Well that's sort of the point that someone else was suggesting. That being OC here for Tomlin would be a "pro" for future career opportunities.
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Well that's sort of the point that someone else was suggesting. That being OC here for Tomlin would be a "pro" for future career opportunities.
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Ahh gotcha. I think outside candidates would view us as a relatively stable situation. That's probably our best selling point. Assuming that Tomlin gets extended soon, anyone signing here would basically be guaranteed a 3 year stint.
Compare that to Carolina. Tepper has fired his HC like what, 3 straight years?
Teams like LAC, BUF (if they don't promote whoever is their interim OC) will definitely be valued higher though due to their franchise QB's.
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I don't think it's a dumpster fire job. I just don't see it as a resume builder. When you're looking for head coaching candidates you generally are looking at coordinators who are progressive and innovative and who have had a lot of latitude. Tomlin's strengths as a head coach are in things like leadership, not in nurturing creativity or innovation. Add in the shit show they will likely have at the QB spot, this job will not be highly sought by young up-and-comers. It'll be a retread.
I'm seeing some people say Tomlin said previous NFL OC performance, not just previous NFL. Which, yeah, retread if true.
Which does still technically include the shiniest toy on the block in Kubiak. I imagine he's going to get a lot of offers though.
Which does still technically include the shiniest toy on the block in Kubiak. I imagine he's going to get a lot of offers though.
We’re not gonna get any real information at this time. What is MT supposed to say, “Pickett sucks and Mason priced himself out of town”? If they’re looking into acquiring Cousins/Fields they’ll wanna keep that close to the vest; likewise if they’re interested in drafting someone. Revealing their QB plans does them no good. We just have to be patient if something like that is gonna happen.
The new Patriots HC confirmed they’re gonna draft a QB, but they have that luxury given their draft spot.
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We will find out by the quality or Lack Thereof the OC by how much HC Cliché is known to stick his dick in the Offense Punchbowl
Bored, so listening to the press conference
2:48 - the contract non-answer
4:00 - starting exit interviews
5:15 - no major surgeries planned for players
6;15 - starting to talk coaches, mentions being compliant with NY with OCs i.e. teams still in it
7:30 - Questions - Q1 - Faulkner/Sullivan being OC candidates (No)
7:55 - Q2 - "Will Kenny resume his QB1 status" (Yes but emphasizes the word challenge)
8:25 - Q3 "Is it the hope of the franchise Rudolph will be back" (Yes)
8:38 - Q4 Do you expect to get an extension this year (Yes)
9:15 - Q5 Diontae Johnson said he hopes Rudolph will get the job, do you worry about competition (No)
9:30 - Q6 Are you trying to bring in a new QB (Too early to say with Rudolph a FA)
9:55 - Q7 What are you looking for in a new OC
10:30 - Q8 Why go outside for OC (I think its appropriate)
10:40 - Q9 How do you go about contract extensions (I just do)
11:25 - Q10 Who has a say in OC? (Me, Rooney, Khan)
11:30 - Q11 "Would you prefer prior NFL co-ordinating experience" ("Yes")
Okay, I'm bored, I'll get to the rest later
12:05 - Q12 Did Rudolph change your perception of him ("Oh certainly" - talks up how he was impressed with Rudolph being ready when called upon)
12:45 - Q13 Are you reviewing your process after thinking Rudolph was QB3 (No, references fine line between pro bowler and back-up, so not surprised)
13:30 - Q14 What's your confidence level in Kenny ("I'm extremely confident in him")
14:10 - Q15 Inaudible muttering ("Certainly it's a big year for him")
14:40 - Q16 What's the org's goals and what's it doing to get there ("We want to be world champions")
15:10 - Q17 Out of your goals in 2023 what did you accomplish (I wasn't world champion so I'm not talking about that)
15:40 - Q18 What does it mean to still get powerful endorsements from your locker room ("I don't know what you're referring to")
16:15 - Q19 Players want rules and structure changes, how do you incorporate that feedback (Exit interviews are about getting feedback and I'm always open to changing)
16:50 Q20 (same journo talking over someone else) Do there need to be changes re rules (There certainly need to be changes we can't do the same things and expect a different result)
