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[bigdaddyk88]

Why are people acting like Rudolph is suddenly a hot commodity? Lol Rudolph’s best and probably only shot at starting next season is in Pittsburgh. He’ll be back.

I know a couple bronco fans that would take him once they cut Willson in case they dreft a jj and redshirt him because he is only 20

 

[T1K]

Since the Steelers aren't going to be spending $$$ money on a FA QB.

Someone like Boyd could be a good get. He would replace Allen Robinson as the big slot receiver. PFF estimates his next contract as 2 years, 15 mil (7.5 AAV). Seems like the Steelers should be able to afford that kind of contract.

Just thinking of who they need from a starter prospective. And that they aren't going to jettison a Seumalo after one mediocre season. And that KP is the starter.

Offense:

QB: Pickett
RB: Warren or Harris
WR: DJ, GP, FA/Draft
TE: Freiermuth
LT: Jones or Moore
LG: Seumalo
C: Cole or Draft
RG: Daniels
RT: Jones or FA/Draft

Defense:
LDE: Ogunjobi
NT: Benton
RDE: Heyward or FA/Draft
LOLB: Watt
MLB: Roberts
MLB: Holcomb or FA/Draft
ROLB: Highsmith
LCB: JPJ
FS: Minkah
SS: Kazee or Draft
RCB: Draft

SlotCB: Sullvan/Trice/Rush

The 20th pick, will be a place for CBs, WRs and maybe RTs. There will probably be a crap load of Edge guys there as well but the Steelers don't really need one. Maybe they look to trade down a few places to pick up an extra 3rd. My early prediction would be a CB in the first. Then a C in the 2nd. Then see what is available in the 3rd.

From a Free Agent perspective. They should have a decent amount of money available (25-32mil) by cutting Robinson, Chuks, PatPete, Mitch (Des Post June 1st), Neal and reworking Cams contract to save 11-12mil. If Cam retires they save 16mil.

I have thought about cutting Ogunjobi as well but I would only do that if Cam was coming back and I knew I had a replacement in FA. Ogunjobi has a 4.75mil roster bonus due on March 16th. Free Agency starts on March 11th. Thus they could save 9.75mil for the 2024 season by cutting and designating him as a Post June 1 cut. But for now I kept him.

I also reworked Watt's contract to lower by about 10mil as far as cap hit. I gave him his next two years of salary (40mil) as a signing bonus, extended him 2 years and added a void year.

Thus, ~37mil to work with in Free Agency:

Backups:

Golden - 2
Rudolph/backupQB - 4.5
Killebrew - 1.2
Igwebuike - 1.1
Sullivan - 1.1
Kuntz - 1.1
Watts - 1.1

Free Agent Signing (~24.6mil left):

Boyd - 7.5
RT - 5-7

Draft Pick allowance and Roster filler: ~10.4mil

Then in the draft:

1st round: CB or OT- Wiggins/Kool-Aid/Dejean/Rakestraw/Arnold/Lassiter or Fuaga/Latham/Mims
2nd Round: C - Powers-Johnson/Van Pran/Frazier
3rd Round: Who knows, best available out of OT/G/S/WR/ILB/DL

Great post. I wouldn’t mind trading DJ — sign Boyd and draft a WR in round 2. I don’t think you’re going to see a significant drop off in production vs the cap savings.

Xavier Worthy from Texas would be a particularly good fit — Pickens, Worthy, Boyd would be a pretty dynamic room. Lots of ceiling with that crew. Pickens -> Alpha, Worthy -> deep threat, Boyd/Muth -> possession

 

[DanielPlainview]

I know a couple bronco fans that would take him once they cut Willson in case they dreft a jj and redshirt him because he is only 20

They could do that with Cousins or anyone really.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Great post. I wouldn’t mind trading DJ — sign Boyd and draft a WR in round 2. I don’t think you’re going to see a significant drop off in production vs the cap savings.

Xavier Worthy from Texas would be a particularly good fit — Pickens, Worthy, Boyd would be a pretty dynamic room. Lots of ceiling with that crew. Pickens -> Alpha, Worthy -> deep threat, Boyd/Muth -> possession

You think boyd is signing for less than 10 million

They could do that with Cousins or anyone really.

