OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[MrBrightside]

 

[Sorry]

Yeah, you know, except for the strip sack that solidified your team losing but I guess that's only one play.

 

[MrBrightside]

Yeah, you know, except for the strip sack that solidified your team losing but I guess that's only one play.

Pretty sure Watt was AFC Defensive Player of the Week.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

i was on an island with him all night, didnt get beat at all.

Watt gets strip sack and afc defensive player of week

Yep, nothing at all.


I think what is hilarious about this is Watt was so gracious in his comments after, and this dude just decided to continue to throw shade.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Watt is like Crosby to me. He is solely focused on himself and being the best he can possibly be. Everything else is noise to him.

 

[Peat]

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I think Najee is running with a chip on his shoulder after being told the team will not exercise the 5th year option.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Ooof

 

[Empoleon8771]

Looking more into Meyers, I've fully come around to him if he could be available. He's a slot guy with nice size and ultra consistent production that also grades out really well in terms of run blocking (at least based on the data I've seen). This data is 2 years old but it says that Meyers ranked out as the 9th best run blocking WR of 69 eligible WRs in 2022:

Why Jakobi Meyers 'Can't Be Guarded': Patriots DBs Dish On Wideout

For the third straight season, Jakobi Meyers is the Patriots' best receiver. How does he do it? Let New England's defensive backs explain.

nesn.com

And Vrabel is on record saying that he thought that Meyers was an elite blocking WR:

Patriots Receivers Are Elite In This One Area, Titans' Mike Vrabel Says

Mike Vrabel has been impressed with the New England Patriots' run blocking this season. And not just from their formidable offensive line.

nesn.com

"Their receivers are probably the best blocking wide receivers in the league," Vrabel said on a conference call with New England reporters ahead of Sunday's Patriots-Titans matchup. "When your leading receiver is your best blocker, that makes for a good combination."

N'Keal Harry has earned plaudits for his blocking prowess in recent weeks, but Vrabel was referring to Jakobi Meyers, who both leads the Patriots in receptions (54 through 11 games) and isn't afraid to throw his slender frame around in the run game.

"Absolutely," Vrabel said. "He goes in there, he's fearless. And Harry's a good blocker as a receiver, but Jakobi Meyers goes in there, and he's going in there with a purpose."

Raiders fans seem to agree with that based on his performance there so far:



His downside is that he's not a fast or explosive player, but he's a prime aged slot receiver that plays a hard nosed and gritty style that seems to fit exactly what Smith wants to run. I think he makes a boatload of sense for this team to be targeting. Good complement to Pickens as the WR2 IMO. I'd honestly even be tempted to trade a 3rd for him because he's also under contract for next year, but a 4th should get it done.

 

[JTG]

Yep, drew aller should return for his senior year at Penn State. He has all the measurables to be a successful NFL quarterback.

Now that these kids are getting paid, I wouldn't be against making it 4 years for all players. I'm for doing anything that forces recruits to places other than 15-20 schools. I want 3 star guys to be like Duquesne level. Make this really fun.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Looking more into Meyers, I've fully come around to him if he could be available. He's a slot guy with nice size and ultra consistent production that also grades out really well in terms of run blocking (at least based on the data I've seen). This data is 2 years old but it says that Meyers ranked out as the 9th best run blocking WR of 69 eligible WRs in 2022:

Why Jakobi Meyers 'Can't Be Guarded': Patriots DBs Dish On Wideout

For the third straight season, Jakobi Meyers is the Patriots' best receiver. How does he do it? Let New England's defensive backs explain.

nesn.com

And Vrabel is on record saying that he thought that Meyers was an elite blocking WR:

Patriots Receivers Are Elite In This One Area, Titans' Mike Vrabel Says

Mike Vrabel has been impressed with the New England Patriots' run blocking this season. And not just from their formidable offensive line.

nesn.com

Raiders fans seem to agree with that based on his performance there so far:



His downside is that he's not a fast or explosive player, but he's a prime aged slot receiver that plays a hard nosed and gritty style that seems to fit exactly what Smith wants to run. I think he makes a boatload of sense for this team to be targeting. Good complement to Pickens as the WR2 IMO. I'd honestly even be tempted to trade a 3rd for him because he's also under contract for next year, but a 4th should get it done.

At this point I think a trade would have already happened. It's Thursday of a bye week.
I feel like they aren't going to make any moves.

 

[JTG]

Fields' struggles are he doesn't have the brain to play the QB at a high level.

And this may be true. What I like about this situation is that he's getting actually mentored by Russ, which is rare. He has a coach that has loved his game since he was in college. He's working with a stable franchise with a good roster. If Fields cannot progress here, he is done in the NFL as a starter. The situation, aside from being thin at WR, is perfect. We will know what we have in him and that will be that because I cannot see him EVER being set up any better.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

At this point I think a trade would have already happened. It's Thursday of a bye week.
I feel like they aren't going to make any moves.

While I basically agree with you.

When a team is on a bye week, per the CBA, I believe there are not allowed to be any team activities until the next Monday. They have to be given four consecutive days off and it has to include Saturday and Sunday. Unless the team plays the next Thursday, then they have to come in on Sunday.

Thus, if they traded for Myers, he'd have to just sit around anyways til Monday.

