OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[Empoleon8771]

The mistake with drafting Pickett was that they drafted him under the assumption that they were close to contending and Trubisky could hold the fort until Pickett was ready. This team is showing that they have many substantial issues on the roster and are far away from being a legitimate playoff team.

If you want to point out a flaw in the Pickett pick, it should be that they went after a NFL ready QB when they had a ton of holes and a bad roster.

Maybe he just isn’t as good as everyone thought he was. Do I think he’s in the best position? Not at all, Canada and Tomlin are buffoons who should be on the first bus out of Pittsburgh tomorrow. But he also hasn’t shown that he’a really anything other then average or below

He's a damn rookie, what are you expecting out of a rookie QB?

Anyone expecting above average QB play from a rookie is delusional. It is incredibly rare to get a great QB performance out of a rookie in the NFL.

 

[xlm34]

This is the first time a lot of people have seen a truly bad Steelers team. It is what it is. Roll with Pickett and let him work things out. Better for him to do it now then when you’re actually trying to be competitive.

Canada has to go in the offseason. I would like to see him gone right now, but I don’t see any long term options available. Replacing him with Mike Sullivan is just replacing shit with shit. Do a legitimate search this offseason.

The mistake with drafting Pickett was that they drafted him under the assumption that they were close to contending and Trubisky could hold the fort until Pickett was ready. This team is showing that they have many substantial issues on the roster and are far away from being a legitimate playoff team.

If you want to point out a flaw in the Pickett pick, it should be that they went after a NFL ready QB when they had a ton of holes and a bad roster.



He's a damn rookie, what are you expecting out of a rookie QB?

Anyone expecting above average QB play from a rookie is delusional. It is incredibly rare to get a great QB performance out of a rookie in the NFL.

They’re a couple years out from being a legit contender but they can be a playoff team with a good offseason.

There aren’t a lot of good teams in the NFL right now. We’ve been blown out by the ones that are legit though.

 

[CallArnoldSlick]

The Steelers are through the "gauntlet" portion of their schedule that we've known all along would be a struggle. Regroup during the bye week and prepare to develop your rookie QB over the rest of the season.

This season is what it is -- a rebuilding year.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Saying Pickett is a bust after 4 games is dumb but holy f*** comparing him to Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw needs to stop.

None of those guys played their rookie season in an era of football that totally caters to passing offense. Yes, everything around Pickett sucks, but comparing him to 3 hall of famers as rookies needs to stop.

If legendary QBs struggled as rookies, why wouldn’t any other rookie QBs?

It just happened with Allen.

Rookie QBs struggle. The great ones. The good ones. The ones who become journeymen.

It’s simple logic.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I mean he does have to perform. It’s not a perfect situation by any means, but he isn’t playing well either

Yeah he isn’t even doing 2019 mason numbers.

The mistake with drafting Pickett was that they drafted him under the assumption that they were close to contending and Trubisky could hold the fort until Pickett was ready. This team is showing that they have many substantial issues on the roster and are far away from being a legitimate playoff team.

If you want to point out a flaw in the Pickett pick, it should be that they went after a NFL ready QB when they had a ton of holes and a bad roster.



He's a damn rookie, what are you expecting out of a rookie QB?

Anyone expecting above average QB play from a rookie is delusional. It is incredibly rare to get a great QB performance out of a rookie in the NFL.

I will settle for average

 

[TNT87]

At least we don't have to watch this shitshow next Sunday.

 

[TimmyD]

The mistake with drafting Pickett was that they drafted him under the assumption that they were close to contending and Trubisky could hold the fort until Pickett was ready. This team is showing that they have many substantial issues on the roster and are far away from being a legitimate playoff team.

If you want to point out a flaw in the Pickett pick, it should be that they went after a NFL ready QB when they had a ton of holes and a bad roster.



He's a damn rookie, what are you expecting out of a rookie QB?

Anyone expecting above average QB play from a rookie is delusional. It is incredibly rare to get a great QB performance out of a rookie in the NFL.

I’m expecting him to throw more than 0 touchdowns in the second half of games… sorry if those are completely unrealistic expectations.

 

[Smoke]

This is the first time a lot of people have seen a truly bad Steelers team. It is what it is. Roll with Pickett and let him work things out. Better for him to do it now then when you’re actually trying to be competitive.