Can’t afford cousins after eating 85 million in dead money cutting Wilson they have stidhm as qb

 

[DanielPlainview]

You think boyd is signing for less than 10 million


Can’t afford cousins after eating 85 million in dead money cutting Wilson they have stidhm as qb

Cousins is not going to command a lot of money. He’s going to be lucky to get calls. There are only a handful of teams that are even looking for a QB

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Cousins is not going to command a lot of money. He’s going to be lucky to get calls. There are only a handful of teams that are even looking for a QB

Lol cousins is getting 35 million at minimum He might stay in Minnesota he might go to Atlanta with Billachick

 

[DanielPlainview]

Lol cousins is getting 35 million at minimum He might stay in Minnesota he might go to Atlanta with Billachick

Lol put down the crack pipe

 

[T1K]

You think boyd is signing for less than 10 million


Can’t afford cousins after eating 85 million in dead money cutting Wilson they have stidhm as qb

Yes

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[Honour Over Glory]

Yeah, I could imagine.

Yes, I am a fan of the corn kernels.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

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They have Higgins getting under 20 they are definitely off on him. I think his floor is the juju 3/24 so you save 2 million

 

[Honour Over Glory]

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Normally my “for you” twitter feed is pure garbage, but this was pretty funny

I don't get how anyone even posts on Twitter. It's a cesspool. Anytime someone sends me a DC comics link it's some twisted snyderverse cultists being deranged af. Or it's filled with mostly Don Cherry types of sports fans.

This site, coded by a wanker that doesn't know how to code, hasn't updated the generating link for twitter. X won't show up. You have to change it to "www.twitter.."

 

[Peat]

Fwiw Heyward has said he's not retiring and has no intention of saying . I dunno he's worth 16m but people have been posting differences in the Steelers run and run defence without him and they look pretty big. Will share if I find them again.

This article has the Steelers at 17m over the cap before they start cutting or in other words, Allan Robinson and Okorafor.

But when those two along need to go to get there, I'm skeptical about how much money there is (if also confused and aware that the restructure button is always there). I dunno that the team can be offering Boyd 7m a year to be WR3 or going after biggest OL or the rest of it.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Kaboly: Art Rooney II Will Have 'Huge, Huge Say' In OC Hire, Won't Be Byron Leftwich

The Pittsburgh Steelers are going outside the organization for an offensive coordinator hire for the first time since hiring Todd Haley in 2012. After the failed Matt Canada experiment, The Athletic’s Mark Kaboly believes that team owner Art Rooney II is going to have a “huge, huge say” in who...

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For the quick witted, I’ll let you figure out the good news bad news here.

 

[Peat]

Apparently Kaboly also gives the Steelers as an only 30% chance to bring Rudolph back and thinks they might keep Trubisky, which is the most at odd with the team position I've seen a beat reporter take in some time.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Apparently Kaboly also gives the Steelers as an only 30% chance to bring Rudolph back and thinks they might keep Trubisky, which is the most at odd with the team position I've seen a beat reporter take in some time.

This makes no sense if Mason goes elsewhere mitch is still getting cut

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Tomlin loves Kenny cuz when he grips the ball his small hands make it look huge.

 

[Peat]

This makes no sense if Mason goes elsewhere mitch is still getting cut

Well yeah, that would seem the logical take based on Tomlin's words and actions.

Also quite odd to think the Steelers are only 30% likely to keep Rudolph based on the same. Apparently he thinks Tomlin is still skeptical about Rudolph which he is disguising well if true.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Well yeah, that would seem the logical take based on Tomlin's words and actions.

Also quite odd to think the Steelers are only 30% likely to keep Rudolph based on the same. Apparently he thinks Tomlin is still skeptical about Rudolph which he is disguising well if true.

I think the 30 percent is cause mason may go to the highest bidder he might get a matt flynn type of deal he has only made 10 million in his career so yhis is big payday

 

[Empoleon8771]

It would make absolutely zero sense to keep Trubisky under any circumstance. That has to be Kaboly being an idiot.

I can buy Tomlin not being sold on Rudolph and wanting to go a route like Minshew or something like that. I disagree with the idea, but it’s not an insane idea. The idea of keeping Trubisky when:

1. He makes a lot of money for his role and the Steelers need cap spave
2. He absolutely shit the bed when he got his chance and got benched for Rudolph

Is just insanity. Even if there isn’t a QB competition, meaning Tomlin just lied, why would they want to keep Trubisky as a backup after his performance last year?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Fwiw Heyward has said he's not retiring and has no intention of saying . I dunno he's worth 16m but people have been posting differences in the Steelers run and run defence without him and they look pretty big. Will share if I find them again.