17 Q21 How much is OC about getting the best out of QB (Significant component)
17:25 Q22 Any plans to change defensive staff (Not going to speculate)
17:40 Q23 You mentioned always being on the go, has that changed (Its intensified)
18:05 Q24 Reason I asked is the stuff about needing a year off (I don't understand the origins of that stuff)
18:40 Q25 Did you tell anyone you planned to take a year off ("No, no" - said through disbelieving laughter)
18:45 Q26 Trubisky (Hasn't met with Mitch yet)
18:50 Q27 Did the playcalling change with Mason or did he perform better (He performed very well but our intentions were our intentions so we were aggressive as there was no tomorrow)
19:20 Q28 Was there a little too much protect the ball and not enough score the ball (At the start of reviewing)
19:50 Q29 Plan to keep scouting and pro days (Absolutely)
19:55 Q30 Is Broderick Jones LT next season or RT (Undecided)
20:10 Q31 Do you think of doing year to year or want to be here long term (I just like to work "I don't spend a lot of time at the big picture stuff, I just don't")
20:30 Q32 Is there an importance to have an extension for interviews (That's a component)
21:10 Q33 Do you need to get extensions earlier (gets done when ti gets done)
21:25 Q34 ILB before it got injured (we were getting better production but attrition was treacherous so decisions to make)
22 Q35 Will (someone, I presume Cole Holcomb) be ready by training camp (I'll have more information later but probably not)
22:20 Q36 Is next year's QB on your roster (slight pause, Yes)
22:30 Rookie playing (They did well, didn't wilt, we deliberately didn't overplay them early to keep them fresh, "I'm excited about the group")
23:05 Is the gap between you and the teams still in the playoffs smaller than it was last year (Certainly but work to be done)
23:30 Can it be more difficult being this close than being a 4 win team (It all sucks)
24:10 What gives you confidence you're still the right guy ("51 years of life")
24:45 How much does wanting a guy like Cam Heyward to get a super bowl matter (I always move at that urgency, regrets Pouncey didn't get a SB)
25:30 Did you find anything you might have changed in evaluation in last year's draft (there were some changes, I view some as beneficial, continual process)
26:05 What's your confidence level in Omar ("I'm very confident")
26:20 Joey Porter ("Very impressed")
26:50 Najee's fifth year ("Been what we needed")
27:10 Pat Pete (We're at the start of post-season, good exit interview with Pat but we're at the start of decision making)
27:40 Was the last couple of weeks difficult for Kenny (yes it was and I was impressed by him being a great team mate to Mason)
28:15 ... this question sucks, uh, basically do you need to be better at changing course in the regular season (Tomlin waffles in response about there being a balance, c'mon, stop waffling, please...)
29:45 Does it get more difficult to turn the page on each season (Please, who is this journalist, go away - Tomlin says you don't have an option although sometimes he doesn't want to)
30:25 Should we expect more veteran starters in FA (We're at the start so can't say, points out its a continuation of draft interest a lot of times)
31:40 Does pending FA starters change the process ("I don't know that it does")
32:15 How much attention will you be paying to draft QBs ("I always do" says you've got enjoy knowing as much about players as possible, suggest his face says he knows he's not answering the implied question)
32:40 Does that interest extend to FA QBs ("I'd be speculating at this juncture" Points out again he wants Rudolph back)
33:05 Were there guys who became leaders (Yes, but that's a usual part of the journey, no names mentioned until the follow up asks for another and he says Muth)
33:40 Has Pickens matured (Yes but there's still meat on the bone)
34 Keanuu Benton (Capable of being dominant sooner rather than later)
34:30 Any interest in a veteran QB to help mentor Kenny (Wants to stay away from speculating)
34:55 Myles Jack/Eric Rowe (Certainly interested in continued employment)
35:15 DeMarvin Leal (Plan for him to contribute more but he's got be a component in that)
35:30 Punter (Harvin was not consistent enough)
Asks any more contract questions at the end, then goes
2:48 - the contract non-answer
4:00 - starting exit interviews
5:15 - no major surgeries planned for players
6;15 - starting to talk coaches, mentions being compliant with NY with OCs i.e. teams still in it
7:30 - Questions - Q1 - Faulkner/Sullivan being OC candidates (No)
7:55 - Q2 - "Will Kenny resume his QB1 status" (Yes but emphasizes the word challenge)
