The Peter DeBoer thread

[Bleedred]

I already said this in the other thread, but it needs to be said here.

We've been to OT 38 times in the regular season since Deboer took over. We've only won 4 games in the OT period since then. We're 4-6 in games decided in OT before the shootout. Not a bad loss record, but that shows this team plays for the shootout. They hold it down defensively in OT, but don't attack enough offensively in OT.

Tonight was the 15th straight OT which we've been to in which we did not score a goal in the OT period. That's on Deboer IMO. They need to practice more 4 on 4 or something. That's completely unacceptable, and this is something that's been happening since Dumbeor has been the coach.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

I already said this in the other thread, but it needs to be said here.

We've been to OT 38 times in the regular season since Deboer took over. We've only won 4 games in the OT period since then. We're 4-6 in games decided in OT before the shootout. Not a bad loss record, but that shows this team plays for the shootout. They hold it down defensively in OT, but don't attack enough offensively in OT.

Tonight was the 15th straight OT which we've been to in which we did not score a goal in the OT period. That's on Deboer IMO. They need to practice more 4 on 4 or something. That's completely unacceptable, and this is something that's been happening since Dumbeor has been the coach.

Well in about half those games, they were pretty much purposely playing for the shootout because they knew Kovy and Parise could maim any goalie they were facing but yea, recently its been a total clownshow in the OT's. They really have no killer instinct or are just completely demoralized because the reason there in OT to begin with is because they gagged up another multi-goal lead lol. That is a pretty alarming stat though. We really don't have enough speed to go toe to toe with teams 4 on 4 so that probably explains them sitting back half the time.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I already said this in the other thread, but it needs to be said here.

We've been to OT 38 times in the regular season since Deboer took over. We've only won 4 games in the OT period since then. We're 4-6 in games decided in OT before the shootout. Not a bad loss record, but that shows this team plays for the shootout. They hold it down defensively in OT, but don't attack enough offensively in OT.

Tonight was the 15th straight OT which we've been to in which we did not score a goal in the OT period. That's on Deboer IMO. They need to practice more 4 on 4 or something. That's completely unacceptable, and this is something that's been happening since Dumbeor has been the coach.

Dude, seriously do you get off on giving goofy insulting nicknames to everyone on your ****list? You need a drink or something. Anyway, you want Deboer fired but you still haven't given any ideas on who you think should replace him. Who would you put in place that would be an upgrade?

 

[Bleedred]

Well in about half those games, they were pretty much purposely playing for the shootout because they knew Kovy and Parise could maim any goalie they were facing but yea, recently its been a total clownshow in the OT's. They really have no killer instinct or are just completely demoralized because the reason there in OT to begin with is because they gagged up another multi-goal lead lol. That is a pretty alarming stat though. We really don't have enough speed to go toe to toe with teams 4 on 4 so that probably explains them sitting back half the time.

A lot of that is from the first season when they were good in the shootout, but we've only won a single game in OT since the start of 12-13. That's 16 times we've went to OT, and the merc's OT winner against Washington in game 2 of 12-13 was the last one.

 

[Bleedred]

Dude, seriously do you get off on giving goofy insulting nicknames to everyone on your ****list? You need a drink or something. Anyway, you want Deboer fired but you still haven't given any ideas on who you think should replace him. Who would you put in place that would be an upgrade?

I'm confused. Weren't you saying the same things earlier? You made a few posts there that would have me believing you may have wanted Dumbeor gone too.

I don't know who to replace him with yet. If we're winless after 8-10 games then he absolutely should be gone. If we're gonna replace him with Stevens then he can stay. Don't want Laviolette either.

I want him the **** out of here after this season at the latest though. He's probably a free agent after this year.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Pete DeBoer thinks "this was a great hockey game" and "there's a LOT of good things we did tonight".

And, "I thought we did a GOOD JOB in OUR OWN ZONE"

Dearest God, does he even WATCH the games?

