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I don't know why people around here dwell so much on the past.
The Official Pierre "high five" Dorion Thread | Part III
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I don't know why people around here dwell so much on the past.
Pierre from Orleans
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and it's equally funny how the hater club is silent when the team is winning. you can even see it in the GDTs. no haters therefore less traffic when we win.
Pierre from Orleans
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your booster club comment is interesting.
this is a fan forum and hockey discussion board.
it isn't a hater forum
if that troubles you, ask for a refund on your membership
AchtzehnBaby
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True. IMHO, PD is one of those guys who is pretty easy to read. Must be a crappy negotiator. Unless he is one of those guys who just acts like a good ball on TV, and is a okay behind closed doors
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It isn't really an either/or though. Neither the past group or the current group comprises a contender core.
If we were to trade a few of those players, we should've gotten a better return. We could've kept one of Karlsson/Hoffman. We could've been more proactive in the room and put out the fires while they were still tiny. There were so many different paths available.
Do you think Pierre ever sits back and thinks about how he is going to be remembered as a part of Sens management 10-20 years from now? Sure, he's got a pretty good eye when it comes to drafting, but other than that...
Also, when he's no longer GM, whether Melnyk fires him or an eventual ownership change forces him out (I really couldn't see him being retained, not just for his performance but because most new ownership groups want their own staff), do you think he'll get the chance to be an NHL GM elsewere? I can't say I do.
Also, when he's no longer GM, whether Melnyk fires him or an eventual ownership change forces him out (I really couldn't see him being retained, not just for his performance but because most new ownership groups want their own staff), do you think he'll get the chance to be an NHL GM elsewere? I can't say I do.
so I posted that comment on something that I've observed over the past month....what I observed is a lot more bravado from one side when we are losing....but I checked it out the page counts this morning
in our 12 wins - either the GDT or pre game thread that doesn't get converted to a GDT averaged 24.9 pages
in our 12 losses and 3 OT losses the GDT or pre game thread that doesn't get converted to a GDT averaged 30.7
I didn't go in and look at the post total, I just counted the pages
as I said, I made my original post based on my own observation...when you actually look at the page count...it is pretty damn evident that it is the negative nellies that come out in force on games that we lose. There is a 23% higher page count when we lose. Not scientific, there could be other factors but without diving any deeper in to, the negatives seems to have a lot more to say when we lose.
Here's another observation....when we win, I think the GDTs have way more discussion about hockey
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Nobody is having a better morning today then Pierre Dorion. His team just beat San Jose 6-2.
After the Hoffman embarrassment with Doug Wilson, and the EK trade with him weeks later. Having the team you built destroy San Jose makes you feel amazing.
Pierre Dorion went around the GM world in 80 days and has come out the other side. Good for him, he deserves some praise.
After the Hoffman embarrassment with Doug Wilson, and the EK trade with him weeks later. Having the team you built destroy San Jose makes you feel amazing.
Pierre Dorion went around the GM world in 80 days and has come out the other side. Good for him, he deserves some praise.
Little tip for anybody on the road today,drop your sun visors to keep more of the hot air from your defrost vents on the windshield...
Yeah, because winning one game against a team whose goalie is tanking their otherwise dominant play is clearly indicative of a) winning a trade where you shipped out the best player your team has ever had at age 28, b) that your team, which is usually horribly outshot and outplayed, is on the right track, especially when they're sitting on the outside looking in re: playoffs, and c) that you're not a GM because you're a glorified yes-man to the worst owner in the league.
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I did not see the game yet, so therefore haven't seen the interview. Without knowing what was said or the context of it, I would guess it was important from a PR perspective for Dorion to come out on a day when the fan base would be reminded of the Karlsson situation and try to enforce the narrative that this team can sign star players and did not lose Erik Karlsson due to an inability to spend at a level comparable with other NHL teams.
Whether that narrative is true or not....hey fake it 'til you make it.