8:25 - Q3 "Is it the hope of the franchise Rudolph will be back" (Yes)
8:38 - Q4 Do you expect to get an extension this year (Yes)
9:15 - Q5 Diontae Johnson said he hopes Rudolph will get the job, do you worry about competition (No)
9:30 - Q6 Are you trying to bring in a new QB (Too early to say with Rudolph a FA)
9:55 - Q7 What are you looking for in a new OC
10:30 - Q8 Why go outside for OC (I think its appropriate)
10:40 - Q9 How do you go about contract extensions (I just do)
11:25 - Q10 Who has a say in OC? (Me, Rooney, Khan)
11:30 - Q11 "Would you prefer prior NFL co-ordinating experience" ("Yes")
Okay, I'm bored, I'll get to the rest later
12:05 - Q12 Did Rudolph change your perception of him ("Oh certainly" - talks up how he was impressed with Rudolph being ready when called upon)
12:45 - Q13 Are you reviewing your process after thinking Rudolph was QB3 (No, references fine line between pro bowler and back-up, so not surprised)
13:30 - Q14 What's your confidence level in Kenny ("I'm extremely confident in him")
14:10 - Q15 Inaudible muttering ("Certainly it's a big year for him")
14:40 - Q16 What's the org's goals and what's it doing to get there ("We want to be world champions")
15:10 - Q17 Out of your goals in 2023 what did you accomplish (I wasn't world champion so I'm not talking about that)
15:40 - Q18 What does it mean to still get powerful endorsements from your locker room ("I don't know what you're referring to")
16:15 - Q19 Players want rules and structure changes, how do you incorporate that feedback (Exit interviews are about getting feedback and I'm always open to changing)
16:50 Q20 (same journo talking over someone else) Do there need to be changes re rules (There certainly need to be changes we can't do the same things and expect a different result)
17 Q21 How much is OC about getting the best out of QB (Significant component)
17:25 Q22 Any plans to change defensive staff (Not going to speculate)
17:40 Q23 You mentioned always being on the go, has that changed (Its intensified)
18:05 Q24 Reason I asked is the stuff about needing a year off (I don't understand the origins of that stuff)
18:40 Q25 Did you tell anyone you planned to take a year off ("No, no" - said through disbelieving laughter)
18:45 Q26 Trubisky (Hasn't met with Mitch yet)
18:50 Q27 Did the playcalling change with Mason or did he perform better (He performed very well but our intentions were our intentions so we were aggressive as there was no tomorrow)
19:20 Q28 Was there a little too much protect the ball and not enough score the ball (At the start of reviewing)
19:50 Q29 Plan to keep scouting and pro days (Absolutely)
19:55 Q30 Is Broderick Jones LT next season or RT (Undecided)
20:10 Q31 Do you think of doing year to year or want to be here long term (I just like to work "I don't spend a lot of time at the big picture stuff, I just don't")
20:30 Q32 Is there an importance to have an extension for interviews (That's a component)
21:10 Q33 Do you need to get extensions earlier (gets done when ti gets done)
21:25 Q34 ILB before it got injured (we were getting better production but attrition was treacherous so decisions to make)
22 Q35 Will (someone, I presume Cole Holcomb) be ready by training camp (I'll have more information later but probably not)
22:20 Q36 Is next year's QB on your roster (slight pause, Yes)
22:30 Rookie playing (They did well, didn't wilt, we deliberately didn't overplay them early to keep them fresh, "I'm excited about the group")
23:05 Is the gap between you and the teams still in the playoffs smaller than it was last year (Certainly but work to be done)
23:30 Can it be more difficult being this close than being a 4 win team (It all sucks)
24:10 What gives you confidence you're still the right guy ("51 years of life")
24:45 How much does wanting a guy like Cam Heyward to get a super bowl matter (I always move at that urgency, regrets Pouncey didn't get a SB)
25:30 Did you find anything you might have changed in evaluation in last year's draft (there were some changes, I view some as beneficial, continual process)
26:05 What's your confidence level in Omar ("I'm very confident")
26:20 Joey Porter ("Very impressed")
26:50 Najee's fifth year ("Been what we needed")
27:10 Pat Pete (We're at the start of post-season, good exit interview with Pat but we're at the start of decision making)
27:40 Was the last couple of weeks difficult for Kenny (yes it was and I was impressed by him being a great team mate to Mason)
28:15 ... this question sucks, uh, basically do you need to be better at changing course in the regular season (Tomlin waffles in response about there being a balance, c'mon, stop waffling, please...)