Is he just trolling the entire media and fans?

He will NEVER call out the D as an area that needs improving. He hasn't done it once in three years. And now he has gone as far as saying we did a good job. Inexplicable. What pisses me off even more is no one in the media has the balls to say "The team looked like it struggled defensively. What specifically do think they did a good job on?" or something to that effect. Force him to explain himself with some actual detailed analysis that would likely expose his flawed perspective on things.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I'm confused. Weren't you saying the same things earlier? You made a few posts there that would have me believing you may have wanted Dumbeor gone too.

I don't know who to replace him with yet. If we're winless after 8-10 games then he absolutely should be gone. If we're gonna replace him with Stevens then he can stay. Don't want Laviolette either.

I want him the **** out of here after this season at the latest though. He's probably a free agent after this year.

I don't want him gone because there is no one to replace him with that will be better. Firing him just for the sake of firing him will probably result in us having an even worse coach...what exactly would the point of that be?

 

[Bleedred]

I don't want him gone because there is no one to replace him with that will be better. Firing him just for the sake of firing him will probably result in us having an even worse coach...what exactly would the point of that be?

I absolutely don't want him back next year. He's stunted Larsson, he refuses to play better players. When Gelinas and Merrill come up they'll be getting benched too. Can't afford to keep him around after this season.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I absolutely don't want him back next year. He's stunted Larsson, he refuses to play better players. When Gelinas and Merrill come up they'll be getting benched too. Can't afford to keep him around after this season.

OK that's fine because you can do your homework on a replacement during the offseason and there will likely be many more proven candidates to choose from.

Firing him now is a totally different story. Whoever you replace him with you have to be confident is an upgrade and I just don't see who that would be at this juncture.

And not to mention that the team has had substantial roster turnover, we are only 4 games into the season, and despite playing abysmal hockey is still getting loser points.

I'm all for not bringing him back, but getting rid of him now just doesn't make sense. IMO, it's best to wait it out another dozen games or so and then re-evaluate options.

 

[guitarguyvic]

BTW claiming that a coach has "stunted" a player's development is pure speculation. You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, and you can't prove that a player would have turned out better under someone else's guidance. It's all second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[Bleedred]

BTW claiming that a coach has "stunted" a player's development is pure speculation. You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, and you can't prove that a player would have turned out better under someone else's guidance. It's all second guessing and Monday morning quarterbacking.

The way Larsson has been handled the last 2 years has been good for his growth?

As someone said earlier, there are worse players than him who are younger and have a longer leash with their coach.

 

[guitarguyvic]

The way Larsson has been handled the last 2 years has been good for his growth?

As someone said earlier, there are worse players than him who are younger and have a longer leash with their coach.

And those same players that have a longer leash sometimes turn out to be busts. And some players with shorter leashes turn out great. And vice versa. My point is that if a prospect is struggling there's really no way to know if it has anything to do with the coaching staff. It's all speculation.

 

[Chessarmy]

Larsson under Lemaire would be our best defenseman

 

[guitarguyvic]

Larsson under Lemaire would be our best defenseman

I think that's a possibility. But still speculation.

 

[kiwidevil]

I think Volchenkov comes out next game.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

I think Volchenkov comes out next game.

I'm going with Fayne. No one has a shorter leash than that poor *******.

 

[MountainGoat]

Larsson under Lemaire would be our best defenseman

and Zajac under Parise would actually look like a top 6 forward

 

[newjerseydamo]

I said it after the Oilers game, and I'm saying it again now.

I have no faith/confidence/call it what you will in DeBoer.
The crap he spews in post-game press conferences is pure ********.
Most times behind the bench ever since he was hired he looks confused or lost himself.

His personnel decisions are atrocious. How the hell can they sit Josefson when he had a killer pre-season?
Larsson is not a problem.

The CBGB line needs to be broken. Olesz needs to stay in the line-up.

