OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

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That's why I highlighted some reasons that Tomlin might be open to a change. He can waive that clause. It's mutually beneficial to the other team, Tomlin, and of course the Steelers.
Yes it’s time for him to consider it but more likely the dc and o line coach are fired.
If i was khan I would tell him i am trading minka and having a real discussion with TJ do you want to see this rebuild through
 
I let AI do 1 thing and it zigged instead of zagged. To add - 2004-2006 (years WITH LeBeau and without Tomlin the team was 34-14 (0.700), 2-2 in the playoffs in 2 years, with 1 Super Bowl win.

Where I will defend Tomlin - it took Cowher Dick LeBeau to figure it out too, for the most part.

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When LeBeau’s protégée (Butler) was the figurehead DC, the front players including edge were put in position to succeed. We had superstars, but also exotic rush schemes.

As Tomlin has tightened the reigns and others have rightly pointed out we have gotten more and more and more of tell the superstar to beat his man and make a play rather than doing interesting things to put superstars into advantageous situations.

Say we would have traded Watt and Minkah a few years ago for three firsts . Cool. Anyone here really believe last night doesn’t end differently with Tomlin as coach?
 


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Stat of the night:

28 head coaches have won a playoff game since Mike Tomlin’s last playoff win.

As far as the actual game goes, pathetic.

How did "one of the best defenses" let them ram in down their throats in the first half? You were expecting them to lean on their running game without their most dynamic receiver, right? You weren't prepared for their nearly 1,000 yard rushing QB to keep the ball on run options from the get go? I guess props for the half time adjustment....? But it was too late.

On offense, I'm not sure I agree with people saying Wilson picked up garbage yards once the game was out of reach. Teams playing prevent defense give you underneath stuff and try to prevent quick scores. They did the exact opposite on the 98 yard drive and the TD to Pickens. To me, this is what the offense should have been all along. Push the ball down field CONSISTENTLY, not just every now and then. Use the pass to setup the run and vice versa. But Tomlin (and maybe Smith, too, but I'm still skeptical it's not Tomlin's directive) is to ONLY use the run to setup the pass, don't risk anything, hold onto the ball for as long as possible, etc.

It was an unbelievably bad game plan, except we're use to it. So it's not actually unbelievable.

The defense is a fraud. Tomlin believes it’s great because he does everything in his power to keep them off the field by playing keep away. They play a game of unnatural contortion to avoid first downs until 3rd down and eke their way down the field. Weirdly, this works against most bad teams, and kills them into believing they’ve got it going on.

Then you play real teams and they kill your D—the reaction is: “we just need to execute better” or “we can’t turn the ball over on offense”. Then your d gets shredded even when you don’t turn it over and then it “he needs a QB” and “the offense is the problem”.
Tomlin still tried to blame the offense in his presser last night, citing fatigue and being on the field too much caused much of the defenses problems and no reporter had the balls to follow up with the question, So you are telling us your defense was tired when they gave up a 13 play 95 yard drive on Baltimores first possession, then gave up a 13 play 85 yard drive on Baltimores 3rd possession, of which 23 of the 26 plays were running plays…The Steelers got pushed around and abused like they were a high school team, Tomlins brilliant defensive plan was to crash the ends and make Lamar keep it, yet had no one near the LOS to account for Lamar.
 
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I let AI do 1 thing and it zigged instead of zagged. To add - 2004-2006 (years WITH LeBeau and without Tomlin the team was 34-14 (0.700), 2-2 in the playoffs in 2 years, with 1 Super Bowl win.

Where I will defend Tomlin - it took Cowher Dick LeBeau to figure it out too, for the most part.

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Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong regarding Cowher and LeBeau. LeBeau added some variance to Cowher's defense and it never once took a step back when LeBeau left for Cincy. As Cowher said at the time when he kept losing DC's, he created the Defense at KC. Yes Cowher finally won with Lebeau in those 3 season because 2 of them included a franchise qb for the first time in his tenure. I firmly believe if Tomlin's wife had not fallen ill, the Steeler would have won at least 3 more SB's under Cowher.
 