29:45 Does it get more difficult to turn the page on each season (Please, who is this journalist, go away - Tomlin says you don't have an option although sometimes he doesn't want to)
30:25 Should we expect more veteran starters in FA (We're at the start so can't say, points out its a continuation of draft interest a lot of times)
31:40 Does pending FA starters change the process ("I don't know that it does")
32:15 How much attention will you be paying to draft QBs ("I always do" says you've got enjoy knowing as much about players as possible, suggest his face says he knows he's not answering the implied question)
32:40 Does that interest extend to FA QBs ("I'd be speculating at this juncture" Points out again he wants Rudolph back)
33:05 Were there guys who became leaders (Yes, but that's a usual part of the journey, no names mentioned until the follow up asks for another and he says Muth)
33:40 Has Pickens matured (Yes but there's still meat on the bone)
34 Keanuu Benton (Capable of being dominant sooner rather than later)
34:30 Any interest in a veteran QB to help mentor Kenny (Wants to stay away from speculating)
34:55 Myles Jack/Eric Rowe (Certainly interested in continued employment)
35:15 DeMarvin Leal (Plan for him to contribute more but he's got be a component in that)
35:30 Punter (Harvin was not consistent enough)
Asks any more contract questions at the end, then goes
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Sadly, you’re probably right. My struggle with KP is that his effort/work ethic has never been in question, so I fail to see him taking a huge leap, but I hope to be proven wrong.
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2 questions I would have in regards to the new OC:
1) Will Tomlin allow him to start Rudolph or someone else at QB if they do better than Pickett in training camp or Pickett struggles early on next season?
2) Will Tomlin restrict the new OC and continue to try and win games 13-10?
1) Will Tomlin allow him to start Rudolph or someone else at QB if they do better than Pickett in training camp or Pickett struggles early on next season?
2) Will Tomlin restrict the new OC and continue to try and win games 13-10?
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Ya I’m painfully aware of where they are now, with MT being a modern day version of Kent Graham.
He’s basically why I have no interest in bringing in vet FAs to start.
I detailed this out before, but basically I believe you find your QB in the draft. Give him three years and if he falls on his face, look for the next guy.
Aside from Brees, all free agent QBs are going to keep you living in mediocre land.
Ie Cousins is one of the best FA QB success stories of the last 15 years and he’s won a whopping one playoff games.
If the Steelers want to take a QB in the draft this year to compete with KP, I have no problem with that.
Bringing in a FA like say Fields, just drags things out for a couple more years and keeps them being mediocre, which is all Tomlin has to do apparently.
I’d rather see them draft a young QB, live with his mistakes and let him grow, and go 5-12, than watch another season of this shit.
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Based on what, exactly?
People grossly overrate Rudolph’s performance with the Steelers. White averaged over 300 yards a game with a 62% completion% over his first 3 games. Guys in short sample sizes always have these Rudolph kind of performances.
He was really good for the Steelers. There are plenty of QBs in the NFL who are really good for 4 game stretches. Rudolph isn’t some magical unicorn, he’s another good backup/stopgap starter who had a really good 4 game run.
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White was also throwing it close to 50 times a game to get there and only got 1 win
Empoleon8771
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Yeah, he plays for the Jets. I’m not surprised he only won 1 of 3 games
Either way, I think we mostly agree on what Rudolph is: a really good backup or a stopgap starter. He absolutely should be in a position to compete for the QB1 spot next year. It’s just absurd the level some Steelers fans take it to.
Rudolph’s comparable is someone like Heinicke or Trubisky. Both of those guys signed for “competing for QB1” roles and were paid the fair price for that. I don’t know why people need to take it to absurd levels with Rudolph and act like he’d get paid starters money and command an undisputed starters role because of 3 games.
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Also something else worth pointing out, there’s another young backup QB who stepped in and performed at great levels in their own division: Jake Browing. In 9 games (7 starts), he finished with 98.4 passer rating and is a free agent after the year.
