Blue Jays Discussion: The official Davis Schneider Appreciation Society

[Tony Romo]

That would be incredible, but it’s more likely an either or scenario.

FRIEND, THINK BIG

 

[Dr.Funk]

God, I hope he is right! It will be fun to watch.

Two guys I am most confidant in having great season next year are Vladdy and Varsho.

Given how it usually goes, it will be neither of them

I'd settle for Bellinger

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I don't know what indications are being given that the Jays are or would be the favourites for Ohtani, but I'm excitedly optimistic yet the utmost prepared for the ultimate letdown when he signs with the Dodgers as has been expected all along.

 

[Woodman19]

I don't know what indications are being given that the Jays are or would be the favourites for Ohtani, but I'm excitedly optimistic yet the utmost prepared for the ultimate letdown when he signs with the Dodgers as has been expected all along.

I look forward to the meltdown of people blaming Rogers cheapness when the reality is we probably have a contract out there more than double anything else we ever handed out

 

[Ale Brew]

I look forward to the meltdown of people blaming Rogers cheapness when the reality is we probably have a contract out there more than double anything else we ever handed out

I think it’s a least 3 times maybe 4 times bigger. Unless I’m mistaken, I think Springer’s $150M is the biggest deal the Jays have handed out.

After typing that out, I’m now thinking of Zoolander (It’ll have to be at least 3 times that size!). So thank you for the chuckle.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

If we don't land Ohtani or Soto I hope we pivot to the law firm of Lee, Yamamoto, and Candelario.

 

[weems]

Ohtani most likely signs with the Dodgers but I just went back and read some of the things that were said when he signed with the Angels.

• Signing with the Angels puts Ohtani near L.A. without actually being in the thick of L.A. So if we’re to believe that he values his privacy, as reports have suggested, Anaheim puts Ohtani close enough to Hollywood without being in the thick of Dodgers mania.

"While there has been much speculation about what would drive Shohei’s decision, what mattered to him most wasn’t market size, time zone or league but that he felt a true bond with the Angels. He sees this as the best environment to develop and reach the next level and attain his career goals. More than ever, I believe this is not only a special talent but a man of special character, and like everyone else I’m excited to see him in Major League Baseball.”

 

[Discoverer]

Well what’s the point of trading Vlad? Because he’s not signed longterm? Ditto Bo, but Bo actually has significant trade value.

Fwiw I’m not the one looking to trade either of them.

Yeah, in the EXTREMELY unlikely scenario that you somehow add both Ohtani and Soto, there's no way you move Vlad or Bo. You make those additions to load up and go for it, not to replace what you already have. MAYBE you think about moving one of them next offseason if it makes sense at that point.

 

[Woodman19]

Yeah, in the EXTREMELY unlikely scenario that you somehow add both Ohtani and Soto, there's no way you move Vlad or Bo. You make those additions to load up and go for it, not to replace what you already have. MAYBE you think about moving one of them next offseason if it makes sense at that point.

In that situation you go all in this year and risk losing Soto in FA knowing you still have a deadly core to make a push. After that its far enough into the future that many things can happen to keep a window open.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Well what’s the point of trading Vlad? Because he’s not signed longterm? Ditto Bo, but Bo actually has significant trade value.

Fwiw I’m not the one looking to trade either of them.

This is nothing more than a personal opinion, but my hunch would be of the two who would be more inclined to sign a long-term deal with the Jays, it'd be Vladdy.

I only say as such in the dream scenario they get Ohtani and/or Soto and some budget decisions eventually have to be made. Obviously I hope both are here for the long term.

 

[dredeye]

Ohtani most likely signs with the Dodgers but I just went back and read some of the things that were said when he signed with the Angels.

• Signing with the Angels puts Ohtani near L.A. without actually being in the thick of L.A. So if we’re to believe that he values his privacy, as reports have suggested, Anaheim puts Ohtani close enough to Hollywood without being in the thick of Dodgers mania.

"While there has been much speculation about what would drive Shohei’s decision, what mattered to him most wasn’t market size, time zone or league but that he felt a true bond with the Angels. He sees this as the best environment to develop and reach the next level and attain his career goals. More than ever, I believe this is not only a special talent but a man of special character, and like everyone else I’m excited to see him in Major League Baseball.”

Apparently, one of the things he really likes about the Jays is our training facility and I bet the thought of that facility after a potential second TJ is very attractive to him. We may not be the perfect fit but I can certainly see it being attractive to him. he is also legit buds with Kikuchi for whatever that's worth.

