GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread - Here we go!

[Harvey Birdman]

It means everything actually.

I simply put myself in their shoes and imagine what I would do, then it makes it easy to realize they don’t give a shit if you want them to follow rigged rules.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree Jiggy. Always like going back and forth with you though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This Bucs-Cowboys game has legitimately been a perfect opening night game for the NFL. Just an awesome game all around.

 

[dogthateats]

Lol I turned it off after 15 minutes or so. Too many flags/commercials/video reviews etc. I can’t get into football anymore I guess.

Touchdown
Commercial break
Injury
Commercial break
Extra point
Commercial break
Kickoff
Flag on the return
Commercial break

 

[Rico Im Ur Fata]

Agents are absolute scum. Zero talent individuals literally making millions based on the work/ability of others.

Good for Watt.

A small number of agents absolutely are, but hardly all.
Don't paint all of us with the same brush please

 

[Rico Im Ur Fata]

Regardless of whatever the opinions on here I’m sure it’s pretty universal that agents are scum.

This is not true

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree Jiggy. Always like going back and forth with you though.

We all have our perspectives, and years back I’d have agreed with your stance.

I just can’t agree with it now, maybe it’s because over the last 7-10 years I’ve learned about how badly the owners f*** the players… and I’ve gotten to know a pretty well known NFLer who coached my daughter in hockey.

He pretty much confirmed how rigged shit is agt the players.

So I’ll never be mad at a guy for using the only real weapon he has agt NFL owners.

 

[Pengwins]

They’re promoting Bell and signed Freeman. I dunno if they need Murray. He’s 31 and Freeman/Bell isn’t much of a drop off from him, if any.

well they just signed him.

 

[xlm34]

We all have our perspectives, and years back I’d have agreed with your stance.

I just can’t agree with it now, maybe it’s because over the last 7-10 years I’ve learned about how badly the owners f*** the players… and I’ve gotten to know a pretty well known NFLer who coached my daughter in hockey.

He pretty much confirmed how rigged shit is agt the players.

So I’ll never be mad at a guy for using the only real weapon he has agt NFL owners.

If it’s a former Steeler who’s career was ruined because he had to play in a completely meaningless game, I definitely wouldn’t blame the guy for completely hating the NFL.

 

[Shockmaster]

We all have our perspectives, and years back I’d have agreed with your stance.

I just can’t agree with it now, maybe it’s because over the last 7-10 years I’ve learned about how badly the owners f*** the players… and I’ve gotten to know a pretty well known NFLer who coached my daughter in hockey.

He pretty much confirmed how rigged shit is agt the players.

So I’ll never be mad at a guy for using the only real weapon he has agt NFL owners.

The thing is though, the players' union keep allowing it to happen every time there's a CBA negotiation. They never take a stand, because it may mean losing the next paycheck.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Fans just have no clue what they are talking about.

Man, I hope you take this in the spirit in which it's intended...

But this is a funny comment.

 

[MrBrightside]

well they just signed him.

Having 3 washed up RB's doesn't equal having any good ones, though. Baltimore will still be fine running the ball as having a guy like Lamar opens things up for RB's, but none of these guys are any good at this point.

 

[OnMyOwn]

well they just signed him.

Yep I saw. Signing all the RBs they can haha

 

[PensandCaps]

AB being this good after 30 and with very little playing time over the past 3 years is insane.

 

[Son Goku]

AB being this good after 30 and with very little playing time over the past 3 years is insane.

He's one of the greatest ever for a reason. If he wasn't such a jerk he could be right up there just below Jerry Rice

 

[OnMyOwn]

TJ talking about playing for the Steelers made me smile. I know we rag on the coach and whatnot, but the former players have said the same things as talked about the regret once they leave.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The thing is though, the players' union keep allowing it to happen every time there's a CBA negotiation. They never take a stand, because it may mean losing the next paycheck.

The owners can lock them out and hold out forever with their massive war chest they build worth billions and billions of dollars spread out over 32 owners vs the NFLPA’s war chest that was around 600m for roughly 1700 players.

I’m not sure how fans can’t do the simple math here, but ok…

This once again doesn’t even begin to touch on how the owners have corrupted the NFLPA from the top on down:

Russell Okung accuses NFLPA of 'systemic corruption,' appeals dismissal of unfair labor claim

Russell Okung claims NFLPA director broke rules to silence players during CBA negotiations

People need to do their research before spouting off how the players should just “negotiate better”.

 

[Khelandros]

The owners can lock them out and hold out forever with their massive war chest they build worth billions and billions of dollars spread out over 32 owners vs the NFLPA’s war chest that was around 600m for roughly 1700 players.

I’m not sure how fans can’t do the simple math here, but ok…

This once again doesn’t even begin to touch on how the owners have corrupted the NFLPA from the top on down:

Russell Okung accuses NFLPA of 'systemic corruption,' appeals dismissal of unfair labor claim

Russell Okung claims NFLPA director broke rules to silence players during CBA negotiations

People need to do their research before spouting off how the players should just “negotiate better”.

Well yes, but, if this is actually true then the players have no hope of beating the owners in any sort of negotiation.

How does the union work?

• The NFLPA works from the bottom-up. All power and authority to do anything in the NFLPA comes from the Board of Reps who are elected by the player members.

 

[Ogrezilla]

The thing is though, the players' union keep allowing it to happen every time there's a CBA negotiation. They never take a stand, because it may mean losing the next paycheck.

If the players union won't do better for the players I won't blame players for doing better for themselves.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Well yes, but, if this is actually true then the players have no hope of beating the owners in any sort of negotiation.