I’m not trying to say Rudolph wasn’t good, he was really good for the Steelers. But what he did isn’t uncommon for QBs to do in small sample sizes. Duck Hodges had a 3 game run in 2019 with a 110.1 passer rating. The thing that make Rudolph so intriguing is his skill set plus he has performed at that level before (first 3-4 games in 2019) and his skill set suggests he could sustain a good level of play as long as he doesn’t turn the ball over. But some Steelers fans are taking it just way overboard.
I’m not trying to say Rudolph wasn’t good, he was really good for the Steelers. But what he did isn’t uncommon for QBs to do in small sample sizes. Duck Hodges had a 3 game run in 2019 with a 110.1 passer rating. The thing that make Rudolph so intriguing is his skill set plus he has performed at that level before (first 3-4 games in 2019) and his skill set suggests he could sustain a good level of play as long as he doesn’t turn the ball over. But some Steelers fans are taking it just way overboard.
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White had a QB Rating of 75.7 last year.
Rudolph had a QB rating of 118.0 this year. Shit, even when he was starting back in 2019 that made most of Pittsburgh give up on him, he had a better QB rating (82.0).
I think it's reasonable that Rudolph will see the Steelers as his best option, but this is not a good argument for why.
I just wanted to push back on the point that White outperformed him. Rudolph was def more efficient and had the better record.Yeah, he plays for the Jets. I’m not surprised he only won 1 of 3 games
Either way, I think we mostly agree on what Rudolph is: a really good backup or a stopgap starter. He absolutely should be in a position to compete for the QB1 spot next year. It’s just absurd the level some Steelers fans take it to.
Rudolph’s comparable is someone like Heinicke or Trubisky. Both of those guys signed for “competing for QB1” roles and were paid the fair price for that. I don’t know why people need to take it to absurd levels with Rudolph and act like he’d get paid starters money and command an undisputed starters role because of 3 games.
I can’t see him having a huge market where the money is so different elsewhere than it would be here, but honestly who really knows. There isn’t a ton of tape on him sucking, a team could toss him a bag.
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I keep hearing from players on other teams about how great Tomlin is, then never see those players come to Pittsburgh.
Deep down they know Tomlin is an easy win and/or complacent Head Coach but don’t have the balls to come play for him.
If he was a winner then why not sign in Pitt lol?
God the Rooney’s are dumb. And so are the players who only stick up for him because they LIKE him oppose to the facts (him being mediocre).
Deep down they know Tomlin is an easy win and/or complacent Head Coach but don’t have the balls to come play for him.
If he was a winner then why not sign in Pitt lol?
God the Rooney’s are dumb. And so are the players who only stick up for him because they LIKE him oppose to the facts (him being mediocre).
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Rudolph has arm talent that those guys don't.
If Kenny had better arm talent and bigger hands I would be more excited about him.
Empoleon8771
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If you want to judge QBs based only on passer rating, Duck Hodges had a comparable 3 game run in 2019 (110.1 passer rating) as Rudolph this year.
The point I’m more so making is that backup QBs regularly have strong 3 game runs just like Rudolph did last year, but they don’t immediately demand starters roles based on such small sample sizes. I don’t even know if Browning gets that and he did it for half a season last year.
If the White comparison isn’t good enough because his passer rating wasn’t good enough, I could pretty easily find another example because it’s not that uncommon. You tend to have like 1-3 guys a year doing that.
Quick example: Taylor Heinicke had 2 stretches with a 105.9 passer rating over 4 games and a 110.0 passer rating over 4 games in 2021. Hence why I keep using Heinicke as a comparable to Rudolph.
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There’s a long history of vets choosing to sign with the Steelers for little money. Stars like Watt have vouched for Tomlin. There’s a lot of valid criticisms of him, but this isn’t one.
Empoleon8771
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Well yeah obviously with Hodges, hence why he hasn’t played in the NFL since.
I said his skill set does make him more intriguing than Hodges, that plus his track record of strong performances in the past. But with that being said, it’s not nearly a large enough sample size for a team to go full stupid with Rudolph, especially when you have another similar guy in Browning available this year as well.
I think like 95% of us agree on Rudolph and where he’s at right now, so maybe me screaming into the wind about the 5% going insane is a waste of time
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