OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Empoleon8771]

The Canada news sucks but it’s no surprise. The writing was on the wall after they improved from the worst offense in the league to a below average offense. It may just be players being nice in public, but it does seem like Canada has more support from them than I expected.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they brought in someone like Leftwich as an offensive assistant and eventual Canada replacement though.

May be semantics, but I think their offense was pretty much smack dab average after the bye week. After the bye week, the Steelers averaged about 21 points a game (188 points in 9 games) and 350 yards per game (3092 yards in 9 games). That would have had them 19th in points for and 14th in total yards over a full season.

There are very obvious areas that need improvement on the offense, but the performance in the second half of the year should give some optimism for the offense next year. Especially with how good they looked against the Browns in week 18.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Not surprising, just disappointing.

 

[MrBrightside]

May be semantics, but I think their offense was pretty much smack dab average after the bye week. After the bye week, the Steelers averaged about 21 points a game (188 points in 9 games) and 350 yards per game (3092 yards in 9 games). That would have had them 19th in points for and 14th in total yards over a full season.

There are very obvious areas that need improvement on the offense, but the performance in the second half of the year should give some optimism for the offense next year. Especially with how good they looked against the Browns in week 18.

No poster is better at talking himself into really shitty decisions by Pittsburgh sports teams than this guy.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Sources: Matt Canada expected to return as Steelers offensive coordinator Knew he wasn't going anywhere

This is my shocked face…

 

[Peat]

Speaking of coaches, who's the WR coach and how long have they been here? I guess I can answer my own question, but I feel if I look at any one position on this team and see guys regressing badly the longer they're here, it's that position.

*peeks* Frisman Jackson, brand new at start of last season. I know it's pretty rough to judge WRs in this environment but even so, did not like his work.



Anyway the offence's improvement should have been too little too late, but here's hoping we're all wrong about who Canada is.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Sources: Matt Canada expected to return as Steelers offensive coordinator Knew he wasn't going anywhere

I called this months ago. They don't "fire" coaches and Canada has 1 more year on his contract

 

[xlm34]

May be semantics, but I think their offense was pretty much smack dab average after the bye week. After the bye week, the Steelers averaged about 21 points a game (188 points in 9 games) and 350 yards per game (3092 yards in 9 games). That would have had them 19th in points for and 14th in total yards over a full season.

There are very obvious areas that need improvement on the offense, but the performance in the second half of the year should give some optimism for the offense next year. Especially with how good they looked against the Browns in week 18.

I’m optimistic they won’t be terrible from the jump, and I do still expect them to be a playoff team next year. But I have very little hope of them improving to the point where they’ll be able to win a shootout with teams like the Chiefs and Bills. And that’s something they’re going to have to do at some point.

I do hope I’m totally wrong about Canada.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

May be semantics, but I think their offense was pretty much smack dab average after the bye week. After the bye week, the Steelers averaged about 21 points a game (188 points in 9 games) and 350 yards per game (3092 yards in 9 games). That would have had them 19th in points for and 14th in total yards over a full season.

There are very obvious areas that need improvement on the offense, but the performance in the second half of the year should give some optimism for the offense next year. Especially with how good they looked against the Browns in week 18.

Quality of competition, my friend. Look at the records of the teams in the first half of schedule vs second half.

 

[Josey Wales]

I called this months ago. They don't "fire" coaches and Canada has 1 more year on his contract

he wasn't going anywhere because Tomlin does not want a Good/Powerful OC

 

[Peat]

I’m optimistic they won’t be terrible from the jump, and I do still expect them to be a playoff team next year. But I have very little hope of them improving to the point where they’ll be able to win a shootout with teams like the Chiefs and Bills. And that’s something they’re going to have to do at some point.

I do hope I’m totally wrong about Canada.

Tangential but my biggest problem with Tomlin is I get the sense that he believes he doesn't have to make a team that can do that, that he can make a team that can keep those teams in check defensively which is one hell of a contrarian belief right now.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

he wasn't going anywhere because Tomlin does not want a Good/Powerful OC

Good quality powerful OC don’t take lateral moves

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Good quality powerful OC don’t take lateral moves

And Tomlin hasn't developed one either.
What are we, on year 16 of not 1 young and upcoming coach developed under Tomlin? Forget OC, any position coach will do....

Unprecedented

 

[MrBrightside]

Good quality powerful OC don’t take lateral moves

There are good OC's out there right now who are not employed at all. Reich, Hackett, Kingsbury, etc. - maybe none would want the job but the Steelers don't even try. Tomlin's job searches tend to be limited to those who are in the same building as he is - and I'm no Tomlin basher. But this is his biggest blindspot/weakness.

 

[MrBrightside]

And Tomlin hasn't developed one either.
What are we, on year 16 of not 1 young and upcoming coach developed under Tomlin? Forget OC, any position coach will do....

Unprecedented

Whisenhunt is basically it.

