GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Pittsburgh Finished It

[USMC607]

My biggest concern long term is Art II. He seems like a classic third generation doesn’t- really-know-what-he’s-doing type. He’d be stupid not to take the trade from Washington. Even if you think Tomlin is a good coach, 14 seasons is too long a tenure for someone who isn’t an all-time great. There aren’t many Paul Brown, Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick types around, and Tomlin is nowhere near that class. Time for a coaching staff reboot.

I agree. Our defense is ready to compete for a championship now.

I honestly think depending on the deal we would be foolish not to take Washington's offer.

Espeacially if the rumors are true and Snyder is willing to part with 1st/2nd round picks.

I dont have an issue with Tomlin but any combo of 1st and 2nd round picks to me is a no brainer.

 

[USMC607]

Also... I dont care if Ben does play next yr.

Fichtner better not be OC next yr. Dude is the worst OC or at least top 3 worst I've seen in my lifetime.

 

[turd]

Because of Rooney or on Washington's side? Since its def not the Skins who would prevent it from happening.

And if this were a few years ago Id agree completely. But this could now be 2 years in a row that we blew making the playoffs when basically having it locked up. Rooney has also heard plenty of complaints from minority owners...while Colbert refused to sign another deal. And now its out there that Carolina wants both him and Khan

Who went out and got Fitz for us to turn our D around? Who traded up for Bush?

I know Rooney wouldn't have the guts to change coaches any other route but thru a trade? Thats an easy one to justify.

I can def see him agreeing. Hes now witnessed Bell, Brown, etc...

To Munchak leaving(using he wants to be close to home as an excuse). And how much worse our oline was because of it. Jesse James wanting to get away from the drama. Then Colbert going out and adding Bush and Fitz proving that its more about talent than our coaching(even tho it was already obvious ).

He also only extended him one season.. Not his usual 3.

Nobody expected Colbert to trade up for Bush. Def not trade a 1st for Fitz. So dont count out what could happen next after missing the playoffs again. With us having one of our best Defensive season's ever. Blame it on QB all you want...we at least made the playoffs back then with these types of years on D. With QBs like Tomczak in there. Kordell making the AFCC a few times. Maddox. And in 90s...Brister, Odonnell, etc.

This Rooney is starting to look like an embarrassment compared to the other two, i dont think he wants that. He has been vocal lately. Came out and said we needed to fix our run D after that Jags loss. We did. Was all about trying to keep Brown and make things work. Hes not just letting things happen while he sits in the background anymore like we used to see. The amount of minority owners complaining must have gotten his attention.

Yes losing Ben was a big deal, but fact is we had a playoff spot wrapped up. We then lose to the Bills and even worse...Jets. No excuse. Mason should have been in for that Bills game at the end. We at least kick a FG instead of another pick. Or just simply run it more with Conner who averaged over 5ypc that game. 10-7 lead in 4th and had the ball 3 more times inside FG range. We lost 16-10. No excuse for leaving a "gunslinger " in there in that game....shot his eyes out. Or he should have started the Jets game. OR after Duck threw the first pick , costing us points. But it took another and down 10-0. Mason comes in and ties it up but then gets hurt. If he starts that game and we are up big maybe that doesn't happen. Maybe we are running the ball more with a 17-3 lead for example. Who knows.

Remember, Tomlin also did this with a healthy Ben standing there watching on the sidelines. Assuming we could beat the Raiders without him so he left Dobbs in. And wasnt until we lost the lead that Ben went back in right after. He then scored and gave us the lead back but with it being so late anything can happen. Our D let them get a FG, then Boswell missed his. Gets all the blame when it never should have come down to it. Tomlin is always too late to make an adjustment. Don't wait til things go wrong. He did say he "never anticipates losing "..."we will face that when we get there" tho. Wasn't typical media talk...he actually operates that way.


