OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Peat]

Tomlin's saying he's not going to make kneejerk decisions or spend every game trying to fix what went wrong in the last game instead of just trying to make the best possible offence, that's all.

 

[ChaosAgent]

The theory I 100% believe is that Tomlin doesn't want a hotshot OC to challenge him. The only coaching hire Tomlin has made in recent memory that qualifies as "good" is Flores, and everyone knows that Flores owes Tomlin for the job.

Tomlin is threatened by competent assistants.
Regardless of the pie chart of blame between Canada and Trubisky (or Canada and Ben last year), I firmly believe not a single other NFL team would hire Matt Canada based on his track record here and the things Orgeron said about him at LSU.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The theory I 100% believe is that Tomlin doesn't want a hotshot OC to challenge him. The only coaching hire Tomlin has made in recent memory that qualifies as "good" is Flores, and everyone knows that Flores owes Tomlin for the job.

Tomlin is threatened by competent assistants.
Regardless of the pie chart of blame between Canada and Trubisky (or Canada and Ben last year), I firmly believe not a single other NFL team would hire Matt Canada based on his track record here and the things Orgeron said about him at LSU.

Except Flores was interested in Canada while he was in Miami. Why would Tomlin feel threatened he has the most job security as any human

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

The theory I 100% believe is that Tomlin doesn't want a hotshot OC to challenge him. The only coaching hire Tomlin has made in recent memory that qualifies as "good" is Flores, and everyone knows that Flores owes Tomlin for the job.

Tomlin is threatened by competent assistants.
Regardless of the pie chart of blame between Canada and Trubisky (or Canada and Ben last year), I firmly believe not a single other NFL team would hire Matt Canada based on his track record here and the things Orgeron said about him at LSU.

To be honest this sounds like a thing that Tomlin-haters are projects by into the situation.

 

[Andy99]

Mike Tomlin said he's open to any changes that help the team win but, "at the same time, we're not going to blow in the wind." I would like one time for a Reporter to ask him, WTfF are you talking about

Sure, he’s open to any change…he just won’t make that change lol

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Updated NFL Power Rankings: 1-32 poll, plus progress reports on every QB

A big shuffle in the top five and an undefeated team ranks No. 1. See the full list, plus a progress report on every QB here.

www.espn.com

Noticed today the Steelers have the top three teams in the ESPN power rankings coming up in the next 5 games... oh and Brady to.

If they go 0-5 or 4-1, I won't be shocked either way, because that's how Tomlin rolls.

Feel like Tomlin is catching a break with a rusty Wilson back this week over Flacco.

 

[ChaosAgent]

To be honest this sounds like a thing that Tomlin-haters are projects by into the situation.

I'm not a huge Tomlin hater.

He just prefers to keep his assistants non-threatening. A woefully underqualified OC, the second in a row, seems the pattern.

Except Flores was interested in Canada while he was in Miami. Why would Tomlin feel threatened he has the most job security as any human

Are you willing to make another wager on Matt Canada's next job? Whether he will get an NFL Coordinator or any top 25 college school, or if he'll go back to QB coach or a mid-tier college?

 

[JTG]

Even if the Steelers get a top 5 pick, I'm not sure this draft sets up that well for them. It's going to be QB heavy, so I guess they may be able to get a ransom for the pick if a team wants to move up.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Truth, Trai.

 

[Son Goku]

so who do the steelers pick #1 OV?

 

[Night Shift]

I dont fault Tomlin for not putting Pickett in right now. This is about as nice as I will say about Tomlin-I can admire the decision to use Trubisky as fodder to protect Pickett. There are a lot of "great" coaches that will do that. I get the age thing and all and people take too much stock into Picketts age, look at Aaron Rodgers. Got a late start sitting behind Favre.

Tomlin is just bad at everything else when it comes to most things or responsiblties of an NFL coach. Whether it's hiring a staff, creating gameplans, schemes and throwing rookies under the bus in the media. Even the press conferences are cringe anymore. I understand the Rooney philosophy.... but Tomlin is not the kind of coach you want to keep for over 5 years.

 

[Night Shift]

The theory I 100% believe is that Tomlin doesn't want a hotshot OC to challenge him. The only coaching hire Tomlin has made in recent memory that qualifies as "good" is Flores, and everyone knows that Flores owes Tomlin for the job.

Tomlin is threatened by competent assistants.
Regardless of the pie chart of blame between Canada and Trubisky (or Canada and Ben last year), I firmly believe not a single other NFL team would hire Matt Canada based on his track record here and the things Orgeron said about him at LSU.