 

[Peat]

Pauline saying the Steelers' list is Slayton, Sutton, and Williams. Pinch of salt obviously.

edit: Would explain the inactivity as that's two guys they're unlikely to get but might if they're patient and a fallback option.

 

[Andy99]

Pauline saying the Steelers' list is Slayton, Sutton, and Williams. Pinch of salt obviously.

edit: Would explain the inactivity as that's two guys they're unlikely to get but might if they're patient and a fallback option.

Doesn’t seem like they’ll land any of them quite frankly…think Jets will get a better offer for Williams than the Steelers will part with and he’s the most likely…

 

[Empoleon8771]

I understand the appeal of Sutton but I feel like you can get Myers easier than Sutton and Meyers is younger than Sutton. I think the Raiders would be more willing to sell than the Broncos right now and Meyers probably comes in a bit cheaper.

I think you can get Meyers for a 3rd but the Broncos already rejected a 3rd for Sutton from the 49ers.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I understand the appeal of Sutton but I feel like you can get Myers easier than Sutton and Meyers is younger than Sutton. I think the Raiders would be more willing to sell than the Broncos right now and Meyers probably comes in a bit cheaper.

I think you can get Meyers for a 3rd but the Broncos already rejected a 3rd for Sutton from the 49ers.

And why would the Broncos (who are in playoff contention) ship out one of their most productive players? I think you can scratch any potential playoff teams off the list, much like Kupp

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

While I basically agree with you.

When a team is on a bye week, per the CBA, I believe there are not allowed to be any team activities until the next Monday. They have to be given four consecutive days off and it has to include Saturday and Sunday. Unless the team plays the next Thursday, then they have to come in on Sunday.

Thus, if they traded for Myers, he'd have to just sit around anyways til Monday.

Thanks- didn't realize that.
I'm not up to speed on the CBA, but couldn't the Steelers theoretically email a playbook to any new addition to the team since it's not "team based activities"?

 

[Peat]

I understand the appeal of Sutton but I feel like you can get Myers easier than Sutton and Meyers is younger than Sutton. I think the Raiders would be more willing to sell than the Broncos right now and Meyers probably comes in a bit cheaper.

I think you can get Meyers for a 3rd but the Broncos already rejected a 3rd for Sutton from the 49ers.

And why would the Broncos (who are in playoff contention) ship out one of their most productive players? I think you can scratch any potential playoff teams off the list, much like Kupp

I could understand the Broncos selling when they're not going to be doing SFA if they reach the playoffs and mightn't get there with their schedule hardening. Let Nix focus more on the WRs his age. Would take a very handsome offer though I imagine.


Also re the 4 days rest thing - honestly it doesn't seem the worst idea in the world to trade for a guy in that period so he can get himself over in a slightly less rushed fashion.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I could understand the Broncos selling when they're not going to be doing SFA if they reach the playoffs and mightn't get there with their schedule hardening. Let Nix focus more on the WRs his age. Would take a very handsome offer though I imagine.


Also re the 4 days rest thing - honestly it doesn't seem the worst idea in the world to trade for a guy in that period so he can get himself over in a slightly less rushed fashion.

Yeah and this is why I don't see how it makes sense to trade for Sutton over Meyers. The Raiders have already selling with the Adams trade, they've lost 4 in a row and are currently sitting at 2-6. Maybe they just don't want to trade him, but I kinda figure they'd be much more open for business than the Broncos.

 

[DanielPlainview]

And this may be true. What I like about this situation is that he's getting actually mentored by Russ, which is rare. He has a coach that has loved his game since he was in college. He's working with a stable franchise with a good roster. If Fields cannot progress here, he is done in the NFL as a starter. The situation, aside from being thin at WR, is perfect. We will know what we have in him and that will be that because I cannot see him EVER being set up any better.

We can clearly see that he doesn’t have much ability to read the field. He has the physical tools but lacks the cerebral. Going from him to Wilson has made that apparent to just about anyone I think.

 

[JTG]

We can clearly see the the doesn’t have much ability to read the field. He has the physical tools but lacks the cerebral. Going from him to Wilson has made that apparent to just about anyone I think.

Now it's moot. Russ is here and he's playing.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Now it's moot. Russ is here and he's playing.

Well I don't want to jinx it, but we could be seeing JF back in action. Either due to poor play or injury by Russ.

I think it's obvious that Fields doesn't have "it". The Steelers should be moving on from him unless he accepts a cheap backup role. Pretending that JF has some untapped potential is how you maintain mediocrity.

And I say this as someone who appreciates JF the person. He's been nothing but a decent dude about all of this and seems humble. Thank Christ KP8 got himself traded. Dude is a dbag

 

[The Old Master]

We can clearly see that he doesn’t have much ability to read the field. He has the physical tools but lacks the cerebral. Going from him to Wilson has made that apparent to just about anyone I think.

that going from a young inexperienced kid to a veteran should hold true for "most".

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

that going from a young inexperienced kid to a veteran should hold true for "most".

I'm not sure I agree with this.
Fields has been in the league for 4 years, played in 40+ games and has thrown 1,000 passes.

I don't think he's a Kid at all. I've seen players with the same experience be better AND worse. It's a talent thing at this point, not an experience thing.