But Missing the playoffs could be a blessing in disguise

And anyone that mentions his record or us making the playoffs cant be taken seriously. Any coach can with the talent we always have. They arent judged on how many times making the playoffs..its about winning when getting there. Cowher had his flaws for sure but at least lost in the AFCC instead of teams like Denver with Tebow, Jags with Bortles(after our O put up 42 on their D so can't use them having a top D as an excuse), and so on. We choked in the big games back then cuz we nevr had a QB. As soon as Cowher got Ben look at what happened.

And our D has been good "enough" the past few years to make a run. It was ranked top 10. With the offense we had you cant miss the playoffs.

I’m not all that into reading novels. Tomlin isn’t going to be traded by anyone for any reason. That’s pretty much all there is to say about it.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I’m not all that into reading novels. Tomlin isn’t going to be traded by anyone for any reason. That’s pretty much all there is to say about it.

No, but if Tomlin gets an outrageous offer like Gruden, he may opt to leave and all that money will be guaranteed, even when he gets exposed with the Skins.

So he’s not risking much and will get the kind of massive pay day the Steelers will never give him.

He will become crazy rich, have all the power like BB and be near his home town.

Doubt we get lucky enough to be rid of him, but I suspect he will highly consider the offer Snyder makes.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Conner can’t stay healthy and barely a threat when he graces the team with his presence. Under no circumstances should this guy by your go-to QB. All of you would have been done with this guys long time ago if he hadn’t had such a good story off the field. I’m getting really tired of the Conner boys - the jury is out - he can’t stay on the field and he kinda sucks.

The RB's aren't the problem, it's the O line.

The jury is not out on Conner at all. He's a good player who can't stay healthy. Nothing more nothing less. He's our Devonta Freeman and Leonard Fournette.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

That's not true. Dobbs was traded to coddle Rudolph. It has to do with the mismanagement of assets. You don't trade away a QB you spent 3 years developing for a 5th round pick. It's not worth it.

The Steelers literally went out and said that Hodges proved to be better than Dobbs, making Dobbs expandable. And Hodges outplayed Dobbs in the pre-season, I thought this was clearly to every fan. Pretty much everyone agrees that trading away their 4th string QB for a 5th round pick is great asset management.

Man you love to harp on insignificant players just to try to feel like the smartest guy in the room. First Matthew Thomas and now Dobbs. Let me guess, once they cut Trey Edmunds you're gonna ride that train too.

 

[Khelandros]

That's my main argument. Just pointing out, I saw him do LJ things before LJ. He regressed this year when another QB who your coach is on record loving came into the picture. It's understandable. Ultimately this falls on Tomlin. Rudolph wasn't needed and screwed up Dobbs development. Difference with LJ is Harbaugh believed in him. There's a reason Rudolph fell to the 3rd round and if not for a pick from the Raiders it never happens. Mason Rudolph sucks.

This is wrong and you know it. Harbaugh didn't believe in Jackson. Flacco was playing terribly and he was still playing. Jackson didn't get a start until Flacco got hurt and Harbaugh HAD to play Jackson. I'd say get your facts straight, but you've proven that facts don't matter, just your wrong opinions.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

JuJu is waaaaay down the list of problems this franchise has right now.

I am confused as to why people are even picking on the kid. You can't with one hand, praise his lovable presence online and then hate him for it because he's hurt and he's still trying to go and do something positive.

From what I can understand of his injury, he tried to work through it and pushed himself too hard, it's a young person mistake made by a young person, dude has had a rough year and the team really did him no favors getting solid WR's to surround him with, although some decent ones have emerged and done well, he was target #1 on a weak af offense already.

People need to chill the f*** out.

 

[Pens x]

The RB's aren't the problem, it's the O line.

The jury is not out on Conner at all. He's a good player who can't stay healthy. Nothing more nothing less. He's our Devonta Freeman and Leonard Fournette.

Fournette is so much better than Conner.

 

[Rossi Rat]

Fournette is so much better than Conner.