Whether that narrative is true or not....hey fake it 'til you make it.
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There is a scenario where a year or two from now, people will make main board threads applauding Dorion for this trade. It would require a significant long shot in San Jose missing the playoffs in whatever year the pick ends up transferring to Ottawa. San Jose would then have to win the lottery and hand Ottawa the ability to draft a potential elite or franchise player.
It'd be similar to the Sakic situation. Because Sakic got lucky, everybody forgot about all the great packages he turned down for Duchene previously and acted like he was a genius. Sometimes, I think people forget to look at the process rather than the result. According to Friedman, Sakic was sweating bullets. If Dorion was shot to the moon, or if our losing streak happened a week or two earlier, we don't make that Duchene trade, and Sakic's stalling that was initially trashed (and later applauded) would have most likely resulted in him getting a worse package than those previously offered to him.
So if everything goes right, people will think Dorion is a genius, but the result would be completely out of line with the process of the trade which was extremely flawed.
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Yeah, because winning one game against a team whose goalie is tanking their otherwise dominant play is clearly indicative of a) winning a trade where you shipped out the best player your team has ever had at age 28, b) that your team, which is usually horribly outshot and outplayed, is on the right track, especially when they're sitting on the outside looking in re: playoffs, and c) that you're not a GM because you're a glorified yes-man to the worst owner in the league.
Easy there big fella, if San Jose falls out of the playoff (they are in 8th but tied with the 9th place team so 100% possible) and Ottawa gets their 1st round pick, if it becomes a top pick you'll be really happy. We all will be.
The trade is working out, lots I don't like about the Ottawa franchise. But is isn't one of them. And Dorion takes a ton of heat. So some good vibes his way on a day he deserves them should be in order.
Very interested in this home and home with Montreal. Are we turning a corner here? If we are going up and San Jose is going down, this SJ win could be the turning point in this season and the franchise.
Here you go again....
For shame that some fans enjoy being stoked on the team, especially after a string of wins!
Your post reads as though being a hockey fan isn’t about finding ways to enjoy the team and sport, it’s about how creative you can get at acting like a pathetic jilted lover for as long as humanly possible.
I’m sure there are many ‘boosters’ (ie actual fans of the team) that are super jealous of your position, and wish that they could be as miserable as you.
Thanks for doing everything you can to make that a reality for the HF Sens community.
AchtzehnBaby
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Don’t let the douche factory get to you. They want you to get down to their level. It is not worth it.
Not really, all that has to happen is EK not signing with SJ, and them flaming out this year.
Either way EK wasn’t signing with us, so we got a package that reflects his status as a potential rental player. Looking back it’s actually not a bad haul in the context of the trade. Is any single piece worth EK? No, but it’s a heck of a lot better than losing him for nothing no matter what happens in SJ
SJ is the team that looks to potentially lose this trade badly. The saving grace for them is either a cup win, a long term signed EK, or they trade him before the deadline for as much as they can get.
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Aside from the conditional 2nd round pick, San Jose re-signing or not re-signing Karlsson has no bearing on the trade being good or bad for us once that 2019 or 2020 1st round pick transfers because it doesn't change what we got in return. I don't really think that's a good counter for the argument that an extremely long shot occurrence would be required for people to perceive this trade a certain way.
Getting something for EK being better than losing him for nothing is not a defense of a sub par return that was potentially sabotaged by Dorion insisting that Ryan's inclusion would not change the price for Vegas at the draft, and by Dorion's promise that he'd offer Karlsson a contract on July 1st. This was despite the fact that they could talk contracts prior to July 1st. Dorion essentially handicapped the team's ability to get the best return possible in a deal because of a promise he made not to trade Karlsson between the time he made that comment and July 1st.
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Thanks, I was looking for it as well.
Here it is for anybody else wanting to see it.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/dorion...ens-youth-duchene-and-stone-contracts~1553746
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