OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Jaded-Fan]

This may be their only chance to have a high pick, and three top 40 picks, in the next several years.

I don’t think they are far off from being legit again if they nail the draft in the spring.

A lot of that will depend on KP though.

If he flops and they blow the 2023 class, I guess it won’t matter much because that will mean an extended rebuild.

I don't think that KP will flop. He will not be a franchise QB in my book but decent. The kind that will not be able to take a team on his back and drag them to wins but who can succeed guiding a well built team with supporting talent around him.

That is what I think is going to take some time. From overall talent to coaching this team needs to make some major changes before they will be good enough to complement KP. And that is even assuming that he develops as I think that he will. Until then will it be KP flopping or simply the team around him making him look much worse than he is? Chicken and egg question.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I don't think that KP will flop. He will not be a franchise QB in my book but decent. The kind that will not be able to take a team on his back and drag them to wins but who can succeed guiding a well built team with supporting talent around him.

That is what I think is going to take some time. From overall talent to coaching this team needs to make some major changes before they will be good enough to complement KP. And that is even assuming that he develops as I think that he will. Until then will it be KP flopping or simply the team around him making him look much worse than he is? Chicken and egg question.

Feel like the best way to build a team nowadays is to have a competent QB and surround him with talent. Mostly because it's hard to get that franchise guy.
Think broken down Manning and even Stafford last year. Those QB's weren't exceptional, but they were able to get their hands to playmakers to let them do their thing. Didn't hurt to have an all-world defense on the other side.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I don't think that KP will flop. He will not be a franchise QB in my book but decent. The kind that will not be able to take a team on his back and drag them to wins but who can succeed guiding a well built team with supporting talent around him.

That is what I think is going to take some time. From overall talent to coaching this team needs to make some major changes before they will be good enough to complement KP. And that is even assuming that he develops as I think that he will. Until then will it be KP flopping or simply the team around him making him look much worse than he is? Chicken and egg question.

I don’t think KP will flop, as he was the only guy I really wanted in this draft. However, I like watching the Roth mouth breathers and some other drama rama posters lose their shit that he’s not an all-pro yet.

So I don’t mind fueling negativity about KP in here.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

2012 was the last time they used a first or second round pick on an o-lineman (Decastro & Adams)

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Feel like the best way to build a team nowadays is to have a competent QB and surround him with talent. Mostly because it's hard to get that franchise guy.
Think broken down Manning and even Stafford last year. Those QB's weren't exceptional, but they were able to get their hands to playmakers to let them do their thing. Didn't hurt to have an all-world defense on the other side.

You have to build a team no matter who is quarterback. But if you have a chance at a franchise one you take it ten out of ten times.

You can win with a merely decent quarterback. Your margin for error becomes much smaller with a franchise quarterback.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

You have to build a team no matter who is quarterback. But if you have a chance at a franchise one you take it ten out of ten times.

You can win with a merely decent quarterback. Your margin for error becomes much smaller with a franchise quarterback.

We agree here. That was my caveat: it's really hard to get that true franchise guy. They don't come along every year in the draft, but sometimes there are 3 of them in 1 draft

 

[JTG]

Ya it’s fun to speculate, but no matter what they do, next years draft will be critical about determining where this org is going.

If they whiff, it’s going to be a major setback.

If they whiff, it's the 1980's/early 90's.

And just like the early 90's, it's time to move out the old guard and bring in a fresh voice and vision.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If Ben wasn't doing the work as people have alleged, then yea.
As I'm found of saying to my managers who have a hard time, well managing "the behavior you tolerate is the behavior you'll get"

Well he was the unquestioned leader of the locker room and Colbert handed him 2/68 million after the Jacksonville playoff loss. I do wonder what they could have gotten in trade and then Tomlin could have draft Lamar or Hurts instead of Claypool or edmunds

 

[JTG]

Steelers up to picking 3, 33, 39.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

It would be 34 no? Miami forfeited it's pick thus 32-1 = 31, then 31+3 = 34.

That being said, Steelers will not be picking 3rd. I just can't see it. If Watt and Kazee stay healthy and Pickett and the O take a small step forward along with the teams they play down the stretch, I can easily see them going 4-5 in the final 9. And if they get some breaks I can see it being 6-3.

I want to see the Steelers win as a fan on gameday, but it would be a blast of an offseason to pick top 3. That would put them in drivers seat to really make some noise in the draft.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

If they whiff, it's the 1980's/early 90's.

And just like the early 90's, it's time to move out the old guard and bring in a fresh voice and vision.

It’s pretty sad that Noll in the post Bradshaw 80s, a dark time that we all point to as such a low point in Steelers history, had only one less playoff win than Tomlin has the last dozen years.

Even those god awful shitty Steelers teams back then never went more than 4 seasons without a playoff win.

This will be year six of no playoff wins for Tomlin.

I honestly think people will look back on the Tomlin Purgatory years (2011- ?) as even a darker time than the 80s, given how talented Tomlin’s teams were.

 

[JTG]

It would be 34 no? Miami forfeited it's pick thus 32-1 = 31, then 31+3 = 34.

That being said, Steelers will not be picking 3rd. I just can't see it. If Watt and Kazee stay healthy and Pickett and the O take a small step forward along with the teams they play down the stretch, I can easily see them going 4-5 in the final 9. And if they get some breaks I can see it being 6-3.

I want to see the Steelers win as a fan on gameday, but it would be a blast of an offseason to pick top 3. That would put them in drivers seat to really make some noise in the draft.

The need a draft like that. They have done a good job finding cornerstones in the back half of the draft, but sometimes to really get things rolling, you have to pick high. It would be a huge get to land a guy like Carter or Anderson on the defensive side, or even drop back in the draft and collect more assets. If we have a top 3 pick there will be no shortage of teams wanting to move up because there are 3 QBs.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

I know qb stats are inflated in modern football, but I think saying Stafford wasn't exceptional last year when he threw for nearly 5,000 yards with 41 td's and a qb rating a bit over 102 is taking it a bit far.

It helped to have Kupp at his disposal, but it also isn't a coincidence Stafford was the qb behind 2 of the greatest receiving seasons in history.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

 

[Night Shift]

He was almost a cool cat

 

[Night Shift]

Beating the Saints will help the Bucs at least.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

Jfc Kenny.

 

[Andy99]

Very disappointed in Pickitt’s accuracy down the field, particularly in the middle of the field…and another 2 yard run for Harris on first down…just why

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

Horrible series.

 

[Andy99]

Horrible series.

Pre determined third down pass that was covered…stupid

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

Pre determined third down pass that was covered…stupid

The play that stood out to me was the 2nd and 7 rollout pass.

The Saints contained the edge, which left a giant space for Kenny to step up in the pocket and create more time but he scrambled into the contain and threw it away.

That is the kind of thing that gets fixed by coaching, like KC did with Mahomes.

 

[Night Shift]

That is the kind of thing that gets fixed by coaching, like KC did with Mahomes.

What's coaching? Whats it like?

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Steelers running game is so bad that people are cheering for a 7 yard run by Harris

That’s the kind of runs he needs to make, though. Just put your shoulder down and run it.

 

[Andy99]

I feel bad for Pickett having such shitty coaching but he’s not as accurate as he needs to be or as quick on his reads as I was expecting from the preseason