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[TimmyD]

Why Cincinnati might lose both boyd and Higgins there defense is a mess
Cleveland is going back to watson
They own lamar our 3 3rd place games are Colts falcons and jets. The ravens get Houston buffalo and Tampa

Because like always, they will lose games they have no business losing and it will cost them whatever shot they had a winning the division. You know, the same thing that happens to them every single year

 

[Peat]

Anyway in other news, McCarthy is staying with Dallas. Apparently Prescott praising his work with the offence was a big thing in his favour.

 

[Factorial]

This KP vs. Rudolph vs. Whatever retread loser they could bring in debate reminds me of when my girlfriend asks me if I prefer off-white or beige to paint the walls.

Even worse, "Do I look fat in this dress?" questions.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Even worse, "Do I look fat in this dress?" questions.

That is not the worst question a girl can ask you.

The question that my girlfriend asks that always makes me cringe is when she looks at me all proud and expectantly and twirls around and asks "what's different about me?"

I never have a damn clue. I only can make wild guesses, always wrong. Hair? Dress? Shoes? Nails? Pregnant? Who can tell?

 

[Peat]

Just saw this stat on Cousins elsewhere

".246 winning percentage in the regular season versus teams w/ a winning record."

Has that one come up before as a talking point?

 

[Pens1566]

Just saw this stat on Cousins elsewhere

".246 winning percentage in the regular season versus teams w/ a winning record."

Has that one come up before as a talking point?

Not specifically. But it makes sense. I've subconsciously never really associated him as being a "winner". He's always felt like a middling stat-padder on meh teams that never really went anywhere.

That, and he's just slightly less insane than Rodgers when it comes to QBs. At least for me that is.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

You're right (or I was right?), more mediocrity is a possibility, but then still...who cares? That's what we're gonna get anyway, so swing for the fences with a PB QB like Cousins over Pickett who hasn't shown much positive in the NFL and still has a long list of red flags.

I'm also not sure I agree that Tomlin would get another shot at drafting a QB. I think if they bring in someone legit like Cousins and they continue to be mediocre, I think the noise is just going to get louder and louder. Tomlin was able to stave off the mob after the NE and ARI losses by making the playoffs, but I still think there's a lot of heat on him. Definitely more so than there has ever been at season's end.

Yep, but they don’t want to hear the truth.

Some people trying to reason their way through Tomlin Purgatory is becoming more entertaining than an actual Steelers playoff game.

“KP blows! He’s 25 years old and has proven after two years he’s never gonna be any goods!”

* Insert more random KP bashing

Then they completely miss the irony clamoring for Cousins.

“Steelers need to sign the guy who wasn’t any good until he was 27!”

Ya, a 35 years old Cousins coming of an Achilles injury eating up huge cap will totally get them to the SB!

This is your brain on dru… Tomlin Purgatory.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I just want a decent vet not named mason rudolph brought in to push KP. I don’t mind if mason is back too, but we need someone to really compete.

 

[pistolpete11]

Let us just say we're both right.

Ultimately I don't think you can get close enough to the fences with Cousins on Cousins' salary. It's possible that someone might show me a roster that changes my mind given the team is rookie heavy, but I doubt it. I kind of hate this part of the NFL, where the importance of QBs and the difference in salary between rookies and non-rookies and the difference between the elite and the very good goes hard on guys like Cousins, but that's how I see it. I would rather look for the long shot that does potentially have enough power, even if it is very long.

I don't understand the NFL salary cap, so I will have to partially plead ignorance, but looking at Over the Cap, they have a lot of money invested in guys that would not be missed or even be addition by subtraction. Robinson ($12M), Okorfor ($12M), Peterson ($10M), Trubisky ($7.5M), Cole ($6M), Herbig ($5M). And I especially don't understand restructuring contracts, so I don't know what it could potentially cost them to fit Cousins in.

As for Tomlin's future... we will see. But I feel like Rooney is very noise resistant and suspect that it's quite possible that in his worldview, Tomlin did a fine job with a tough task. I think I'll change my mind on that if the incoming extension is one year only, or when Rooney moves on/starts taking public shots at him, but otherwise, I think Tomlin with a guy like doing Cousins will be able to do enough to buy himself more rope.