Canada has to go in the offseason. I would like to see him gone right now, but I don’t see any long term options available. Replacing him with Mike Sullivan is just replacing shit with shit. Do a legitimate search this offseason.

This sounds awesome until you think about the person who will be the one tasked to find a competent replacement.

 

[TimmyD]

The mistake with drafting Pickett was that they drafted him under the assumption that they were close to contending and Trubisky could hold the fort until Pickett was ready. This team is showing that they have many substantial issues on the roster and are far away from being a legitimate playoff team.

If you want to point out a flaw in the Pickett pick, it should be that they went after a NFL ready QB when they had a ton of holes and a bad roster.



He's a damn rookie, what are you expecting out of a rookie QB?

Anyone expecting above average QB play from a rookie is delusional. It is incredibly rare to get a great QB performance out of a rookie in the NFL.

I’m expecting more than 0 touchdowns in the second half of games that he has started. Sorry if those expectations are totally unreasonable.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

If legendary QBs struggled as rookies, why wouldn’t any other rookie QBs?

It just happened with Allen.

Rookie QBs struggle. The great ones. The good ones. The ones who become journeymen.

It’s simple logic.

I'm not saying Kenny shouldn't struggle, I'm saying it is an insane comparison to make.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The only argument for staying with Canada at this point, is trying to guarantee as much of a shot at a top 5 draft pick.

It surely isn't because the offense is one day going to magically click and work all of a sudden.

That won’t be the logic they use, it will be because they “don’t fire guys mid-season”.

I’ve lost count how many times this offense has failed to score even 20 points under Canada.

He’s been the one constant through the last 26 games.

Totally bizarre how this org just allows ineptness to confuse without consequences.

 

[Power Surge]

The mistake with drafting Pickett was that they drafted him under the assumption that they were close to contending and Trubisky could hold the fort until Pickett was ready. This team is showing that they have many substantial issues on the roster and are far away from being a legitimate playoff team.

If you want to point out a flaw in the Pickett pick, it should be that they went after a NFL ready QB when they had a ton of holes and a bad roster.

No, QB is the most position to draft and even the great ones who were drafted #1 had holes on their roster. They had to work through it year 1 and their teams built around them in later drafts.

But if they do commit to Pickett, their next order of business in the next draft is OL. LT in particular.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Here is how the first year QBs performed last year compared to Pickett this year:

Pickett (before today): 1-2 record, 2-7 TD-INT ratio, 192.8 YPG, 40.8 QBR

Lawrence: 3-14 record, 12-17 TD-INT ratio, 214.2 yards per game, 33.5 QBR
Wilson: 3-10 record, 9-11 TD-INT ratio, 179.5 yards per game, 28.2 QBR
Fields: 2-8 record, 7-10 TD-INT ratio, 155.8 yards per game, 26.4 QBR
Jones: 10-7 record, 22-13 TD-INT ratio, 223.6 yards per game, 50.9 QBR
Mills: 2-9 record, 16-10 TD-INT ratio, 204.9 yards per game, 35.5 QBR

Just because Herbert went insane a few years ago as a rookie doesn't mean that occurs often.

I don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Pickett's upside is average while also saying it's a problem that he's not average or better right now.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I'm not saying Kenny shouldn't struggle, I'm saying it is an insane comparison to make.

It’s not a comparison - you keep making that assumption.

It’s simply pointing out the facts that every type of rookie QBs typically struggle. If a majority of legendary QBs struggled their rookie seasons, why would anyone be stupid enough to expect regular ass rookie QBs to figure it out quickly?

It’s illlgical.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Well. I can say i watched that game

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Here is how the first year QBs performed last year compared to Pickett this year:

Pickett (before today): 1-2 record, 2-7 TD-INT ratio, 192.8 YPG, 40.8 QBR

Lawrence: 3-14 record, 12-17 TD-INT ratio, 214.2 yards per game, 33.5 QBR
Wilson: 3-10 record, 9-11 TD-INT ratio, 179.5 yards per game, 28.2 QBR
Fields: 2-8 record, 7-10 TD-INT ratio, 155.8 yards per game, 26.4 QBR
Jones: 10-7 record, 22-13 TD-INT ratio, 223.6 yards per game, 50.9 QBR
Mills: 2-9 record, 16-10 TD-INT ratio, 204.9 yards per game, 35.5 QBR

Just because Herbert went insane a few years ago as a rookie doesn't mean that occurs often.

