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[Peat]

I'd have to sit down and look at every OC position open, but I'm going to guess most come with warts - whether that's an offensive HC who'll handle most of the work, or lack of talent, or lack of stability, or what.

I also think it's a fair point that the NFL world seems to love Tomlin a lot more than we and might feel different. I'd eye the position skeptically, but maybe they won't.

I also think the timing of Pickett's contract maybe puts you in a decent position of getting one season to turn Pickett around - big success if you do, nobody cares if you don't - and then having a decent shot with another QB if it doesn't work out.

Just saw the tweet was posted already.

Other sources have said that Tomlin was more emphatic about it being a competition between Mason and Kenny. I’m glad they’re doing this, let performance next year dictate who plays and ignore past results or draft position.

Which sources and, crucially, do any of them have the video so we can watch that bit for ourselves?

I think people are grossly exaggerating how much Rudolph having like 2 or 3 good games is going to make other teams want to make him a starter.

Mike White had 4 games on par with Rudolph in 2022-2023 but signed to be Tua’s backup in Miami.

I think if there's one fallacy sports fans easily fall into, it's imagining teams are far more eager to snap up unproven guys than they actually are. See the annual worry about "we'll never get X through waivers".

 

[The Old Master]

Yeah I would be shocked if Pickett didn’t start the year as the starter. And I’d be mildly surprised if there is anything Rudolph/Insert Vet here could do to unseat him.

I think it’s kind of a mistake to go with a Pickett/Veteran “competition” but I can’t say there’s not a small part of me that’s somewhat interested in what Pickett could do in a hopefully better offensive environment.

in the very last game played, rudy was able to hold the team together enough to keep it from being a blowout. after being behind 21-0. the team (not the coach) thinks highly of him. and that's no small feat. him not starting (with out cause) will make more than a few players unhappy. and if you think things are bad on this team now, just wait.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Which sources and, crucially, do any of them have the video so we can watch that bit for ourselves?

I think this counts as being more emphatic about a battle for the QB1 position. They can’t say Rudolph will be that yet because he’s a free agent, but I think it’s clear they want a competition between Pickett and Rudolph.

 

[Peat]

I think this counts as being more emphatic about a battle for the QB1 position. They can’t say Rudolph will be that yet because he’s a free agent, but I think it’s clear they want a competition between Pickett and Rudolph.

To me that's ambiguous and can be read many ways, particularly considering Tomlin's history of competition.

Also for what little its worth Kaboly will put the most pro-Rudolph slant possible on anything.

Maybe I should just listen to the whole damn press conference and find it. I can find the minute of Tomlin extolling Pickett's virtues on Twitter easy, but not him answering the question about QB1.

 

[xlm34]

I think people are grossly exaggerating how much Rudolph having like 2 or 3 good games is going to make other teams want to make him a starter.

Mike White had 4 games on par with Rudolph in 2022-2023 but signed to be Tua’s backup in Miami.

Totally agree on this. And it’s not a popular opinion amongst Steelers fans right now but did he really look THAT good these past couple games? Certainly not good enough that other teams will be throwing themselves at him in free agency.

 

[pistolpete11]

I said yesterday I think the Steelers OC position would be a good one. They have weapons and the bar has been set so low that you'll be a hero if the offense looks even half way decent and if it sucks again, they will blame it on the QB situation and you'll get to start fresh with somebody else. I think the NFL world loving Tomlin is also valid.

However, there would be 2 major red flags IMO. 1) Rumors of Rooney not willing to pay for top coordinators 2) Rumors of Tomlin dictating how the offense should look.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Yeah eat shit Tomlin.

in the very last game played, rudy was able to hold the team together enough to keep it from being a blowout. after being behind 21-0. the team (not the coach) thinks highly of him. and that's no small feat. him not starting (with out cause) will make more than a few players unhappy. and if you think things are bad on this team now, just wait.

These idiots want Tomlin there so badly now they can watch him piss away their hopes. You love him so much Watt, enjoy being a winner of personal awards and nothing else. Tomlin can dick ride his small handed Qb to nothingness.

 

[Pens1566]

People will roll their eyes at this because people here hate Tomlin, but working under Tomlin would likely be a terrific resume adder for any coach with head coach aspirations.

They'd roll their eyes because it's hardly ever worked out that way in the past. His tree is a almost just a trunk.

 

[WickedWrister]

in the very last game played, rudy was able to hold the team together enough to keep it from being a blowout. after being behind 21-0. the team (not the coach) thinks highly of him. and that's no small feat. him not starting (with out cause) will make more than a few players unhappy. and if you think things are bad on this team now, just wait.

Yeah they literally asked Tomlin about Diontae wanting Mason to start and he gave some generic answer about competition.

 

[MrBrightside]

People will roll their eyes at this because people here hate Tomlin, but working under Tomlin would likely be a terrific resume adder for any coach with head coach aspirations.