Jeanty is consensus RB1 and a projected 1st round pick among all the draft people that I follow.

Early to mid 2nd round is really the sweet spot for the devalued positions like RB and C. I think this class has some depth so there should be several targets available for us on day 2.
 
- A playoff win in only 4 of 18 seasons coached.
- Only 3 playoff wins over past 13 seasons.
- Zero playoff wins past 8 seasons.
- Lost 6 consecutive playoff games.
- Outscored 73-0 in 1st qtr. of last six playoff games.
- Owns NFL record for most consecutive playoff games surrendering 40 or more points.
- Needs only one more one & done to tie most in NFL history.
- Lost at least 3 games in December 5 out of past 7 years.
- 21 consecutive games without scoring a 1st quarter TD.
- Has held the lead for less than 5 minutes combined in past 6 playoff games. A span of 360 total minutes.

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In the last 14 years he’s beaten one legit starting QB in the playoffs, and that was a guy the Chiefs were so eager to move on from, they traded up 17 spots for Mahomes.

14 years and your biggest accomplishment is beating Alex Smith.

Try wrapping your head around how this guy is considered a revered, living legend that the national media have to say “I don’t want to use the F word”, like he’s Noll or Landry.
 
Turns out Love from ND ain’t eligible, so I retract my statement.

Wouldn’t use a first on Jeanty though. Guys like Henderson and Singleton on Day 2 are much more appealing.
Not sure Singleton comes out he has until Thursday to decide whether to sign a new nil deal or declare for the draft
If you believe Jeanty can be a Gibbs or Robertson you take round 1
 
Same. Old. Story. This is the Tomlin Standard. Late season collapse. Paper tiger defense. Limp dick offense. Unprepared from the get go. One and done.

Go ahead. Scapegoat Wilson. Scapegoat Austin. Or Najee. Or the O-line coach. Or players playing through injuries. We'll shuffle the deck chairs....again....and get the same results....again....because the core issue is Tomlin.

Trading Tomlin would seriously revitalize the team. Maybe the next guy is a goober and they tank. Good. Maybe he's the savior and they actually win a playoff game. Also good. Maybe there's no change and they are still mediocre. Who cares? That's what they are now, have been for years, and will be for years to come with Tomlin. This purgatory is actually hell.

I think the Bears and Jets would actually be a mutually beneficial situation.

Chicago is a blue collar town which fits right in with Tomlin's (perceived) attitude. They've got their QB of the future. They've been such a mess for so long that just making the playoffs would be seen in a positive light. They are in serious need of a culture shift and getting a coach like Tomlin who is (perceived) to be a winner, great leader, and player's coach would provide that. For Tomlin, it's a storied franchised. He would be seen as a hero to get them in the playoffs. It stops him from tarnishing his 'legacy' with the Steelers any more. The most difficult part of the rebuild is done and theoretically they should be on the upswing which he would get credit for. His wife is into fashion, so she might look forward to going to a city like Chicago instead of Pittsburgh. Fresh start.

The Jets would be all the same stuff except for the QB situation, but they can keep Rodgers so he and Tomlin can bat their eye lashes at each other every day instead of just when they play against each other.

Fortune favors the bold, Rooney. Do it.


i said tomlin to the jets last year. it would still be a good choice.

and also think a trade to chicago would benefit both teams.
those fans were trilled with lovie. they'll go head over heels with tomlin
 
Jeanty is consensus RB1 and a projected 1st round pick among all the draft people that I follow.

Early to mid 2nd round is really the sweet spot for the devalued positions like RB and C. I think this class has some depth so there should be several targets available for us on day 2.

Jeanty is more James Conner than he is Bijan Robinson or someone like that
 
Honestly I'd pretty much ignore getting a RB left to myself. There's a lot of talent in the league and they're about the last piece a good team should get. Focus hard on other more expensive positions.

