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Hakstok was a fascist clique hiver lickballs.gif
But he invented Martin St. Louis
Nope. Posted an article about Torts in CBJ, I think above, and the one thing all his players said, as tough as he was on them, Torts NEVER engaged in personal attacks. Always had the players' best interests, would insist that players take as long as needed to deal with personal problems, etc.
He's old fashioned, believes in tough love, but he's not an asshole like AV or Babcock.
Kesler, who last suited up for an NHL game in 2019 and is currently on the Anaheim Ducks’ long-term injured reserve list, said there are clear positives to Tortorella’s coaching style even though it isn’t ideal for everyone.
“It shows the group that you’re holding everybody accountable, not just the bottom six or the whipping boys of the team,” Kesler explained. “You’re holding your star player accountable to play right every single shift and if you look at the shift right before he got benched, I can tell you exactly why he got benched.”
Kesler described Tortorella as “very military-like” and that he respected him for it, adding the two-time Jack Adams Award winner also has an ability to give “a pre-game speech that makes you want to run through a wall.”
“He runs a tight ship and that’s how he gets the most out of his players and if you don’t like his style of play then you definitely don’t want to play there and I think that’s why Dubois asked for a trade. … I have a love-hate (relationship) with him. I hated that he was hard on me but I loved that he held me accountable,” Kesler said.
Kesler added with a laugh: “I’m a coach now. I coach my 10-year-old and I run the same tight ship that he runs with Columbus.”
Kesler on why 'military-like' Tortorella is hard on his top players
Ryan Kesler was one of John Tortorella's former players monitoring the situation between Columbus Blue Jackets coach and Pierre-Luc Dubois.www.sportsnet.ca
As far as Dubois:
Pierre-Luc Dubois on Whether John Tortorella's Coaching Style Was Why He Wanted a Trade: “It Was Not”
Appearing on Hockey Night in Canada Saturday, Pierre-Luc Dubois laid to rest any theories that John Tortorella's coaching was the reason he wanted out of Columbus.www.1stohiobattery.com
Dubois says he didn’t ask for his first trade from the Columbus Blue Jackets because of John Tortorella. They’re still in touch and the relationship is positive: Dubois says he recommended Tortorella to the Winnipeg Jets during the team’s coaching search in 2022. He also says he didn’t ask for his second trade because he couldn’t stand Winnipeg. He loved having his mom and dad close to him, became a regular at De Luca’s and appreciated getting to know the city.
It was September 2018. The Blue Jackets’ two biggest stars, Artemi Panarin and Sergei Bobrovsky, had just informed the team that they would both pursue free agency when that season was over. Columbus’ first meeting of the year was a team-wide heart-to-heart about Panarin’s and Bobrovsky’s futures.
Even though a part of him hoped to sign a long-term extension the summer Panarin and Bobrovsky left Columbus, Dubois admits it never seemed realistic. Contract negotiations didn’t begin in earnest until 2020, before the postseason bubble. Then came Dubois’ monstrous performance against Toronto, his encore against Tampa Bay and the realistic expectation that his contract price had gone up.
There was also the matter of Columbus’ rebuild.
He says he saw the writing on the wall. The team was heading for a rebuild with or without him.
“That’s where the team was going and where they eventually went,” Dubois says. It was an idea he couldn’t get behind, so he signed a two-year contract in December 2020, getting himself to within two years of UFA status.
“Torts and I had an intense relationship. At times, he went home and hated me. At times, I went home and hated him. But we were two competitors that both wanted to win and he knew that and I knew that. And I was lucky enough to grow up with a father that was a hockey coach and he told me that you can’t take anything personally because if a coach is pushing you, it’s because he wants you to become the best player that you can be.”
And the public dressing-down Tortorella gave him after that fateful final shift?
“If you didn’t play a sport or didn’t have a teacher or maybe even a parent that was really hard on you, you wouldn’t understand how it makes sense to yell at somebody and then, 20 minutes later, shake their hand and say ‘good game.’ But that was the relationship that Torts and I had. I think some people just saw what happened in Toronto, us yelling at each other, and thought we hated each other. Our relationship was complicated but there was always respect there and I think that’s the only thing that really matters.”
Inside PL Dubois' decisions, ambitions and how he landed in Los Angeles
Dubois knows that forcing his way out of two NHL organizations has upset some people but he has no regrets.theathletic.com
And Booth? Burrows? What about them?Kesler, who last suited up for an NHL game in 2019 and is currently on the Anaheim Ducks’ long-term injured reserve list, said there are clear positives to Tortorella’s coaching style even though it isn’t ideal for everyone.
“It shows the group that you’re holding everybody accountable, not just the bottom six or the whipping boys of the team,” Kesler explained. “You’re holding your star player accountable to play right every single shift and if you look at the shift right before he got benched, I can tell you exactly why he got benched.”
Kesler described Tortorella as “very military-like” and that he respected him for it, adding the two-time Jack Adams Award winner also has an ability to give “a pre-game speech that makes you want to run through a wall.”
“He runs a tight ship and that’s how he gets the most out of his players and if you don’t like his style of play then you definitely don’t want to play there and I think that’s why Dubois asked for a trade. … I have a love-hate (relationship) with him. I hated that he was hard on me but I loved that he held me accountable,” Kesler said.
Kesler added with a laugh: “I’m a coach now. I coach my 10-year-old and I run the same tight ship that he runs with Columbus.”
