The Official Pierre "high five" Dorion Thread | Part III

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't take it personally, but this is a community and I find it worth to try and reign in the crazies every so often in order to keep it a someone enjoyable place to visit.

You are going to have to recruit help

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I don't take it personally, but this is a community and I find it worth to try and reign in the crazies every so often in order to keep it a someone enjoyable place to visit.

I think most people come here to find common ground don't they?

Right or wrong, if the mast majority of people are in agreement with a certain opinion it helps alleviate whatever quandary they have with the team for the time being, otherwise they wouldn't come back would they?

It's also odd you use the term crazy when everyone here is a fan of the team and wants success. Isn't fan short for fanatic...

 

[Ice-Tray]

You are going to have to recruit help

Ha! More like I discover that things have gone too far, and I'm actually the crazy!

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think most people come here to find common ground don't they?

Right or wrong, if the mast majority of people are in agreement with a certain opinion it helps alleviate whatever quandary they have with the team for the time being, otherwise they wouldn't come back would they?

It's also odd you use the term crazy when everyone here is a fan of the team and wants success. Isn't fan short for fanatic...

There are some people here like you describe, which is great.

I think that there are a lot of people that come here to vent their anger, and some even enjoy taking their anger out on other fans that don't agree with the negative slants on everything.

It's like wackamole, there is a sense that all positive takes need to be stomped out...

I also don't agree with the sentiment that fans in here want success. There are several posters in here that are actively campaigning for team failure because they feel that a slow death by embarrassment to the owner and fanbase will 'help' the team down the road.

But yes, I get the gist of your post

 

[Hale The Villain]

He has put together one heck of an entertaining young team to watch. There is no denying that.

Proof is always in the pudding.

Players on the team Dorion has acquired:

Duchene, Tierney, Boedker, DeMelo, Pyatt, Paajarvi, Falk

Players formerly on the team that Dorion traded away:

Karlsson, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Turris, Phaneuf, Thompson, Wideman

Players acquired by the scouting staff:

Stone, Chabot, Batherson, Tkachuk, White, Dzingel, Pageau, Ceci, Lajoie, Smith, Jaros, Borowiecki


Let's not pretend that Dorion has had anything to do with this team being young and entertaining. He has actively made the team worse, both in the present and future.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Well, It's not exactly fair to get on him for all of the perceived errors he has made, no matter what, and also strip him of all of the successes.

I mean people are still harping on the Duchene trade and the guy is a top 5 scorer in the league over the last calendar year.

The roster we are watching play on the ice right now is absolutely his planned team. These are all his new draft picks, several guys he would have had a hand in drafting, and the few vets are the ones he either traded for or signed save for a select few. He's even gone so far as to have given the coach a mandate, and has officially announced that a rebuild has begun. Yes, the young, fast, exciting team we're watching is his creation.

Personally I find many people in here try so very hard to dismiss the very obvious success that the team has achieved, in exchange for blanket insults and negativity towards a GM that has done a reasonable job in most areas, and an excellent job so far in terms of the team we're seeing on the ice.

The problem I find is that people actually believe that they would do a better job, even though they have to be aware that all of their armchair 'decisions' are done in hindsight, and they never have a clear view of virtually any of the facts surrounding any moves. People actually believe in their hearts that PD could have gotten a better deal for player 'X' based on absolutely zero factual information beyond their 'professional' opinion of the market, and what other GMs 'should' offer. It's pretty silly really.

Being an armchair GM, Scout, Coach, Agent, League Account, Team Laywer, Owner, and even Player, is all supposed to be fantasy fun, you're not supposed to take each other, or yourselves, seriously at the end of the day.

If the Sens don't hand Colorado a top 5 pick and Duchene signs i think it's a great trade for Ottawa, at least on paper. We will never know if turris being traded played a part in whatever negative shit went on in that locker room last season.

Duchene is clearly a far superior player to turris, legit number one center. He's been fantastic this year.

 

[swiftwin]

Dorion deserves a high five.

 

[Sens Vader]

Dorion deserves a high five.

No he doesn't lol

 

[Runback]

No he doesn't lol

Ah...yes he absolutely does. We can do this all night.

