OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[Andy99]

Chargers are terrible…zero help tonight…

 

[wheelz87]

Long term could actually be a good thing wild card wise as I don't see the Steelers winning the division at this point over Baltimore.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

As for the D, it was nice to see them stunting on the line to open holes for the LB’s to come in unimpeded. That has been severely lacking all of last season and most of this season. And we saw what happened with Cody Simon getting 3 sacks, 5 as a team and 8 tfl’s. They’re starting to find their rhythm at the best time of the year.

Calling Teryl Austin...

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Long term could actually be a good thing wild card wise as I don't see the Steelers winning the division at this point over Baltimore.

Why we go 3-3 we win the division

 

[Andy99]

Why we go 3-3 we win the division

I doubt we win three of the remaining games…best case is probably a split with Browns and Bengals and lose the remaining…

 

[Peat]

Calling Teryl Austin...

I wonder if maybe next season is the first for a while where they don't utterly remake the secondary and MLBs and that helps

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Even Under Russell Wilson, The Steelers Remain Bad On 1st Down

The beatings will continue until morale improves. That’s my view of the Pittsburgh Steelers’ first-down offense. If they’re going to keep being bad at it, I’m going to keep writing about it. While the switch to QB Russell Wilson has produced plenty of benefits, one area where it hasn’t is on...

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Don't even need to open the link. Steelers have a habit of running into stacked boxes on 1st and 2nd down. Which they've done repeatedly over the past 7 years or so.

That leads me to believe that this isn't truly Art Smith's offense. It's Smith's offense with a Tomlin twist (meaning maximizine TOP over yards per play).

Just when I'm starting to be a Tomlin believer, he shows me repeatedly who he is. I f***ing hate the dude.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I doubt we win three of the remaining games…best case is probably a split with Browns and Bengals and lose the remaining…

They will sweep Cincinnati they always struggle on defense against the Steelers. Mason and Pickett best games last season were against them
Kc is very beatable
I do believe they lose to Philly and b more

 

[xlm34]

Don't even need to open the link. Steelers have a habit of running into stacked boxes on 1st and 2nd down. Which they've done repeatedly over the past 7 years or so.

That leads me to believe that this isn't truly Art Smith's offense. It's Smith's offense with a Tomlin twist (meaning maximizine TOP over yards per play).

Just when I'm starting to be a Tomlin believer, he shows me repeatedly who he is. I f***ing hate the dude.

I really don’t quite get why people think this is the case. Running on early downs has been a staple of every Arthur Smith offense. The offense we have is an Arthur Smith offense.

Tomlin totally believes in his offensive philosophy though which is why he was hired.

 

[Peat]

I really don’t quite get why people think this is the case. Running on early downs has been a staple of every Arthur Smith offense. The offense we have is an Arthur Smith offense.

Tomlin totally believes in his offensive philosophy though which is why he was hired.

I was all set to agree until I looked up TOP for Smith's past offences.

Smith's been bottom 10 4 out of 5 seasons. Now he's first.

As such, I struggle to argue with the idea that there's been a change in emphasis that's come from Tomlin. Or, in other words, a Smith offence with a Tomlin twist. I mostly believe that Smith is here because he and Tomlin have very similar ideas and he's doing his thing but on this, I struggle to argue with the bolded. Both in the sense that this isn't Smith, and that this is detrimental.

 

[Shrimper]

CFB 25 is orders of magnitude better than Madden.

CFB isn't perfect but it's by far the best sports game EA has released in years.

So it's £41 currently on PS. Offer is there until 2nd December so will wait for now.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I really don’t quite get why people think this is the case. Running on early downs has been a staple of every Arthur Smith offense. The offense we have is an Arthur Smith offense.

Tomlin totally believes in his offensive philosophy though which is why he was hired.

Tomlin believes in this when he doesn’t have a top 10 Qb. I do hope they self scout and decide to throw it more on 1st. You know Cincinnati is going to play cover 2 so Muth and Austin should eat. Cleveland as a pure m2m defense should have Williams and GP eating

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I was all set to agree until I looked up TOP for Smith's past offences.

Smith's been bottom 10 4 out of 5 seasons. Now he's first.

As such, I struggle to argue with the idea that there's been a change in emphasis that's come from Tomlin. Or, in other words, a Smith offence with a Tomlin twist. I mostly believe that Smith is here because he and Tomlin have very similar ideas and he's doing his thing but on this, I struggle to argue with the bolded. Both in the sense that this isn't Smith, and that this is detrimental.

Thanks for what you said. Mimics what I was going to type.

We've now seen a pattern with multiple QB's, multiple OC's, multiple personnel. It appears no matter who is "in charge", the goal of the offense is merely to make it to 3rd down and manageable.

 

[xlm34]

I was all set to agree until I looked up TOP for Smith's past offences.

Smith's been bottom 10 4 out of 5 seasons. Now he's first.

As such, I struggle to argue with the idea that there's been a change in emphasis that's come from Tomlin. Or, in other words, a Smith offence with a Tomlin twist. I mostly believe that Smith is here because he and Tomlin have very similar ideas and he's doing his thing but on this, I struggle to argue with the bolded. Both in the sense that this isn't Smith, and that this is detrimental.

Too much goes in to TOP (good and bad) for me to draw too many conclusions on that. Feeding Derrick Henry averaging 5+ yards per carry is going to get you down the field faster than feeding Najee Harris at 4 yards a carry. And if we look at his time in Atlanta, he’s getting a lot better QB play than he got there. I don’t know.

This is just the exact offense that everyone told us to expect from Arthur Smith. Running early and often even if it’s not working? Check. Tons of play action? Check. Maddening red zone plays to Patterson? Unfortunately check.