Kesler on why 'military-like' Tortorella is hard on his top players
Ryan Kesler was one of John Tortorella's former players monitoring the situation between Columbus Blue Jackets coach and Pierre-Luc Dubois.www.sportsnet.ca
As far as Dubois:
Pierre-Luc Dubois on Whether John Tortorella's Coaching Style Was Why He Wanted a Trade: “It Was Not”
Appearing on Hockey Night in Canada Saturday, Pierre-Luc Dubois laid to rest any theories that John Tortorella's coaching was the reason he wanted out of Columbus.www.1stohiobattery.com
Dubois says he didn’t ask for his first trade from the Columbus Blue Jackets because of John Tortorella. They’re still in touch and the relationship is positive: Dubois says he recommended Tortorella to the Winnipeg Jets during the team’s coaching search in 2022. He also says he didn’t ask for his second trade because he couldn’t stand Winnipeg. He loved having his mom and dad close to him, became a regular at De Luca’s and appreciated getting to know the city.
It was September 2018. The Blue Jackets’ two biggest stars, Artemi Panarin and Sergei Bobrovsky, had just informed the team that they would both pursue free agency when that season was over. Columbus’ first meeting of the year was a team-wide heart-to-heart about Panarin’s and Bobrovsky’s futures.
Even though a part of him hoped to sign a long-term extension the summer Panarin and Bobrovsky left Columbus, Dubois admits it never seemed realistic. Contract negotiations didn’t begin in earnest until 2020, before the postseason bubble. Then came Dubois’ monstrous performance against Toronto, his encore against Tampa Bay and the realistic expectation that his contract price had gone up.
There was also the matter of Columbus’ rebuild.
He says he saw the writing on the wall. The team was heading for a rebuild with or without him.
“That’s where the team was going and where they eventually went,” Dubois says. It was an idea he couldn’t get behind, so he signed a two-year contract in December 2020, getting himself to within two years of UFA status.
“Torts and I had an intense relationship. At times, he went home and hated me. At times, I went home and hated him. But we were two competitors that both wanted to win and he knew that and I knew that. And I was lucky enough to grow up with a father that was a hockey coach and he told me that you can’t take anything personally because if a coach is pushing you, it’s because he wants you to become the best player that you can be.”
And the public dressing-down Tortorella gave him after that fateful final shift?
“If you didn’t play a sport or didn’t have a teacher or maybe even a parent that was really hard on you, you wouldn’t understand how it makes sense to yell at somebody and then, 20 minutes later, shake their hand and say ‘good game.’ But that was the relationship that Torts and I had. I think some people just saw what happened in Toronto, us yelling at each other, and thought we hated each other. Our relationship was complicated but there was always respect there and I think that’s the only thing that really matters.”
Inside PL Dubois' decisions, ambitions and how he landed in Los Angeles
Dubois knows that forcing his way out of two NHL organizations has upset some people but he has no regrets.theathletic.com
And Booth? Burrows? What about them?
They want a brilliant young college or AHL coach like Hakstol.People who dislike John Tortorella so much always complain about every coach after awhile. I like Tort's, and I don't mind the job he's doing with the Flyers.
If you all dislike him so much, who would you prefer to be the HC?
Words are, in my not so humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic. Capable of both inflicting injury, and remedying it. But I would, in this case, amend my original question to this: “Would you rather have a coach that you know is shit or one that may be shit but we don’t know it yet?”They want a brilliant young college or AHL coach like Hakstol.
People only remember the young coaches who succeed, and forget the 80% who disappear forever after being the flavor of the month and turning rancid once they coached a couple seasons.
He’s not just shit, he’s old shit. He’s the perfect encapsulation of everything wrong with hockey culture and recycling the same has beens.Torts ain't shit. He's blunt, but he's not an asshole like AV.
He's not the most creative in terms of scheme, his strength is teaching, he'll leave a fundamentally sound team behind him when he finally leaves the bench. And it'll be a team where players hold each other accountable, which will make it easier for a new HC (I'm betting on Sullivan, Pens will implode in a couple years) to take over.
People who dislike John Tortorella so much always complain about every coach after awhile. I like Tort's, and I don't mind the job he's doing with the Flyers.
If you all dislike him so much, who would you prefer to be the HC?
Torts ain't shit. He's blunt, but he's not an asshole like AV.
He's not the most creative in terms of scheme, his strength is teaching, he'll leave a fundamentally sound team behind him when he finally leaves the bench. And it'll be a team where players hold each other accountable, which will make it easier for a new HC (I'm betting on Sullivan, Pens will implode in a couple years) to take over.
he needed to go at the end. but he was for sure the best HC weve had in many many yearsAlways intrigued by Knoblauch.
I didn't complain about Laviolette. But that's because he was competent overall in a way we haven't seen from a Flyers coach since he was fired.
he needed to go at the end. but he was for sure the best HC weve had in many many years
yah i was one of the few that wanted Torts back then..Yeah he was incompatible with the "be heavily defensive" mandate handed down from management. Straight up didn't know how to reconcile that with his preferred system.
What they basically wanted was Tortorella. Which was pointed out even way back then. And which I assured everyone would be a nightmare.
We all make mistakes, but only some of us ever actually admit it.yah i was one of the few that wanted Torts back then..
godam has he ever turned out to be everything people said he was..
sigh
Who around here has every admitted to a mistake?We all make mistakes, but only some of us ever actually admit it.
Who around here has every admitted to a mistake?