Rooney cracked under the pressure to fire Canada mid-season I don't think he's immune to it. And the pressure could also get to Tomlin that he doesn't want to deal with it anymore.

I don't know. We've never seen Tomlin criticized by so many people like we saw this year. The people that turned on him already aren't going to change their mind, there's a lot of people that won't criticize him but think that it's best for both sides to part ways, and the few I've seen still defending him are only giving the QB excuse. So if you take that excuse away, what's left?

Also re the list of what needs to be upgraded - I don't think you need an upgrade on Kazee as much as a guy who can do all the dirty work and free up Fitzpatrick to be Fitzpatrick. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm regretting the team letting Terrell Edmunds go.

If there are two things that I'm convinced the Steelers must do as a matter of the utmost priority this off-season, it's making sure Broderick Jones and Minkah Fitzpatrick are put into one role and one role only rather than being used as utility patches to the roster. Those are two things more or less entirely in their hands that make potentially huge impacts on next seasons.

I don't disagree with any of this.

 

[xlm34]

Just saw this stat on Cousins elsewhere

".246 winning percentage in the regular season versus teams w/ a winning record."

Has that one come up before as a talking point?

Matt Stafford had a similar stat while he was with Detroit — I found something that said he had a .106 winning percentage vs teams with a winning record.

So I guess it’s the question I ask every time QB wins are referenced — how much of that is on Cousins and how much of that is on the other 52 players + coaching staff? And would things be different on this team?

 

[Pens x]

We need to be patient with soon to be 26 year old Kenny!

Cut this clown. I dont want him on the team. The organization will give him endless opportunities.

 

[Josey Wales]

Editorial: Mike Tomlin should punt the pettiness and petulance

A coach is someone who gives instruction. Coaches train. They teach. They help make people better. The simple arithmetic of wins and losses shows the Pittsburgh Steelers’ Mike Tomlin is a good coach. He joined the organization in 2007. In that time, he has amassed two Super Bowl appearances with

triblive.com

 

[pistolpete11]

Editorial: Mike Tomlin should punt the pettiness and petulance

A coach is someone who gives instruction. Coaches train. They teach. They help make people better. The simple arithmetic of wins and losses shows the Pittsburgh Steelers’ Mike Tomlin is a good coach. He joined the organization in 2007. In that time, he has amassed two Super Bowl appearances with

triblive.com

Based on who he has punting on the field, I don't think he sees much value in punting.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Yep, but they don’t want to hear the truth.

Some people trying to reason their way through Tomlin Purgatory is becoming more entertaining than an actual Steelers playoff game.

“KP blows! He’s 25 years old and has proven after two years he’s never gonna be any goods!”

* Insert more random KP bashing

Then they completely miss the irony clamoring for Cousins.

“Steelers need to sign the guy who wasn’t any good until he was 27!”

Ya, a 35 years old Cousins coming of an Achilles injury eating up huge cap will totally get them to the SB!

This is your brain on dru… Tomlin Purgatory.

Well, Cousins wasn't the starting QB until he was 27 because Washington had RGIII. He started a total of 8 games in his first 3 seasons in the NFL, played in a total of 14. So, to try and equate that situation to KP is baffling. It's not even close to the same situation.

But, just for reference, in those 14 games, which some were just mopup or coming into a middle of a game. He had 18Tds and 19Ints. Kenny has 13Tds and 13Ints but that is in 24 starts. In Cousins first 25 starts he had 47Tds and 30Ints.

When I brought up Kirk Cousins yesterday and signing him to be the starter. It had nothing to do with his early career and how maybe it could be relevant to KP, which it isn't. I only care about what he has done in his career and what he could do for the Steelers over the next few seasons. And if he is healthy, he would be a far superior player to KP.

This whole narrative that you can't have a decent team if you pay a QB is just hogwash. Signing Cousins doesn't mean they lose a bunch of draft picks. They still can draft guys to help this team next season and with some shrewd FA signings this team could very easily be competitive.