I don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Pickett's upside is average while also saying it's a problem that he's not average or better right now.

And if he was putting up Jones or mills numbers people would be ok. If he was showing signs of improvement fine. He is so lost it’s sad

Here is how the first year QBs performed last year compared to Pickett this year:

Pickett (before today): 1-2 record, 2-7 TD-INT ratio, 192.8 YPG, 40.8 QBR

Lawrence: 3-14 record, 12-17 TD-INT ratio, 214.2 yards per game, 33.5 QBR
Wilson: 3-10 record, 9-11 TD-INT ratio, 179.5 yards per game, 28.2 QBR
Fields: 2-8 record, 7-10 TD-INT ratio, 155.8 yards per game, 26.4 QBR
Jones: 10-7 record, 22-13 TD-INT ratio, 223.6 yards per game, 50.9 QBR
Mills: 2-9 record, 16-10 TD-INT ratio, 204.9 yards per game, 35.5 QBR

Just because Herbert went insane a few years ago as a rookie doesn't mean that occurs often.

I don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Pickett's upside is average while also saying it's a problem that he's not average or better right now.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Here is how the first year QBs performed last year compared to Pickett this year:

Pickett (before today): 1-2 record, 2-7 TD-INT ratio, 192.8 YPG, 40.8 QBR

Lawrence: 3-14 record, 12-17 TD-INT ratio, 214.2 yards per game, 33.5 QBR
Wilson: 3-10 record, 9-11 TD-INT ratio, 179.5 yards per game, 28.2 QBR
Fields: 2-8 record, 7-10 TD-INT ratio, 155.8 yards per game, 26.4 QBR
Jones: 10-7 record, 22-13 TD-INT ratio, 223.6 yards per game, 50.9 QBR
Mills: 2-9 record, 16-10 TD-INT ratio, 204.9 yards per game, 35.5 QBR

Just because Herbert went insane a few years ago as a rookie doesn't mean that occurs often.

I don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Pickett's upside is average while also saying it's a problem that he's not average or better right now.

Fans aren’t logical and want instant gratification.

KP will be a good QB or a crap one, but NFL history has overwhelmingly told us that path will be ugly at first, no matter which way he goes.

 

[since70]

The concern should be the coaching staffs not being able to put their players in situations to succeed, if the players fail then you know you need better players, but it's almost like the coaches are like, remember what we did last week, because we're doing it again this week, it's bound to work eventually.

 

[NewAgeOutlaw]

As far as non-Kenny related discussion goes:

Even outside of having the 32nd scoring offense in the nfl, Canada needs to go for his inability to get Pickens touches.

 

[The Old Master]

The only argument for staying with Canada at this point, is trying to guarantee as much of a shot at a top 5 draft pick.

It surely isn't because the offense is one day going to magically click and work all of a sudden./

how much can a new guy come in and change things midseason? just asking.

 

[xlm34]

how much can a new guy come in and change things midseason? just asking.

Probably not a ton schematically, but they could be much better play callers. The bigger issue I see is who is available mid season? It’s either Sullivan who we know is a bad OC or someone who isn’t working. Which means they probably aren’t a great option.

 

[since70]

How many Tomlin hires have gone on to head coaching or successful coordinator jobs, does anyone know?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The concern should be the coaching staffs not being able to put their players in situations to succeed, if the players fail then you know you need better players, but it's almost like the coaches are like, remember what we did last week, because we're doing it again this week, it's bound to work eventually.

I think the overall point today is that Canada is the one constant in all of these debacles.

26 games worth.

First it was Roth’s fault because he was too old and slow to run this super awesome O… funny how the offense with the same personnel scored points when Roth called the plays - quite curious.

in the off season all I heard was MT was the athletic QB Canada needed to run his super awesome O.

Once the games started, MT was playing the worst ball I ever saw under Canada.

Now KP looks like ass. Is he? No idea, but the one thing I’m sure of is that they won’t find out who KP is with Canada as their OC.

 

[ChaosAgent]

How many Tomlin hires have gone on to head coaching or successful coordinator jobs, does anyone know?

Flores is a winner

Of lawsuits
Maybe.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

As far as non-Kenny related discussion goes:

Even outside of having the 32nd scoring offense in the nfl, Canada needs to go for his inability to get Pickens touches.

Pickett decides who gets the ball on every play. Tomlin mentioned last week he wanted Kenny to stop staring down GP so much