 

[Simplicity]

Players on the team Dorion has acquired:

Duchene, Tierney, Boedker, DeMelo, Pyatt, Paajarvi, Falk

Players formerly on the team that Dorion traded away:

Karlsson, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Turris, Phaneuf, Thompson, Wideman

Players acquired by the scouting staff:

Stone, Chabot, Batherson, Tkachuk, White, Dzingel, Pageau, Ceci, Lajoie, Smith, Jaros, Borowiecki


Let's not pretend that Dorion has had anything to do with this team being young and entertaining. He has actively made the team worse, both in the present and future.

Why does the GM get credit for trades when he is advised by his scouts, but does not get credit for his drat picks, who are made by his scouts.

 

[JD1]

Players on the team Dorion has acquired:

Duchene, Tierney, Boedker, DeMelo, Pyatt, Paajarvi, Falk

Players formerly on the team that Dorion traded away:

Karlsson, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Turris, Phaneuf, Thompson, Wideman

Players acquired by the scouting staff:

Stone, Chabot, Batherson, Tkachuk, White, Dzingel, Pageau, Ceci, Lajoie, Smith, Jaros, Borowiecki


Let's not pretend that Dorion has had anything to do with this team being young and entertaining. He has actively made the team worse, both in the present and future.

that's a pretty bad take Hale

for starters some of those players that are gone are not players that I'd want on the contracts they have, starting with Turris.

PD comes from a scouting background. Do you not think that someone with that background as their primary expertise has some input and influence on who we draft? your kind of naive if you think otherwise....that said I don't think your naive. you know better.

the other angle here is Dorion has announced in the past he was off on a trip here or there to do some scouting . people here grab that and there's crap about the team being too cheap to hire scouts. so which is it? he goes on scouting trips and has input or he goes on scouting trips but has nothing to say in draft strategy?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Players on the team Dorion has acquired:

Duchene, Tierney, Boedker, DeMelo, Pyatt, Paajarvi, Falk

Players formerly on the team that Dorion traded away:

Karlsson, Zibanejad, Hoffman, Turris, Phaneuf, Thompson, Wideman

Players acquired by the scouting staff:

Stone, Chabot, Batherson, Tkachuk, White, Dzingel, Pageau, Ceci, Lajoie, Smith, Jaros, Borowiecki


Let's not pretend that Dorion has had anything to do with this team being young and entertaining. He has actively made the team worse, both in the present and future.

Whatever bruh, as my daughter says.

You are mired in some buzzard world that is incapable of giving the GM of the team credit for team he has drafted and assembled in the ice.

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[Micklebot]

Why does the GM get credit for trades when he is advised by his scouts, but does not get credit for his drat picks, who are made by his scouts.

Conventional thought is GMs have influence on the 1st round, but typically don't have the time to go into the weeds to the extent needed for the later round picks.

I could see Dorion having input on higher profile 2nd round guys, but I have a hard time seeing him having a lot of input on the later rounds.

That said, Dorion wasn't GM for many of those draft picks. Stone, Chabot, White, Dzingel, Pageau, Ceci, Lajoie, Smith, Jaros, Borowiecki areall picks made before he became GM, and aside from Chabot and White, Jaros, and Lajoie before he was named assistant Gm.

 

[Micklebot]

If we can sneak into the playoffs this year and re-sign both Duchene and Stone, the Duchene trade could actually look pretty decent.

Duchene really has bounced back;
2014-2018 Colorado: 249 gp, 165 pts, .66/gp
2018-2019 Ottawa: 95 gp, 82 pts, .86/gp

If you omit those first 20 games where he was snake bitten, it's even more of a bounce back:

75 gp, 33g, 44a, 77pts, 1.02/gp

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Why does the GM get credit for trades when he is advised by his scouts, but does not get credit for his drat picks, who are made by his scouts.

Especially when doriens main strength is evaluating young talent.

I'd be shocked if he isn't one of the more hands on GM's in the league when it comes to drafting

 

[swiftwin]

Why does the GM get credit for trades when he is advised by his scouts, but does not get credit for his drat picks, who are made by his scouts.

Don't you know how this works? All the good moves/picks he makes are always the scouts/assistants. All the bad moves/picks are always Dorion's fault.

 

[Samsquanch]

If we can sneak into the playoffs this year and re-sign both Duchene and Stone, the Duchene trade could actually look pretty decent.