But since they believe they're in it to win it and they're going to win it through rushing, then yeah I think they should get a RB rounds 2-4. But even then, getting a RB round 1 for a team in their position should be nickels in a sock faceslapping time. This team will not be a contender before Jeanty's rookie contract is done.

Is the org desperate or is Tomlin, who is the de facto GM, desperate?

He is a coach with a massive ego, a FrankenTomlin created by AR2 and the media that’s never had to face accountability for his epic failures.

The media to a degree is finally starting to catch on that Tomlin is a fraud or at least admitting his act has grown stale in Pgh.

Now every January he’s finding himself having to defend why his historical ineptness continues, Groundhogs Day style.

He’s going to make desperate decisions that hurt the long term viability of this franchise just to satisfy his own ego and prove he can win a playoff game - finally.

He has no interest in rebuilding this team properly, in fact I’d argue vehemently he has no clue how to build a true contender from the ground up.

He won his SB on the backs of Dan Rooney, Cowher and Lebeau.

He’s Barry Switzer, that got lucky enough to be hired by the Steelers.

This isn’t a man that will make sound decisions in the best interests of this team’s future.

Not arguing with anything you said about Tomlin, but there's a guy stood behind Tomlin who could fire him but won't because he is equally desperate for more success before his family convince him to retire, and he believes Tomlin is his best chance.

That's the really dangerous part.

As far as the actual game goes, pathetic.

How did "one of the best defenses" let them ram in down their throats in the first half? You were expecting them to lean on their running game without their most dynamic receiver, right? You weren't prepared for their nearly 1,000 yard rushing QB to keep the ball on run options from the get go? I guess props for the half time adjustment....? But it was too late.

This. I think this bit will live in infamy for a while. It's one thing to lose. It's even one thing to lose badly. To lose because you completely guessed wrong and turned a supposed strength vs strength area into an incredible mismatch... yeah.

On offense, I'm not sure I agree with people saying Wilson picked up garbage yards once the game was out of reach. Teams playing prevent defense give you underneath stuff and try to prevent quick scores. They did the exact opposite on the 98 yard drive and the TD to Pickens. To me, this is what the offense should have been all along. Push the ball down field CONSISTENTLY, not just every now and then. Use the pass to setup the run and vice versa. But Tomlin (and maybe Smith, too, but I'm still skeptical it's not Tomlin's directive) is to ONLY use the run to setup the pass, don't risk anything, hold onto the ball for as long as possible, etc.

It was an unbelievably bad game plan, except we're use to it. So it's not actually unbelievable.

I didn't watch. The wife insisted we didn't watch the second half so I can't comment. But I agree it should have been the plan. It felt like it was the plan when they were beating up bad times. Then they went back into their shell.

I do think Tomlin and Smith are feeding each other in bad ways though. I think even Canada was more inventive on first down than Smith has been, but Smith's teams are definitely going downtown less than they have in Smith's previous spots.
 
Some of those shirts that Tomlin's wife sells...woof

This is some grift.

https://www.nordstrom.com/brands/kiya-t ... n/clothing
This website is unavailable in your location. – WPXI ... 813810977/
https://www.wtae.com/article/tomlin-fas ... g/62741524
 
Some more context:



In the last 14 years he’s beaten one legit starting QB in the playoffs, and that was a guy the Chiefs were so eager to move on from, they traded up 17 spots for Mahomes.

14 years and your biggest accomplishment is beating Alex Smith.

Try wrapping your head around how this guy is considered a revered, living legend that the national media have to say “I don’t want to use the F word”, like he’s Noll or Landry.


+.500 is the new standard
Some of those shirts that Tomlin's wife sells...woof

This is some grift.

https://www.nordstrom.com/brands/kiya-t ... n/clothing
This website is unavailable in your location. – WPXI ... 813810977/
https://www.wtae.com/article/tomlin-fas ... g/62741524
Since when did his wife have anything to do... nevermind, I forgot this is the internet. Carry on.
 
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