 

[stats1]

We really about to get one of Ohtani or Soto. Holy f***

 

[saska sault]

We really about to get one of Ohtani or Soto. Holy f***

About to maybe get one.

 

[dredeye]

I am worried what we give up to get Soto being that he's likely just a rental. Yanks pulling back because they are asking for a lot of prospects

 

[stats1]

Yeah I’d much rather give up the massive contract to Ohtani and keep our pieces for trade bait rather than use those up for a possible rental. Soto isn’t going through all this just to re-sign.. Boras is playing this out until free agency. He’s a pure rental

 

[Puckstuff]

If we don't land Ohtani or Soto I hope we pivot to the law firm of Lee, Yamamoto, and Candelario.

For me,

1. Ohtani
2. Soto
3. Yamamoto + 1 of Hernandez or Hoskins.
4. Hader + 1 of Hernandez or Hoskins
5. Arenado
6. Bellinger
7. Lee
8. Turner

 

[Eyedea]

Ohtani most likely signs with the Dodgers but I just went back and read some of the things that were said when he signed with the Angels.

• Signing with the Angels puts Ohtani near L.A. without actually being in the thick of L.A. So if we’re to believe that he values his privacy, as reports have suggested, Anaheim puts Ohtani close enough to Hollywood without being in the thick of Dodgers mania.

"While there has been much speculation about what would drive Shohei’s decision, what mattered to him most wasn’t market size, time zone or league but that he felt a true bond with the Angels. He sees this as the best environment to develop and reach the next level and attain his career goals. More than ever, I believe this is not only a special talent but a man of special character, and like everyone else I’m excited to see him in Major League Baseball.”

There’s also the whole “waste of time” comments the Dodgers had when looking back at their pitch to Ohtani. Them (Turner/Kershaw) feeling like he never gave them a chance because he wanted to DH. I know there’s a universal DH now but you’d have to still feel slighted from that and potentially still harbour some resentment towards them.

I'd Forgotten How Bitter the Dodgers Were That They Didn't Get Shohei Ohtani the First Time Around - Bleacher Nation

The Los Angeles Dodgers may have thought they didn't get a fair shake the first time around when pursuing Shohei Ohtani.

www.bleachernation.com

 

[Puckstuff]

Ohtani isn’t happening.

The question is, what offer can the Jays make the Padres to beat the Yankees and acquire Soto?


Tidemann?
Manoah+?
Schneider + ?
Roden ++?

Martinez + Barriea + would be my preferred starting point from my end but I think they will want Ricky, Manoah or some ready to go players like Schneider, Kirk or Varsho.

It’s going to be painful.

I’ve heard Dominguez and Volpe floated around in Yankees rumours.

 

[Puckstuff]

I'd also trade Bo for Soto if we could get Kim back in the deal as well, he has played some SS but mostly 2B.

 

[HuGort]

Sign Ohtani, trade Manoah, Martinez and Barrera for Soto, sign a bottom of the rotation starter and start planning the parade.

Springer
Bichette
Guerrero
Ohtani
Soto
Schneider
Kirk/Jansen
Varsho
Biggio

Gausman
Berrios
Bassitt
Kikuchi
FA signing

Can't Ohtani pitch?

 

[cyris]

Can't Ohtani pitch?

Not this coming season

 

[HuGort]

Not this coming season

That's going to hurt some of his value

 

[dredeye]

I'd also trade Bo for Soto if we could get Kim back in the deal as well, he has played some SS but mostly 2B.

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for one year of Soto? pass

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Ohtani isn’t happening.

The question is, what offer can the Jays make the Padres to beat the Yankees and acquire Soto?


Tidemann?
Manoah+?
Schneider + ?
Roden ++?

Martinez + Barriea + would be my preferred starting point from my end but I think they will want Ricky, Manoah or some ready to go players like Schneider, Kirk or Varsho.

It’s going to be painful.

I’ve heard Dominguez and Volpe floated around in Yankees rumours.

The Padres asked for Dominguez or Volpe. Don't think the Yankees ever considered it or Soto would be a Yankee right now lol

 

[Man Bear Pig]

That's going to hurt some of his value

It likely won't though. He's still looking at $500+ million dollar contract. He's going to be paid accordingly. Baseball hasn't seen a player like this since Ruth, and he's easily worth the gamble that he'll be an elite pitcher post TJ surgery.