Henry and gave Jackson a bunch of runs for free.

I completely agree.
"Mike Tomlin is a great defensive coach" is like "Mike Sullivan wants the Penguins to play fast and skilled." It's a big media circular reference that is disconnected from reality. Sullivan slightly more so at this point.
Tomlin's defenses do a great job playing against an overwhelmed Bo Nix in his 2nd ever game, the Falcons, the Giants, the corpse of Aaron Rodgers etc. So he at least gets his winning record by beating teams his defenses should beat. But in the big games against top opponents, they can't even muster up a performance like Buffalo's today or Houston's yesterday. A competent, competitive performance.

If he wasn't so arrogant he would let himself fully become a Dan Campbell CEO/leader of men type and stop imposing his ceiling-lowering philosophies on the defense.

 

[End of Line]

Bengals and Burrow are somehow kryptonite for both the Chiefs and Bills. Good thing they missed the PO’s again.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I have no idea what logic you are following TBTH.

Tell me one positive thing that was gained the last two seasons by playing Moore at LT over Jones.

Every single verifiable fact points to it being a catastrophic decision from Tomlin.

Moore was the better LT he had been starting at LT for 3 years Jones had a bad camp playing both spots and was injured. He would have sat the bench if Troy was healthy to start the season. I am sure after the bye he would have taken LT over from moore if Troy was healthy. Moore was playing fairly well to start the season
Theres no guarantee he earns the lt job next season if he doesn’t get better and finish his blocks

 

[lastcupever75]

I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.

yeah, i'm shocked Mcdermott came up with a better defensive plan than the coach who faces twice every year.

NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bigdaddyk88]

yeah, i'm shocked Mcdermott came up with a better defensive plan than the coach who faces twice every year.

NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every loss this season Henry didn’t get 20 carries or 85 yards. It was coaching malpractice to go get Henry after the kc playoff loss and change what your team does well

 

[JTG]

Don’t forget early on before his injury, they were swapping Fautanu and Jones out at RT… a move even Jones called out as ridiculous.

Hey let’s move you from your natural position even though you said you aren’t comfortable on the right side, and make you swap out every series to make it even more mind numbingly dumb!

This is how f***ing stupid Tomlin is - risking f***ing up the development of his two prized first round tackles for - the worst starting LT in the league.

What could go wrong - besides ending the season with the worst tackle combo in the league.

Another Tomlin debacle where he thinks he knows better than everyone else.

If you told this to a casual fan of the game, they would think you were making it up, because a professional coach can’t be this dumb.

But here we are.

The only position he develops well is WR, and even that comes with a massive poison pill because he allows their egos to get out of control… every single time.

I thought he looked really good at RT, which begs the question why he was oddly being rotated with Jones?

Why wasn’t Fautanu the full time starter at RT and slide Jones to LT, and make the guy who graded out in 2023 as the second worst pass blocker, the backup?

Keeping Moore as the starting LT ended in him being the worst LT in the league - by far - and Jones kept floundering at a position he keeps trying to tell us he struggles with.

But hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Who would ever expect the second worst pass blocking LT in 2023 to give up the most sacks in 2024?

You would need a magic 8 ball or some shit to see that coming, right?

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He is essentially a black Ben Roethlisberger. I think Daniels right now is the best QB in the NFL. He will beat you anyway he has to. Definitely represents a new generation of QB in the league. Huge fan of his.

My memory of the situation is that both Jones and Fautanu were pretty much straight LTs in college. Jones was a raw LT with freak athleticism, Fautanu a LT who didn't have prototypical height but everything else (also playing with Penix had people going 'but he wasn't protecting the blindside')

Fautanu was a LT for a left handed QB...so he was a RT in terms of how the plays were ran. That being said...yeah, he's a LT to me, but I don't think it matters where he plays.

ravens start feeding henry the ball and look unstoppable on offense again

Henry and Saquon brought validity back to the RB position this season. Teams go as the running game goes.