Duchene really has bounced back;
2014-2018 Colorado: 249 gp, 165 pts, .66/gp
2018-2019 Ottawa: 95 gp, 82 pts, .86/gp

If you omit those first 20 games where he was snake bitten, it's even more of a bounce back:

75 gp, 33g, 44a, 77pts, 1.02/gp

If he resigns AND we make the playoffs, the trade will be a huge win for us, no debate about it imo.

It's been a while since we've had a #1 center, and man does it ever feel good to have one again. Hes everything we could have hoped for and more at this point.

Bowers and the first will have easily been worth adding to Turris and getting this huge upgrade at center.

It was still an incredibly risky move by young GM Pierre Dorion, and hes very lucky that its has very nearly worked out for him.

 

[HSF]

did we turn into a contender?

nope no high five yet we are just a bottom of the basement team

 

[Micklebot]

If he resigns AND we make the playoffs, the trade will be a huge win for us, no debate about it imo.

It's been a while since we've had a #1 center, and man does it ever feel good to have one again. Hes everything we could have hoped for and more at this point.

Bowers and the first will have easily been worth adding to Turris and getting this huge upgrade at center.

It's still an incredibly risky move by young GM Pierre Dorion, but hes very lucky that its has very nearly worked out for him.

Not sure I'd say it worked out even if Duchene continues the way he's playing. Clearly the intent was to push the team to another level, well we're in a rebuild now, and while we don't know if that trade had anything to do with the disastrous remainder of the season, we need a quick turn around to take advantage of Duchene's remaining prime years for the trade to really work out imo.

 

[Samsquanch]

Not sure I'd say it worked out even if Duchene continues the way he's playing. Clearly the intent was to push the team to another level, well we're in a rebuild now, and while we don't know if that trade had anything to do with the disastrous remainder of the season, we need a quick turn around to take advantage of Duchene's remaining prime years for the trade to really work out imo.

I mean you make it sound like without winning the cup, the trade is a failure though, which isn't right.

We needed a number #1c, that was out intent. And we needed to either pay Turris more than we should be to be our defacto #1, or package him with some assets for a real #1.

It was like a trade in NHL 15, and we were fortunate enough to find a team willing to make such a trade with us (most other teams want to hang onto their #1C's).

The only way this looks real bad for us is if we get a lottery pick.

 

[Tuna99]

The chat of Dorion today saying ‘we have the financial clout to sign both players, Mr. Melnyck has the resources.’

This was sold as confidence the team can and will sign Stone and Duch - I heard something totally different. I heard him say ‘we’ll Put up the money, but they have to sign’

Today’s Dorion comments sounded like an extension of the EK strategy, which was essentially “we don’t want to sign him but will offer a contract to not be the bad guys and make it look like the player is chasing the money and not committed to the city or the franchise.’

I have less confidence today both players will sign. Just because Dorion tone was defensive and aggressive, and it sounded wounded to me. Just like it did at last years deadline when he was calling out the media and saying they got it all
Wrong, when in fact they had it all right

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

I cant take anything Dorion says at face value anymore. I didn't see his interview but i assume he had his usual smug smirk trying paint a rosy picture.

 

[Samsquanch]

Serious question, but would people be happier if we had Turris, Zibanejad, Kalrsson, and Hoffman as our core moving forward for the next 8 years?

Fitting Stone in would have been really hard to do while we still have Ryan's contract, and Chabot is going to get 7-8 million of his own.

So that is the core group of guys that we would be depending on to win us a cup, basically.

Yikes imo.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Always funny how the booster club fills the board with their rhetoric when we win a few games and go back into the shadows when we lose a bunch.

Reality is that yes, we've got a great young crop of rookies coming up, and that is due to good scouting, but until we actually sign our UFAs and fill in the holes on defense, there's really no weight to the argument that Dorion and Melnyk are turning things around. We're still a cash-poor franchise with a long way to go to win the fans' trust back again.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Always funny how the booster club fills the board with their rhetoric when we win a few games and go back into the shadows when we lose a bunch.

Reality is that yes, we've got a great young crop of rookies coming up, and that is due to good scouting, but until we actually sign our UFAs and fill in the holes on defense, there's really no weight to the argument that Dorion and Melnyk are turning things around. We're still a cash-poor franchise with a long way to go to win the fans' trust back again.

Booster CLUB.

LOL

Dorion said today “either or”. I read it as not a solid slam dunk. I figure we take one.