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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

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ChaosAgent said:
It should be most eye-opening to Tomlin that Houston was able to contain Kansas City's offense. That's right, you don't need to spend unbelievable amounts of capital if you actually scheme a defense.

The more I think about it, the more I think that Tomlin's lack of defensive acumen (a DB coach and 1-year DC 20 years ago?) but refusal to delegate or become a cheerleader HC like Campbell is his biggest flaw. Smith is not a terrible OC objectively and we can't fully judge offense until they have adequate personnel - they simply were deficient at way too many positions last year.

The fact that Teryl Austin is coming back is a disgrace. It means Tomlin is again the de-facto DC which means playoff teams will score on us at will. Like Baltimore could have scored 40+ if they needed to last week.
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But the Texans did spend capital on that defense they have a top 10 pick at cb and a 2nd round cb 2 stud pass rushers and 2nd round safety they couldn’t cover Kelece
 
Sweet falcon punch by Bills 43 there.

I think the way that the defence collapses like cheap tissue paper on the regular is an understated problem in all this.
 
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Goalie_Bob said:
One thing that is painfully apparent. Having a mobile or dual threat QB is now the norm.

One more reason to go with Fields over Wilson.Build an offense around him and see how it goes. Draft a guy as well this year.
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They can draft a QB next season…preferably high in the first round…

Thank god the Ravens lost again…good job Buffalo
 
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Goalie_Bob said:
One thing that is painfully apparent. Having a mobile or dual threat QB is now the norm.

One more reason to go with Fields over Wilson.Build an offense around him and see how it goes. Draft a guy as well this year.
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Wilson once was a dual threat QB. No more.

Fields still has a right-tail outcome as a good QB in this league. It probably won't happen but he will come more cheaply than Wilson and retains potential. Fields + a decent backup + a 5th/6th rounder is the only correct answer this off-season. Spend draft capital on WR. Trade Pickens and get more draft capital. Etc.
 
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I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.
 
ChaosAgent said:
Wilson once was a dual threat QB. No more.

Fields still has a right-tail outcome as a good QB in this league. It probably won't happen but he will come more cheaply than Wilson and retains potential. Fields + a decent backup + a 5th/6th rounder is the only correct answer this off-season. Spend draft capital on WR. Trade Pickens and get more draft capital. Etc.
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Do wait till the draft to get a wr sign one in fa. I still think they keep Gp and draft defensive players

Peat said:
I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.
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Henry had 16 carries 85 yards that’s usually a loss for Bmore this season
 
Peat said:
I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.
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Probably because the offense is so bad, the defense has to be on the field. For like 35 minutes of time out of a 180 minute game, which doesn't make any sense but it's repeated enough so it must be the truth I suppose.

Standard year in the Mike Tomlin Paper Tiger defense.
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
It usually takes 3 years for a nfl o line men to develop. If he busts ok move Troy to LT and put Washington at RT. They have year 3 and 4 to decide on his 5th year option. He still is going to have to invest in himself to get better in the off season.
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I have no idea what logic you are following TBTH.

Tell me one positive thing that was gained the last two seasons by playing Moore at LT over Jones.

Every single verifiable fact points to it being a catastrophic decision from Tomlin.
 
Andy99 said:
They can draft a QB next season…preferably high in the first round…

Thank god the Ravens lost again…good job Buffalo
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:)
Bmore
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ChaosAgent said:
Probably because the offense is so bad, the defense has to be on the field. For like 35 minutes of time out of a 180 minute game, which doesn't make any sense but it's repeated enough so it must be the truth I suppose.

Standard year in the Mike Tomlin Paper Tiger defense.
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I will bite on the sarcasm and point out that the Ravens did a 13 play, 2 pass attempt, near 8 minute drive on their very first one of the game against the Steelers, largely because they kept running after Henry and gave Jackson a bunch of runs for free.
 
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Peat said:
I will bite on the sarcasm and point out that the Ravens did a 13 play, 2 pass attempt, near 8 minute drive on their very first one of the game against the Steelers, largely because they kept running after Henry and gave Jackson a bunch of runs for free.
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I completely agree.
"Mike Tomlin is a great defensive coach" is like "Mike Sullivan wants the Penguins to play fast and skilled." It's a big media circular reference that is disconnected from reality. Sullivan slightly more so at this point.
Tomlin's defenses do a great job playing against an overwhelmed Bo Nix in his 2nd ever game, the Falcons, the Giants, the corpse of Aaron Rodgers etc. So he at least gets his winning record by beating teams his defenses should beat. But in the big games against top opponents, they can't even muster up a performance like Buffalo's today or Houston's yesterday. A competent, competitive performance.

If he wasn't so arrogant he would let himself fully become a Dan Campbell CEO/leader of men type and stop imposing his ceiling-lowering philosophies on the defense.
 
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Mr Jiggyfly said:
I have no idea what logic you are following TBTH.

Tell me one positive thing that was gained the last two seasons by playing Moore at LT over Jones.

Every single verifiable fact points to it being a catastrophic decision from Tomlin.
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Moore was the better LT he had been starting at LT for 3 years Jones had a bad camp playing both spots and was injured. He would have sat the bench if Troy was healthy to start the season. I am sure after the bye he would have taken LT over from moore if Troy was healthy. Moore was playing fairly well to start the season
Theres no guarantee he earns the lt job next season if he doesn’t get better and finish his blocks
 
Peat said:
I am still so puzzled that Pittsburgh's defence couldn't bring a hammer to Baltimore up front and force Jackson to throw and still see how their nerve held like Buffalo did. But oh well.

Would be great if this is the year Buffalo can finally get over their Kansas hump.
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yeah, i'm shocked Mcdermott came up with a better defensive plan than the coach who faces twice every year.

NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
lastcupever75 said:
yeah, i'm shocked Mcdermott came up with a better defensive plan than the coach who faces twice every year.

NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Every loss this season Henry didn’t get 20 carries or 85 yards. It was coaching malpractice to go get Henry after the kc playoff loss and change what your team does well
 
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