Of course. As a Penn State Man who hates Pitt, I respect how Conner overcame cancer. Further, when healthy, he’s actually shown some flashes and has been good at making those 10-20 yd plays we sorely miss from Bell. He’s even improved in pass protection.

Unfortunately, he still has a fumbling problem. Even more unfortunately, none of this at all matters if he can’t stay healthy. And the cancer definitely seems to be affecting his recovery, which is why I think it’s kind of lame when the old Yinzer rubes and the loudmouth soccer fan (who basically is like the soccer version of the Steelers fans he makes fun of with the team he chose to root for and how he acts with them) on the radio bash him for being soft.

Just may be time for him to go on with his life’s work, as Noll would say... and I’m sure he could make a good living not playing football as some sort of coach or something. Or maybe some other team will roll the die on his health and throw some money his way, that team just shouldn’t be the Steelers.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Fournette is so much better than Conner.

There is literally nothing to suggest that Fournette is better. The only reason you think so is because Fournette was a high draft pick.

Fournette was under 4 YPC in 2 of his 3 NFL seasons. 2019 was his first season over 4 YPC, but he only scored 3 TD's. He's also just as brittle as Conner. In fact, Conner has played more games in his 3 year careers than Fournette.

 

[DanielPlainview]

There is a massive gap in talent between Fournette and Conner.

 

[Pens x]

Of course. As a Penn State Man who hates Pitt, I respect how Conner overcame cancer. Further, when healthy, he’s actually shown some flashes and has been good at making those 10-20 yd plays we sorely miss from Bell. He’s even improved in pass protection.

Unfortunately, he still has a fumbling problem. Even more unfortunately, none of this at all matters if he can’t stay healthy. And the cancer definitely seems to be affecting his recovery, which is why I think it’s kind of lame when the old Yinzer rubes and the loudmouth soccer fan (who basically is like the soccer version of the Steelers fans he makes fun of with the team he chose to root for and how he acts with them) on the radio bash him for being soft.

Just may be time for him to go on with his life’s work, as Noll would say... and I’m sure he could make a good living not playing football as some sort of coach or something. Or maybe some other team will roll the die on his health and throw some money his way, that team just shouldn’t be the Steelers.

Agreed - playing football isn’t for Conner. It’s crazy that only a year ago most posters on here blindly defended him and used the pro bowl excuse to try to justify him being a good player.

 

[TimmyD]

No, but if Tomlin gets an outrageous offer like Gruden, he may opt to leave and all that money will be guaranteed, even when he gets exposed with the Skins.

So he’s not risking much and will get the kind of massive pay day the Steelers will never give him.

He will become crazy rich, have all the power like BB and be near his home town.

Doubt we get lucky enough to be rid of him, but I suspect he will highly consider the offer Snyder makes.

Tomlin is still under contract though... so how does he leave in the offseason without breaching that contract?

 

[SouthGeorge]

The Steelers literally went out and said that Hodges proved to be better than Dobbs, making Dobbs expandable. And Hodges outplayed Dobbs in the pre-season, I thought this was clearly to every fan. Pretty much everyone agrees that trading away their 4th string QB for a 5th round pick is great asset management.

Man you love to harp on insignificant players just to try to feel like the smartest guy in the room. First Matthew Thomas and now Dobbs. Let me guess, once they cut Trey Edmunds you're gonna ride that train too.

Keeping Mata and Chik over Thomas proved to be a great strategy LOL call it what you want but I'm usually right.

This is wrong and you know it. Harbaugh didn't believe in Jackson. Flacco was playing terribly and he was still playing. Jackson didn't get a start until Flacco got hurt and Harbaugh HAD to play Jackson. I'd say get your facts straight, but you've proven that facts don't matter, just your wrong opinions.

Harbaugh was on the verge of getting fired and went to a rookie QB, Jackson. That's putting a lot of trust in him. Sure it could have been Flacco sucks and either this kid is legit or I'm getting fired anyways. Jacksons whole life coaches have been trying to get him to change positions. People were even saying that about LJ like 6 months ago.