But honestly, it's probably all moot. Signing a guy like Cousins is so far out of the Steelers wheel house that I shouldn't even daydream about it. They'll probably just run it back with KP and some Vet backup like Minshew/Brissett/Taylor/Wentz.

I'm firmly convinced that if they bring back KP, they can't bring back Rudolph. Because as soon as KP throws a bad pass or an INT, the boo birds will be out and the Yinzers will be chanting for Mason.

If they think that Mason is the guy, then they should trade KP. Several players stated they wanted Mason to get the job for next season on locker cleanout day.

 

[Khelandros]

Tomlin has a press conference at 1 pm EST. Is this his normal end of season, or something else?

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Tomlin has a press conference at 1 pm EST. Is this his normal end of season, or something else?

Normal end of season. He has stated to the players that he plans on being back in 2024.

Only one person could change that but he is a coward.

 

[pistolpete11]

Well, Cousins wasn't the starting QB until he was 27 because Washington had RGIII. He started a total of 8 games in his first 3 seasons in the NFL, played in a total of 14. So, to try and equate that situation to KP is baffling. It's not even close to the same situation.

But, just for reference, in those 14 games, which some were just mopup or coming into a middle of a game. He had 18Tds and 19Ints. Kenny has 13Tds and 13Ints but that is in 24 starts. In Cousins first 25 starts he had 47Tds and 30Ints.

When I brought up Kirk Cousins yesterday and signing him to be the starter. It had nothing to do with his early career and how maybe it could be relevant to KP, which it isn't. I only care about what he has done in his career and what he could do for the Steelers over the next few seasons. And if he is healthy, he would be a far superior player to KP.

This whole narrative that you can't have a decent team if you pay a QB is just hogwash. Signing Cousins doesn't mean they lose a bunch of draft picks. They still can draft guys to help this team next season and with some shrewd FA signings this team could very easily be competitive.

But honestly, it's probably all moot. Signing a guy like Cousins is so far out of the Steelers wheel house that I shouldn't even daydream about it. They'll probably just run it back with KP and some Vet backup like Minshew/Brissett/Taylor/Wentz.

I agree with all of this.

I'm firmly convinced that if they bring back KP, they can't bring back Rudolph. Because as soon as KP throws a bad pass or an INT, the boo birds will be out and the Yinzers will be chanting for Mason.

If they think that Mason is the guy, then they should trade KP. Several players stated they wanted Mason to get the job for next season on locker cleanout day.

I don't agree with this.

If you bring in competition for Pickett, bring in the guy with the highest upside and lowest cost. If that guy is Rudolph, so be it. If Pickett sucks, the boo birds will be out for him regardless of who the backup is. And frankly, if Pickett doesn't make a big jump next year, who gives a shit? He's not the guy.

 

[pistolpete11]

Normal end of season. He has stated to the players that he plans on being back in 2024.

Only one person could change that but he is a coward.

With Tomlin saying he'll be back, I'm like 99% sure he will be back, but there is a part of me that wonders if there is still a chance he's not.

Like what if he said he's coming back expecting an extension, but Rooney isn't willing to give him $15M/year for 3+ more years? Does that change his tune?

Or vice-versa, Tomlin wants to coach out his contract but won't sign an extension and Rooney doesn't want a lame duck head coach who's not committed?



Even if it's wishful thinking, I'm going to keep the door slightly ajar until the Steelers announce he'll be back or he signs an extension.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Matt Stafford had a similar stat while he was with Detroit — I found something that said he had a .106 winning percentage vs teams with a winning record.

So I guess it’s the question I ask every time QB wins are referenced — how much of that is on Cousins and how much of that is on the other 52 players + coaching staff? And would things be different on this team?

If the quarterback play and success is on this coaching staff and their current philosophy then we are screwed whichever direction we go.

 

[MrBrightside]

I agree with all of this.

I don't agree with this.

If you bring in competition for Pickett, bring in the guy with the highest upside and lowest cost. If that guy is Rudolph, so be it. If Pickett sucks, the boo birds will be out for him regardless of who the backup is. And frankly, if Pickett doesn't make a big jump next year, who gives a shit? He's not the guy.