Several times in the Canucks game I saw players constantly standing still.
This team is slow, and frankly DeBoer should be pushing them harder. A team moves as instructed by the coach. Yes they aren't a fast team to begin with, but seriously, they look lost and apathetic out there, and that's on the coaching staff. Head coach takes responsibility first.

Volch should be benched for the **** he pulled to score on his own net.

I love this team, but I have no confidence in the season moving forward unless some serious changes are made.

 

[Devils Unseen Hand]

The new owners are not going to tolerate this nonsense for much longer.

Looking back at our final 20 games last year, we went 6/20. This year, we're already 0/4. Common denominator is that we cannot score and/or we blow leads.

If Deboer goes winless on this road trip, the new owners are telling Lou to fire him. They're businessmen & winners. They will not allow another Johnny Mac situation again. That means 1/2 things will happen.

1. While the obvious choice for a coach would be Peter Laviolette, Lou is going to look elsewhere (as he always does) & find someone who can develop the youngsters. Thinking of who's available & good with younsters leaves;

• Robbie Ftorek
• Guy Carbonneau
• Guy Boucher
• Ron Wilson

2. Put together a trade for 2014 draft picks. And that means moving the dead weight on defense. If someone needs to be demoted or asked to have their NTC removed...so be it. Till then, they need to musical chairs on the pine. And I'm talking about our 3 old dogs; Sal, A-Train & Zids. Package one or two them with Teddy & grab some draft picks. There are teams out there that could use their services.

Again, I'd rather lose with the kids then watch the old bitties messing up our games.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

I still think the first call Lou makes - the first call he always makes - will be to Lemaire. If he turns it down, I can see him going with Boucher or Lavi.

I'm a Nets fan who watched Avery Johnson coach for his job before he was fired. He would make bonehead decisions, ignore developing youngsters, and refuse to sound the alarms after even the worst of losses. This feels eerily similar.

Pete isn't going to play young guys who he doesn't trust. Young guys he thinks will get him fired.

That in itself warrants his dismissal.

 

[RandoDoomer]

I still think the first call Lou makes - the first call he always makes - will be to Lemaire.

I wouldn't be averse to Lemaire as an interim coach. At this point, I just wonder if DeB is doing more harm than good to this team. Unless some really bizarre stuff is going on behind the scenes to justify his lineup choices, it seems to me like he just lost the plot.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

I still think the first call Lou makes - the first call he always makes - will be to Lemaire.

Special assignment - will work with team a month or so when they get back home and try to restore some defensive basics to positioning if they haven't worked out the kinks by then.

That's the only change I see in the short term. If I were pressed to guess a "worst case" right now I'd say Stevens steps down as D coach and returns to special assignments and someone that can "teach" a little better comes in. Stevens can the play the game like no other, but I honestly doubt he can communicate it the way he thinks it. They need someone who can adapt Pete's system to a defensive scheme that doesn't repeatedly have two D men on the midboards attacking the puck and forwards still covering their zones up high. There is very little read & react... it's more like read & freeze.

 

[Better Call Sal]

I like Pete, I really do. But I'm starting to sour on him like the rest of you. I don't care how much Volch makes (as if that should be a reason to keep anyone in the lineup in the first place) but he was awful last night and should be in the press box next game.

 

[Colin226]

I still don't get how changing coaches is going to improve our D.. They're generally old and slow, some on bad contracts.. That's more of a Lou issue.. Though I agree Larsson needs to play, I can't see 1 player suddenly speeding up all our D and improving the awful breakout.. Systems-wise, what is DeBoer doing wrong that another coach could improve?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I still don't get how changing coaches is going to improve our D.. They're generally old and slow, some on bad contracts.. That's more of a Lou issue.. Though I agree Larsson needs to play, I can't see 1 player suddenly speeding up all our D and improving the awful breakout

there were never this many breakdowns when LArry Robinson was coaching the D.

also, the fact that he plays both Volch AND Harrold, and plays them TOGETHER, is grounds for firing alone.