This article has the Steelers at 17m over the cap before they start cutting or in other words, Allan Robinson and Okorafor.

But when those two along need to go to get there, I'm skeptical about how much money there is (if also confused and aware that the restructure button is always there). I dunno that the team can be offering Boyd 7m a year to be WR3 or going after biggest OL or the rest of it.

I think they’ll just restructure a few deals and cut a bunch of guys to get that money. Robinson, Okorafor, Trubisky and Cole seem like guaranteed cuts, and cutting those 4 gets them to $13.6 million in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Add on Peterson getting cut (although I’ve seen some fan speculation that he’ll be moved to FS instead) and restructuring a few deals and you’re sitting pretty comfortably with the cap.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The season minshew just had is similar to what mason did in 2019 in terms of tds and interceptions now obviously the yards are different because minshew played more than 9 games
I don’t think they cut cole unless they sign a different c this draft isn’t deep at c
I think the 2 biggest questions are dj and cam
I could see them dumping larry o extending cam and bringing back adams cheap
Robinson Peterson Mitch are gone. I flip moore and chuks for picks
Rowe jack earned a contract fir next year riley and Suilvan should be cheap

 

[Peat]

I think the 30 percent is cause mason may go to the highest bidder he might get a matt flynn type of deal he has only made 10 million in his career so yhis is big payday

Nope. I'll type out the direct Kaboly quote I saw:

"I'm just speculating here, but I'd say about a good 30 percent. here's the thing about that. If the Steelers really wanted him back, they could make it happen. You just give him a contract offer that's pretty decent, and I'm sure he'll come back, but I don't know if that's what they want to do or not... You think they're sold on him on four games? They probably should be, but the bottom line is for two, three years, they anything they could to, either not get rid of him, but at least not give him the opportunity they so what he can do... They wouldn't have waited until Mitch Trubisky absolutely crapped the bed in Indianapolis to put him in. So I think, in the back of their mind, there's still just a little bit of skepticism there."

Or TL-DR - Kaboly thinks they don't rate him and won't pony up what's needed.

Which is a choice belief right now.

It would make absolutely zero sense to keep Trubisky under any circumstance. That has to be Kaboly being an idiot.

I am absolutely filing this in mind. If the Steelers kept Trubisky and Rudolph ends up somewhere else at his money, I'll give Kaboly a mental cookie.

Elsewise, I'll remember that he's got the insight of a particularly stupid hamster that just discovered ketamine.

Is just insanity. Even if there isn’t a QB competition, meaning Tomlin just lied, why would they want to keep Trubisky as a backup after his performance last year?

Tomlin saying there's always competition doesn't equal a QB competition. Every guy on the roster has competition, but that doesn't mean there's a competition.

I think they’ll just restructure a few deals and cut a bunch of guys to get that money. Robinson, Okorafor, Trubisky and Cole seem like guaranteed cuts, and cutting those 4 gets them to $13.6 million in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Add on Peterson getting cut (although I’ve seen some fan speculation that he’ll be moved to FS instead) and restructuring a few deals and you’re sitting pretty comfortably with the cap.

Comfortably, but comfortable enough to throw 16m at a guy (even with an artificially low first year cap hit)?

Also we already have a FS who'll be playing every snap when capable of running so I have no idea how Peterson is going to justify his deal playing there. My guess is they'll extend him to reduce his deal and use him as a sort of floating spare around the secondary who's first reserve everywhere, sort of like Levi Wallace but more versatile. Which would sound good if Peterson could tackle.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Kaboly: Art Rooney II Will Have 'Huge, Huge Say' In OC Hire, Won't Be Byron Leftwich

The Pittsburgh Steelers are going outside the organization for an offensive coordinator hire for the first time since hiring Todd Haley in 2012. After the failed Matt Canada experiment, The Athletic’s Mark Kaboly believes that team owner Art Rooney II is going to have a “huge, huge say” in who...

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For the quick witted, I’ll let you figure out the good news bad news here.

Where is the good news? Supposedly going outside of the organization? Let me see the hire before that matters.

Jr. having a huge say? Please.

 

[Peat]

Where is the good news? Supposedly going outside of the organization? Let me see the hire before that matters.

Jr. having a huge say? Please.

It not being Leftwich.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

It not being Leftwich.

Again, let me see the hire before I make a judgement.