 

[Peat]

Too much goes in to TOP (good and bad) for me to draw too many conclusions on that. Feeding Derrick Henry averaging 5+ yards per carry is going to get you down the field faster than feeding Najee Harris at 4 yards a carry. And if we look at his time in Atlanta, he’s getting a lot better QB play than he got there. I don’t know.

This is just the exact offense that everyone told us to expect from Arthur Smith. Running early and often even if it’s not working? Check. Tons of play action? Check. Maddening red zone plays to Patterson? Unfortunately check.

Eh. I agree a ton goes into it - not least the defensive side of the ball, as nothing feeds TOP like a defence regularly getting 3 and outs - but I still find it hard to believe that if a team really, really valued it, they couldn't boost it higher than was happening with Smith previously.

Which says to me that Smith doesn't value it that highly. And we've heard a ton about how Tomlin values it.

What would Smith be doing different? I don't know, but I still believe there's something going on there. I don't think he'd be as heavily interception allergic either which is a Tomlin thing too.

 

[MrBrightside]

I doubt we win three of the remaining games…best case is probably a split with Browns and Bengals and lose the remaining…

Best case. Ok. It has to be miserable being you.

 

[MrBrightside]

Too much goes in to TOP (good and bad) for me to draw too many conclusions on that. Feeding Derrick Henry averaging 5+ yards per carry is going to get you down the field faster than feeding Najee Harris at 4 yards a carry. And if we look at his time in Atlanta, he’s getting a lot better QB play than he got there. I don’t know.

This is just the exact offense that everyone told us to expect from Arthur Smith. Running early and often even if it’s not working? Check. Tons of play action? Check. Maddening red zone plays to Patterson? Unfortunately check.

This is exactly right. There were always upsides and downsides to Smith, but Tomlin wanted a conservative, run first, low-risk offense and that's what Smith delivers. For better or worse.

 

[wheelz87]

Why we go 3-3 we win the division

Cleveland is the only game I see as a certain. @bmore and @Philly are losses. KC is beatable but problem is they don't ever actually lose. Tomlin ain't beating Mahommes. I could see a split with Cincy but Burrow is going to pick us apart and we never do as good as we should against crap defenses. This week is going to go a long ways is determining the rest of the year imo. 9-3 vs 8-4 with a 2 game losing streak is a big difference.

and Balt is far superior talent wise than we are. They can easily run the rest of the year, maybe one loss. Our margin for error is so much less than theirs. Can't afford those losses to cleveland the way they can.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Cleveland is the only game I see as a certain. @bmore and @Philly are losses. KC is beatable but problem is they don't ever actually lose. Tomlin ain't beating Mahommes. I could see a split with Cincy but Burrow is going to pick us apart and we never do as good as we should against crap defenses. This week is going to go a long ways is determining the rest of the year imo. 9-3 vs 8-4 with a 2 game losing streak is a big difference.

and Balt is far superior talent wise than we are. They can easily run the rest of the year, maybe one loss. Our margin for error is so much less than theirs. Can't afford those losses to cleveland the way they can.

KP had his best game in his career against Cincinnati they have no defense or running game. They have a below average o line. The Steelers should have their way with Cincinnati. You put JPj on chase double Higgins
The ravens aren’t vastly superior on talent especially on defense they are at their best offensively when Henry gets over 20 carries a game
To beat kc you have to have the ball last

 

[bigdaddyk88]

This is exactly right. There were always upsides and downsides to Smith, but Tomlin wanted a conservative, run first, low-risk offense and that's what Smith delivers. For better or worse.

Tomlin wants a ball control offense like Detroit and Philly. They have let RW throw it often just not on 1st down nor have they scored an opening drive td this season. This team might be better suited to pass to get the lead and then close it with the running game. The biggest issue is the under center play action getting replaced with the 2 wr late te leak pistol RW used in Denver. I am hoping they self scouted and can make changes

 

[pistolpete11]

I'd imagine the Steelers are underdogs against the Ravens, Chiefs, and Eagles and the favorites against the Browns and Bungles. So they 'should' go 3-3, although, I don't think any of these games are gimmies.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I'd imagine the Steelers are underdogs against the Ravens, Chiefs, and Eagles and the favorites against the Browns and Bungles. So they 'should' go 3-3, although, I don't think any of these games are gimmies.

We are underdogs this week @ Cincinnati

 

[pistolpete11]

We are underdogs this week @ Cincinnati

That's kind of silly. I get it's a road divisional game, but they are 4-7 on a 2 game losing streak and the Steelers are 8-3.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

This team might be better suited to pass to get the lead and then close it with the running game.

The biggest issue is they want to be a run first ball control offense and they suck at running the ball. They are 3rd from the bottom in YPC and that is with Fields having a 4.6 YPC. take away Fields and they are probably the worst team in the league.

That's kind of silly. I get it's a road divisional game, but they are 4-7 on a 2 game losing streak and the Steelers are 8-3.

Betting lines aren't about record. They are about the bookie making money. And Cincy is a good team that has been unlucky in close games. Their kicker has lost them 2 games this season. They lost to KC and both Baltimore games by a combined 5 points. They can put up points.

Question is, can the Steelers put up enough points to keep pace?

 

[pistolpete11]

The biggest issue is they want to be a run first ball control offense and they suck at running the ball. They are 3rd from the bottom in YPC and that is with Fields having a 4.6 YPC. take away Fields and they are probably the worst team in the league.


Betting lines aren't about record. They are about the bookie making money. And Cincy is a good team that has been unlucky in close games. Their kicker has lost them 2 games this season. They lost to KC and both Baltimore games by a combined 5 points. They can put up points.

Question is, can the Steelers put up enough points to keep pace?

But they can't stop anybody either. That's why they're 4-7. If the Steelers don't win this game, they are frauds....which is certainly a possibility.