The complete lack of former assistants who've become head coaches or pretty much become anything at all after leaving the Steelers would suggest otherwise, as does the fact it's very well known that Tomlin dictates game plan and is far more involved in this end of things than he should be as a non-offensive guy.

 

[MrBrightside]

I cannot believe that there are people on this board who are already talking themselves into being ok with running it back with Tomlin and Pickett/Rudolph. Unless they hire 1983 Bill Walsh as OC that combination is capped at 10 wins.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Totally agree on this. And it’s not a popular opinion amongst Steelers fans right now but did he really look THAT good these past couple games? Certainly not good enough that other teams will be throwing themselves at him in free agency.

I think he was at least solid in each of his games, but being great for 2 games and solid for 2 games is still a pretty good result.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I cannot believe that there are people on this board who are already talking themselves into being ok with running it back with Tomlin and Pickett/Rudolph. Unless they hire 1983 Bill Walsh as OC that combination is capped at 10 wins.

Because thats the most likely outcome. They build the team out and go cheap on qb. The defense has tons of FA the o line needs a c of the future and a rt

 

[MrBrightside]

Because thats the most likely outcome. They build the team out and go cheap on qb. The defense has tons of FA the o line needs a c of the future and a rt

There's a difference between recognizing that it's likely and being ok with it. There really aren't any impact starters who are free agents at all on this team, and yes, they need a C and an OT, but they also need a QB.

 

[Andy99]

I cannot believe that there are people on this board who are already talking themselves into being ok with running it back with Tomlin and Pickett/Rudolph. Unless they hire 1983 Bill Walsh as OC that combination is capped at 10 wins.

And a loss if they get to the playoffs lol

 

[WickedWrister]

The complete lack of former assistants who've become head coaches or pretty much become anything at all after leaving the Steelers would suggest otherwise, as does the fact it's very well known that Tomlin dictates game plan and is far more involved in this end of things than he should be as a non-offensive guy.

IDK the coaching tree argument doesn't hold much water when the two DC's he's had for like 15 seasons retired on the job.

We've had what, like 7-8 total coordinators in Tomlins 17 years? Browns have probably had more head coaches in that time frame haha.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

There's a difference between recognizing that it's likely and being ok with it. There really aren't any impact starters who are free agents at all on this team, and yes, they need a C and an OT, but they also need a QB.

Well the entire offense is under contract for next season DJ and Moore are fa next summer Najaee and Muth extensions should be explored this summer
Defensively they need a safety a cb2 and to figure out Cam

 

[Josey Wales]

There is a Video of Shannon Sharpe Tearing HC Cliché a new asshole & Ryan Clark just nodding his head Yes. On Facebook & can't find it But it is Damning

 

[Pens1566]

IDK the coaching tree argument doesn't hold much water when the two DC's he's had for like 15 seasons retired on the job.

We've had what, like 7-8 total coordinators in Tomlins 17 years? Browns have probably had more head coaches in that time frame haha.

It's not just the "coaching tree" argument though. It's the "being on the staff is a good resume builder" when there is almost zero indication of that being the case across the league.

If someone said it's a "good place to stick around in the current role for a long time" opportunity, then it would have more validity.

 

[MrBrightside]

Well the entire offense is under contract for next season DJ and Moore are fa next summer Najaee and Muth extensions should be explored this summer
Defensively they need a safety a cb2 and to figure out Cam

That's my point. Literally the only "starters" who are free agents are Levi Wallace and Kwon Alexander, and Wallace lost his job and Alexander was in a platoon of sorts with Roberts. It's when you have this level of potential continuity that you upgrade at other spots.

 

[Empoleon8771]

 

[bigdaddyk88]

That's my point. Literally the only "starters" who are free agents are Levi Wallace and Kwon Alexander, and Wallace lost his job and Alexander was in a platoon of sorts with Roberts. It's when you have this level of potential continuity that you upgrade at other spots.

I am sure they will they are cutting mitch and Robinson trading or cutting Chucks that’s going to open up money. If they extend DJ and Cam they will have 30 million in FA you can get 3 starters for that plus the draft.

 

[DanielPlainview]

Pittsburgh is Mason's best shot at being a starter. He'll be back. Probably a 1 year+ type of deal.

 

[WickedWrister]

It's not just the "coaching tree" argument though. It's the "being on the staff is a good resume builder" when there is almost zero indication of that being the case across the league.

If someone said it's a "good place to stick around in the current role for a long time" opportunity, then it would have more validity.

Oh I don't view our open OC job as some glamorous position lol. I don't think we're viewed as a dumpster fire like some organizations though. Above average talent at the skill positions but bottom 5ish in QB. The only value it has is that its 1 of like 16 openings this year.

 

[DanielPlainview]

7th seed and an early bounce for eternity!