While theoretically you're correct, I would agree with the prior post that just running this QB situation back would be a very bad idea. Neither is close to an established starter and overlaying the dynamics that exist just creates a mess of a situation.

 

[pistolpete11]

While theoretically you're correct, I would agree with the prior post that just running this QB situation back would be a very bad idea. Neither is close to an established starter and overlaying the dynamics that exist just creates a mess of a situation.

I agree it would be better to find a way to get a legit QB (or at least 1 with more upside), but I was responding to the part IF they bring Pickett back as the starter, they shouldn't bring Rudolph back and instead bring in Minshew/Brissett/Taylor/Wentz. I see no reason why Rudolph should not be in that group. Maybe you decide to go with one of the other guys for whatever reason, but it putting too much pressure on Pickett or whatever is not a valid reason IMO.

 

[WickedWrister]

Tomlin presser in 15 mins yeah?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Well, Cousins wasn't the starting QB until he was 27 because Washington had RGIII. He started a total of 8 games in his first 3 seasons in the NFL, played in a total of 14. So, to try and equate that situation to KP is baffling. It's not even close to the same situation.

But, just for reference, in those 14 games, which some were just mopup or coming into a middle of a game. He had 18Tds and 19Ints. Kenny has 13Tds and 13Ints but that is in 24 starts. In Cousins first 25 starts he had 47Tds and 30Ints.

When I brought up Kirk Cousins yesterday and signing him to be the starter. It had nothing to do with his early career and how maybe it could be relevant to KP, which it isn't. I only care about what he has done in his career and what he could do for the Steelers over the next few seasons. And if he is healthy, he would be a far superior player to KP.

This whole narrative that you can't have a decent team if you pay a QB is just hogwash. Signing Cousins doesn't mean they lose a bunch of draft picks. They still can draft guys to help this team next season and with some shrewd FA signings this team could very easily be competitive.

But honestly, it's probably all moot. Signing a guy like Cousins is so far out of the Steelers wheel house that I shouldn't even daydream about it. They'll probably just run it back with KP and some Vet backup like Minshew/Brissett/Taylor/Wentz.

I'm firmly convinced that if they bring back KP, they can't bring back Rudolph. Because as soon as KP throws a bad pass or an INT, the boo birds will be out and the Yinzers will be chanting for Mason.

If they think that Mason is the guy, then they should trade KP. Several players stated they wanted Mason to get the job for next season on locker cleanout day.

I watched Cousins when he came into the league, he was nothing special and most Skins fans hated his ass and wanted him off the roster.

Like MR (it appears), who was booed unmercifully by Yinzer nation this summer, Cousins improved as he got older.

So ya, there is relevancy and a ton of irony to Steeler fans clamoring now for both Cousins and MR.

Now he’s 35 coming off a season ending Achilles injury.

If you believe this is a solution to ending Tomlin’s epic playoff losing streak, cool.

 

[WickedWrister]

I watched Cousins when he came into the league, he was nothing special and most Skins fans hated his ass and wanted him off the roster.

Like MR (it appears), who was booed unmercifully by Yinzer nation this summer, Cousins improved as he got older.

So ya, there is relevancy and a ton of irony to Steeler fans clamoring now for both Cousins and MR.

Now he’s a 35 coming off a season ending Achilles injury.

If you believe this is a solution to ending Tomlin’s epic playoff losing streak, cool.

Meh, he's not elite, but he's basically the only plus starter available as a UFA right now.

 

[Peat]

Matt Stafford had a similar stat while he was with Detroit — I found something that said he had a .106 winning percentage vs teams with a winning record.

So I guess it’s the question I ask every time QB wins are referenced — how much of that is on Cousins and how much of that is on the other 52 players + coaching staff? And would things be different on this team?

This is very true and I was hoping that if known, people would be able to point at how much rests on the rest of the team. My loose impression is that Minnesota have had talent and help for most of Cousins' time there, but a quick look at The Athletic's QB Betrayal Index (i.e. how often the QB had a good day but the DST didn't) suggests that's mostly been on his side of the ball. And statistically, he is more able than most QBs on days his Defence really doesn't show.