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Maybe not the worst, but certainly the most disappointing. Fortunately he’s not actually in the mix (to my knowledge).
You still wouldn't have to sign him. I dunno whichever OGs were available, but I'm sure you could have got a guy who let Dotson go back to his preferred side.
The fact that it looks like we might have had two Guards on their weaker side though, that bit is just genius.
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I don't have enough data to know if Daniels has been better on the right or left. Just because he played on the left for Chicago, doesn't mean that is his preferred side or that he is a better player on that side.
I need to see the data first before I can make that determination.
Fair point. You'd like to believe the position he was playing was the position he was most comfortable in, but I can't say I believe the Bears undoubtedly did things right either.
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There are two guys in this draft that we have to come away with one of - Jackson Powers-Johnson or Zac Frazier.
I am really not a fan of many of the centers in this draft. Van Pran is there too, but I think he's a lot like Green in that he gets blown back too much.
I am really not a fan of many of the centers in this draft. Van Pran is there too, but I think he's a lot like Green in that he gets blown back too much.
Just saw someone claim that Cole was 32nd out of 35 Cs on PFF and the lowest pass blocking grade. I presume they're right, would be easy enough to be disproven and it fits what we all saw.
I don’t really agree with these rankings but I do think that this team’s skilled positions are pretty underrated by fans.
It’s a pretty interesting read on how these are calculated though for anyone that likes stats.
If you look at the past 2 seasons combined, DJ ranks 4th (ahead of Jefferson and Lamb) and Pickens ranks 8th. I’ve never paid much attention to these ESPN analytics, but some analysts I trust do so it’s not something I’m completely discounting. Regardless, it’s interesting, thanks for sharing.
The open stats seem to conflict heavily with the stats on how often the Steelers faced perfect coverage (although I can't find full season stats for that).
No doubting both guys are seriously talented though.
No doubting both guys are seriously talented though.
Pickens was particularly surprising since the entire narrative around him has been that he can’t separate. I wish we could filter the ESPN scores by game, it would add a lot of helpful context.
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I think Johnson has always been a guy who excelled at getting open and running good routes, but yeah that’s not something I thought about Pickens at all. Really speaks to how bad the passing game was last year (both from the aspects of QB protection from the OL and actual QB play) that this team couldn’t take better advantage of that.
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I don't know about the methodology especially the open score.
The same metric ranked Pickens a 48 last year.
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Not saying he couldn't have developed, he clearly did a bit, but I'm just doubting the volatility.
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Open score is also the squishiest metric because it includes untargeted routes.
With Pickens, I’d be curious to see his route breakdown this year. Last year, he ran an absurd number of go routes which probably played a pretty big factor in that score.
Including untargeted routes makes it more believable. It also helps me understand why Pickens threw so many tantrums this year (doesn’t excuse the behavior, but I can empathize).I don't know about the methodology especially the open score.
The same metric ranked Pickens a 48 last year.
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Not saying he couldn't have developed, he clearly did a bit, but I'm just doubting the volatility.
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Open score is also the squishiest metric because it includes untargeted routes.
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The issue with DJ is his ability to catch the ball and make himself presentable to the QB. I believe it was Romo who did a piece where DJ was "open" but he still made it more difficult than he needed to for the QB - example, he had the ability to bend the route a certain way to make it way easier for the QB to hit him, but he chose not to. DJ's stats with Mason are so much better than with Kenny though.
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I mean, any metric that has Johnson as a top 10 WR in the NFL is one I would question. That said, of all the spots where an upgrade is needed, WR is well down the list.
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Full in on this. Washington isn't a threat offensively. His impact as a blocker could be incredbile. He absolutely buried Bosa. For the sake of his career he should be begging to be a RT.
He cannot possibly be any worse than Moore or Chuks. Have him put on 25 pounds this offseason. His length alone will allow him to play at a lower weight. He did 21 bench press reps with 35 inch arms...which is crazy. I legit believe Washington is a Jason Peters/Jordan Mailata type guy where he gets turned into a tackle and it's immediate.
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Goalie_Bob
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Art Smith does not make sense at all. Dude couldn't figure out how to use Bijon Robinson, Drake London and Kyle Pitts with a very good offensive line. Talk to any Falcons fan and they will tell you he was dreadful.
His claim to fame was telling Tannehill to hand off to Derrick Henry.
He would have been perfect for Cowher's power running game but this team needs to be progressive. Arthur Smith would be more of the same.
And I totally disagree that WR is not a pretty big need. Deonte is in the last year of his deal, Robinson was not good at all and Austin is a gadget guy. They badly need a big slot receiver and another decent guy. They need to spend some money in FA to bring in a guy and they need to spend a pick on a guy. My thought would be a 3rd or one of the 4ths.
His claim to fame was telling Tannehill to hand off to Derrick Henry.
He would have been perfect for Cowher's power running game but this team needs to be progressive. Arthur Smith would be more of the same.
And I totally disagree that WR is not a pretty big need. Deonte is in the last year of his deal, Robinson was not good at all and Austin is a gadget guy. They badly need a big slot receiver and another decent guy. They need to spend some money in FA to bring in a guy and they need to spend a pick on a guy. My thought would be a 3rd or one of the 4ths.
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