 

[Joejosh999]

What a shame for a young offensive group w decent potential to improve and grow together. “Here’s your HS scheme. Hope those NFL defenses don’t figure it out.”
ARGH.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

There are good OC's out there right now who are not employed at all. Reich, Hackett, Kingsbury, etc. - maybe none would want the job but the Steelers don't even try. Tomlin's job searches tend to be limited to those who are in the same building as he is - and I'm no Tomlin basher. But this is his biggest blindspot/weakness.

Kingsbury isn’t even in the country he got 4year deal last year no way he is coaching anywhere next year
Hacket didn’t even calls plays in Greenbay and his system destroyed Willson this year in Denver. Reich offense was worst than ours in Indy

What a shame for a young offensive group w decent potential to improve and grow together. “Here’s your HS scheme. Hope those NFL defenses don’t figure it out.”
ARGH.

The players wanted him back. Its a basic west coast offense with college concepts

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Whisenhunt is basically it.

Whisenhunt left before Tomlin.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Whisenhunt is basically it.

Cowher hired him and he went to the Cards before Tomlin was hired.

 

[MrBrightside]

Yeah you're right. My bad. So there are zero examples.

Kingsbury isn’t even in the country he got 4year deal last year no way he is coaching anywhere next year
Hacket didn’t even calls plays in Greenbay and his system destroyed Willson this year in Denver. Reich offense was worst than ours in Indy


The players wanted him back. Its a basic west coast offense with college concepts

Reich won a Super Bowl as an offensive coordinator despite having Nick Foles as his QB. Hackett was the OC of the highest scoring team in the NFL. Now give me Canada's resume. I'll wait.

You don't know that the players wanted him back, but even if they did, so what? Your kids want to eat ice cream for dinner - sometimes adults have to make the decisions.

It really is ok to have nuanced takes about Tomlin. Not EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM has to be AWESOME.

 

[Joejosh999]

Kingsbury isn’t even in the country he got 4year deal last year no way he is coaching anywhere next year
Hacket didn’t even calls plays in Greenbay and his system destroyed Willson this year in Denver. Reich offense was worst than ours in Indy


The players wanted him back. Its a basic west coast offense with college concepts

I did not think the players wanted him back at all. Do you have a source?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Kenny Pickett Is 'Excited To Continue To Work With' Matt Canada To Make Jump In 2023

After initially struggling at 2-6 and with rookie quarterback Kenny Pickett struggling with moving the ball and turnovers, the Steelers’ season looked bleak. However, they turned things around in the second half of the season, with Pickett becoming more comfortable and limiting turnovers while...

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[MrBrightside]

Kenny Pickett Is 'Excited To Continue To Work With' Matt Canada To Make Jump In 2023

After initially struggling at 2-6 and with rookie quarterback Kenny Pickett struggling with moving the ball and turnovers, the Steelers’ season looked bleak. However, they turned things around in the second half of the season, with Pickett becoming more comfortable and limiting turnovers while...

steelersdepot.com

Steelers players not holding back on criticizing Canada's scheme

The Steelers — specifically the team’s players — do not seem happy with the scheme and play calling orchestrated by offensive coordinator Matt Canada. Just listen to them.

www.audacy.com

 

[Peat]

Steelers players not holding back on criticizing Canada's scheme

The Steelers — specifically the team’s players — do not seem happy with the scheme and play calling orchestrated by offensive coordinator Matt Canada. Just listen to them.

www.audacy.com

That's from September tho. Nobody's saying stuff like that now.

Either Canada's second half of the season legit won over the players, or they've seen it winning over Tomlin to the point they know the writing is on the wall and they should play nice in public. Tbh I don't see a huge amount of reason to doubt it's at least part the former, particularly for guys graded primarily on the run game.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Steelers players not holding back on criticizing Canada's scheme

The Steelers — specifically the team’s players — do not seem happy with the scheme and play calling orchestrated by offensive coordinator Matt Canada. Just listen to them.

www.audacy.com

Yeah they weren’t happy at the beginning of the season and also couldn’t function at a high school offense.
MT wanted them to call plays to attack the middle of the field and against bmore he threw multiple picks
KP said his biggest adjustment was play action since he didn’t use in college. They want to get better using rpo and he is getting better with reads and understanding nfl open. Next year is all on the players executing better

 

[MrBrightside]

That's from September tho. Nobody's saying stuff like that now.

Either Canada's second half of the season legit won over the players, or they've seen it winning over Tomlin to the point they know the writing is on the wall and they should play nice in public. Tbh I don't see a huge amount of reason to doubt it's at least part the former, particularly for guys graded primarily on the run game.

Respectfully, the idea that anyone would cite to the starting QB offering public praise of the sitting OC of a team in response to a media question as evidence of anything is silliness. Of course Pickett is going to support him in public. Do you really think the scheme changed since early in the season? Or did they start playing NFC South defenses instead of playing Buffalo and Philadelphia and New England?