If IIRC Tomlin ran the Tampa 2 scheme "in his 1 year" in Minnesota as D coordinator. He brought that scheme there from when he was a DB coach in Tampa with Monte Kiffen.

When Tomlin was first hired, I thought (expected) we'd make the change from the 3-4 to the Tampa 2 after Lebeau was retired. That was supposed to be his imprint on this team. Except we never saw anything of that nature or even an attempt to hire a defensive coordinator to run that scheme.

Perhaps he got away from what made him successfull and regarded around the league in 07 in the first place, which is the Tampa 2 scheme.

This was where he lost me too (not trying to put his philosophy on this team). Now he looks like a lost puppet waiting for miracles.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I dont fault Tomlin for not putting Pickett in right now. This is about as nice as I will say about Tomlin-I can admire the decision to use Trubisky as fodder to protect Pickett. There are a lot of "great" coaches that will do that. I get the age thing and all and people take too much stock into Picketts age, look at Aaron Rodgers. Got a late start sitting behind Favre.

Tomlin is just bad at everything else when it comes to most things or responsiblties of an NFL coach. Whether it's hiring a staff, creating gameplans, schemes and throwing rookies under the bus in the media. Even the press conferences are cringe anymore. I understand the Rooney philosophy.... but Tomlin is not the kind of coach you want to keep for over 5 years.

The thing is, what is he protecting KP from?

Tomlin is essentially protecting KP from his own incompetence because he kept/is keeping Canada around.

Many of us didn’t want KP to play because we felt the line would get him killed, but the line has done quite well pass blocking.

So while I generally give Tomlin his just dues, this mess is squarely on his shoulders (keeping Canada around/predetermined MT was the starter).

 

[Night Shift]

Updated NFL Power Rankings: 1-32 poll, plus progress reports on every QB

A big shuffle in the top five and an undefeated team ranks No. 1. See the full list, plus a progress report on every QB here.

www.espn.com

Noticed today the Steelers have the top three teams in the ESPN power rankings coming up in the next 5 games... oh and Brady to.

Brady isn't himself right now and maybe because it's all the injuries on offense, it's been very Penguinish for the Bucs with the injuries the past couple years.

The Bucs D and the head coaching matchup is why the Steelers will likely go down.

 

[JTG]

There is a reason Canada only lasts 1 season everywhere he goes.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

And if Tomlin did switch away from the 3-4 to the 4-3 Tampa 2 defense and the team did bad then you would just rail on him

If IIRC Tomlin ran the Tampa 2 scheme "in his 1 year" in Minnesota as D coordinator. He brought that scheme there from when he was a DB coach in Tampa with Monte Kiffen.

When Tomlin was first hired, I thought (expected) we'd make the change from the 3-4 to the Tampa 2 after Lebeau was retired. That was supposed to be his imprint on this team. Except we never saw anything of that nature or even an attempt to hire a defensive coordinator to run that scheme.

Perhaps he got away from what made him successfull and regarded around the league in 07 in the first place, which is the Tampa 2 scheme.

This was where he lost me too (not trying to put his philosophy on this team). Now he looks like a lost puppet waiting for miracles.

Do you feel the Tampa 2 is a better defense than the 3-4 the Steelers run today?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Truth, Trai.

Except that’s not MT strength only 1 season in Chicago did he have more than 50 rushing attempts DJ lowest rushing attempts is 50.

 

[Night Shift]

And if Tomlin did switch away from the 3-4 to the 4-3 Tampa 2 defense and the team did bad then you would just rail on him


Do you feel the Tampa 2 is a better defense than the 3-4 the Steelers run today?

First of all -They have to draft and develop the right personell to run that scheme.

He deserves to be railed because he's had since 07 to do that and he chose to be a lazy ****

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The thing is, what is he protecting KP from?

Tomlin is essentially protecting KP from his own incompetence because he kept/is keeping Canada around.

Many of us didn’t want KP to play because we felt the line would get him killed, but the line has done quite well pass blocking.

So while I generally give Tomlin his just dues, this mess is squarely on his shoulders (keeping Canada around/predetermined MT was the starter).

Except Canada recruited KP to play in his offense so if there’s one reason not to worry about KP is Canada offense. Canada offense does have open Wr and the one year KP had under whipple in a pro system learning to throw with anticipation and throw guys open is more pro coaching than Mitch had.
I honestly think he guaranteed Mitch would get September no matter what the players knew he was given the job in camp. However Tomlin isn’t stupid he is stubborn sure. I think he as seen enough improvement from the o line and Wr group that another terrible start from Mt and KP comes in. The worst thing would be MT ball out against the jets and allow Tomlin stubbornness to give MT to the bye

First of all -They have to draft and develop the right personell to run that scheme.