How does the union work?

• The NFLPA works from the bottom-up. All power and authority to do anything in the NFLPA comes from the Board of Reps who are elected by the player members.

They don’t - that’s the entire point. The owners have been exploiting the NFLPA for decades- 82 and 87 strikes went nowhere, the players know they can’t win a long drawn out negotiation process.

Inside how the NFL got its 17th game

In Miami, few player reps seemed to care that Smith had pulled off this nifty piece of negotiating, forcing management to pay for something that was once theirs. Smith warned the room that if the union rejected 17 games, players should be prepared for a lockout.

"It might last two to three years," he said.

 

[Factorial]

Agents are absolute scum. Zero talent individuals literally making millions based on the work/ability of others.

Good for Watt.

They are like the sales people at work.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

They don’t - that’s the entire point. The owners have been exploiting the NFLPA for decades- 82 and 87 strikes went nowhere, the players know they can’t win a long drawn out negotiation process.

Inside how the NFL got its 17th game

I still don’t feel bad for them. Even at the lowest paid player in the league. 610k. You can not hold out for a couple of years? It would take me around 8 1/2 years just to earn that in my career at my current pay.

If you can not take over a half a million dollars and be able to keep your head afloat for a few years. I don’t know what to tell you. You spend to much. Which is the choice of these players that typically spend money like drunken sailors.

But that means I get to pull out the smallest violin in the world if you live a life style that over half a million couldn’t sustain you for a few years.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I still don’t feel bad for them. Even at the lowest paid player in the league. 610k. You can not hold out for a couple of years? It would take me around 8 1/2 years just to earn that in my career at my current pay.

If you can not take over a half a million dollars and be able to keep your head afloat for a few years. I don’t know what to tell you. You spend to much. Which is the choice of these players that typically spend money like drunken sailors.

But that means I get to pull out the smallest violin in the world if you live a life style that over half a million couldn’t sustain you for a few years.

Again, this just isn’t being realistic. The more money you have, the more bills and costs you have. That’s just a reality.

If someone severely cut your salary for a couple years, how long would your current lifestyle last?

If you needed your old salary back, does that mean you are living foolishly to?

Now what if your window to earn the salary you do now is 3-5 years and then you will likely never make this much again in your life.

How long could you last knowing your small window to earn this type of salary is being wasted away - and oh ya the owners have BILLONS and BILLONS to sustain them.

Ultimately, no matter how much you make, I’m 99% sure there are people out there who likely make way less and would be appalled at things you wasted money on.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Again, this just isn’t being realistic. The more money you have, the more bills and costs you have. That’s just a reality.

If someone severely cut your salary for a couple years, how long would your current lifestyle last?

If you needed your old salary back, does that mean you are living foolishly to?

i know what your saying but those situations aren't comparable.

If a football player doeant understand his earning power is finite theyre just not paying attention.

if someone has a day job at X dollars, there is a reasonable expectation that that earning potential will continue to be around even if something dramatic happens to that specific job.

If you cant last 12 months on league min then it doesnt matter how much you make. You’ll be broke as soon as the checks stop comin.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

Again, this just isn’t being realistic. The more money you have, the more bills and costs you have. That’s just a reality.

If someone severely cut your salary for a couple years, how long would your current lifestyle last?

If you needed your old salary back, does that mean you are living foolishly to?

Now what if your window to earn the salary you do now is 3-5 years and then you will likely never make this much again in your life.

How long could you last knowing your small window to earn this type of salary is being wasted away - and oh ya the owners have BILLONS and BILLONS to sustain them.

Ultimately, no matter how much you make, I’m 99% sure there are people out there who likely make way less and would be appalled at things you wasted money on.

If you can’t make it more than a few years off of over half a million dollars you are foolish with your money. And if you have chosen to live a life style that can’t be sustained with that salary for even 12 months at a minimum. I 0% have to feel bad for your situation. There is no way to argue around that. And that’s talking about the lowest no practice squads salary. The fact that someone who has earned over a million in one year, which quite a few players have and do very early in their careers. And can not sustain themselves through out a lock out. That’s their own fault. And your point of maximizing their earning potential is obviously being negated with its impact anyways if they are spending their earning so fast they could not last 12, 24, to 36 months after earning over a million or more dollars. They chose their spending life style. It’s their fault if they can’t sustain themselves no one else’s. You should be able to sustain yourself for that long on the league minimum. Let alone the higher earners.

So if they can not go through a lock out length. That’s 110% their fault. And I do not feel bad for them in the slightest. At all.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If you can’t make it more than a few years off of over half a million dollars you are foolish with your money. And if you have chosen to live a life style that can’t be sustained with that salary for even 12 months at a minimum. I 0% have to feel bad for your situation. There is no way to argue around that.

i know what your saying but those situations aren't comparable.

If a football player doeant understand his earning power is finite theyre just not paying attention.

if someone has a day job at X dollars, there is a reasonable expectation that that earning potential will continue to be around even if something dramatic happens to that specific job.

If you cant last 12 months on league min then it doesnt matter how much you make. You’ll be broke as soon as the checks stop comin.

What makes you think all of these guys are living extravagant lifestyles? You don’t seem to understand who makes up the lion’s share of votes here.

A majority of these guys grew up poor and have family members they are helping out, plus their own bills, then they get slammed with taxes.

The avg NFL player, who again makes up the bulk of the votes, has a 3-5 year window to make as much money as he can to sustain himself long term and take care of his family.

Then you want him to sit out the 2-3 years it might take just to get the owners to budge?

And how many of these guys would have jobs to come back to after 2-3 years?

Not much realism going on up in here.