I watched them both closely because I honestly believed Dobbs could have been better than LJ. Dobbs had a better arm and pocket awareness. He could have been more of a pocket passer/longer career. He could run too. LJ relies on his legs a lot more. Vick like agility that Dobbs doesn't have. LJ did get a lot more accurate this year though.

 

[TNT87]

Watt named Steelers MVP.

He should get DPOY too. He's having a phenomenal year.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

There is a massive gap in talent between Fournette and Conner.

Conner was more productive in college and in the pro's. And they're equally injury prone. Talent doesn't equate productivity.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Keeping Mata and Chik over Thomas proved to be a great strategy LOL call it what you want but I'm usually right.



Harbaugh was on the verge of getting fired and went to a rookie QB, Jackson. That's putting a lot of trust in him. Sure it could have been Flacco sucks and either this kid is legit or I'm getting fired anyways. Jacksons whole life coaches have been trying to get him to change positions. People were even saying that about LJ like 6 months ago.

I watched them both closely because I honestly believed Dobbs could have been better than LJ. Dobbs had a better arm and pocket awareness. He could have been more of a pocket passer/longer career. He could run too. LJ relies on his legs a lot more. Vick like agility that Dobbs doesn't have. LJ did get a lot more accurate this year though.

Mata and Chik are long time NFL vets and are solid special team guys. Thomas can't even crack a practice squad. So what have you been right about?

Dobbs could have been better than Lamar Jackson eh? At what point? (honest question). Was it in college when Lamar Jackson was arguably the best player in college football history? Was it in middle school? Or is it based on everything they did in practice? Because I bet you watched all of their games in middle school and high school and obviously watch all their practice sessions and can make a knowledgeable and unbiased determination.

 

[SouthGeorge]

Mata and Chik are long time NFL vets and are solid special team guys. Thomas can't even crack a practice squad. So what have you been right about?

Dobbs could have been better than Lamar Jackson eh? At what point? (honest question). Was it in college when Lamar Jackson was arguably the best player in college football history? Was it in middle school? Or is it based on everything they did in practice? Because I bet you watched all of their games in middle school and high school and obviously watch all their practice sessions and can make a knowledgeable and unbiased determination.

Chik shouldn't be on the team right now and probably gets released in off-season. Mata has been average. Thomas could have been better/cheaper at specials and has way more upside than Mata.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Poor Tomlin

Can't win when the team is wrecked with injuries and can't win when his team is stacked
Guy just can't catch a break...

 

[SouthGeorge]

Dobbs could have been better than Lamar Jackson eh? At what point? (honest question). Was it in college when Lamar Jackson was arguably the best player in college football history? Was it in middle school? Or is it based on everything they did in practice? Because I bet you watched all of their games in middle school and high school and obviously watch all their practice sessions and can make a knowledgeable and unbiased determination.

Comparing their rookie years, Dobbs looked better.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Ben keeps saying he wants to be back stronger than ever but the guy is so f***ing fat right now and that's saying a lot about a guy that normally makes Kessel look jacked.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Comparing their rookie years, Dobbs looked better.

Explain, please.

Because Dobbs didn't see a single snap as a rookie. And in his first season seeing action (2018) was 6-12, with an INT, and a QBR of 24.
LJ had 11 total TD's, 3 INT's, and a QBR of 84.

I, and everyone else, would say that getting a 5th for Dobbs was incredible value for the Steelers. When else have you seen a team get a draft pick for their 4th string QB?

 

[Pens1566]

Chik shouldn't be on the team right now and probably gets released in off-season. Mata has been average. Thomas could have been better/cheaper at specials and has way more upside than Mata.

"could have been"

Apt description of your entire schtick.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Explain, please.

Because Dobbs didn't see a single snap as a rookie. And in his first season seeing action (2018) was 6-12, with an INT, and a QBR of 24.
LJ had 11 total TD's, 3 INT's, and a QBR of 84.

Remember that pre season games vs future grocery baggers count just the same as regular season contests!