He deserves to be railed because he's had since 07 to do that and he chose to be a lazy ****

They don’t run base anymore against Cincinnati they were in 3-4 3 snaps. They ran more base against Cleveland but they have been transitioning to big nickel or 3 safety defense like Buffalo for 3 seasons

 

[Goalie_Bob]

First of all -They have to draft and develop the right personell to run that scheme.

He deserves to be railed because he's had since 07 to do that and he chose to be a lazy ****

Or maybe after being around and coaching the Tampa 2 scheme and the 3-4 scheme, he thinks the 3-4 scheme is better.......?

 

[Night Shift]

Or maybe after being around and coaching the Tampa 2 scheme and the 3-4 scheme, he thinks the 3-4 scheme is better.......?

But was the 3-4 what made him successful before 07? Maybe we should hire 80 y/o Lebeau to be the HC then.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Except Canada recruited KP to play in his offense so if there’s one reason not to worry about KP is Canada offense. Canada offense does have open Wr and the one year KP had under whipple in a pro system learning to throw with anticipation and throw guys open is more pro coaching than Mitch had.
I honestly think he guaranteed Mitch would get September no matter what the players knew he was given the job in camp. However Tomlin isn’t stupid he is stubborn sure. I think he as seen enough improvement from the o line and Wr group that another terrible start from Mt and KP comes in. The worst thing would be MT ball out against the jets and allow Tomlin stubbornness to give MT to the bye


They don’t run base anymore against Cincinnati they were in 3-4 3 snaps. They ran more base against Cleveland but they have been transitioning to big nickel or 3 safety defense like Buffalo for 3 seasons

Canada recruiting KP doesn’t mean much when Canada struggles to call plays at the NFL level.

Play calling is a form of chess and Canada still isn’t sure how to move his pieces, let alone be a grandmaster.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Canada recruiting KP doesn’t mean much when Canada struggles to call plays at the NFL level.

Play calling is a form of chess and Canada still isn’t sure how to move his pieces, let alone be a grandmaster.

For a guy who doesn’t know how to move chess pieces there is a ton of open pieces on the all 22 board.
In the nfl even the best OC are limited by Qb play. There’s a reason the rams went from Goff to Stafford and the great Shanahan has a losing record without Jimmy G. Minnesota has Justin Jefferson and is held back bye Cousins.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

For a guy who doesn’t know how to move chess pieces there is a ton of open pieces on the all 22 board.
In the nfl even the best OC are limited by Qb play. There’s a reason the rams went from Goff to Stafford and the great Shanahan has a losing record without Jimmy G. Minnesota has Justin Jefferson and is held back bye Cousins.

I was told Canada’s RPO offense was perfect for the mobile MT… curious.

Why is it the offense could move well when Roth called the plays with the same personnel?

Why does it move well this season when they go hurry up?

Maybe has to do with why Orgeron said hiring Canada was a mistake.

MT as I have kept emphasizing, isn’t more than avg, but he’s won in this league many times and gotten his teams to the playoffs.

So he isn’t Kent Graham bad, but the Canada offense will do that to a QB.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I was told Canada’s RPO offense was perfect for the mobile MT… curious.

Why is it the offense could move well when Roth called the plays with the same personnel?

Why does it move well this season when they go hurry up?

Maybe has to do with why Orgeron said hiring Canada was a mistake.

MT as I have kept emphasizing, isn’t more than avg, but he’s won in this league many times and gotten his teams to the playoffs.

So he isn’t Kent Graham bad, but the Canada offense will do that to a QB.

MT is a career backup who doesn’t go through progressions who doesn’t run even though he has mobility and doesn’t have the arm strength to throw the ball down field. He is a Teddy Bridewater Alex Smith type of Qb. He won with an elite defense in Chicago where he only would have to throw it 3000 yards and 2 1 td interception ratio. That’s exactly what he is doing here. His career averages are 200 a game 1 td the cowboys are getting better play from Rush. He has completed 5 throws off 20 yards or more down field and it took DJ and GP making amazing catches to get them.in Chicago he competed 64 percent of his passes and on passes 9 yard and under he had a 114 Qbr in his pro bowl season.
Why does he move so well in no huddle that was answered by Warner film break down he doesn’t have to think in no huddle he doesn’t have to process anything pre snap. He just get the snap and let’s it go. He doesn’t play with in the pocket Fitzpatrick said it best on Thursday MT is playing like a guy scared to lose his job not a guy who knows if I do not ball out I am losing this job soon. Or has RG3 put it he has bad memories from Chicago and if your going to treat him like a rookie play the rookie