WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Y'all can't handle a rebuild and it shows.
Man was I wrong on that one.
Man was I wrong on that one.
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The Gr8 Dane
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I think people are pretty supportive of the rebuild.
They just have no organizational faith in anybody or anything good happening to us like lucking out on a ppg player in the next 100 years.
Can you blame them? We might be cursed.
Personally I LOVE the rebuild
Fair enough, I did like Shane Wright as well (but less as the season progressed)
But had Slaf WAY behind these guys.
He hasn't been dominant but one thing is sure, he's been better than Slaf and is definitely the more skilled player.
Habitant#1
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I think most of the people are complaining that the Habs aren't rebuilding (i.e. tanking) hard enough.
Or long enough.
HuGo have signalled many times their appetite for 'acceleratng' the rebuild process. That is legitimate cause for concern, but that concern isn't 'not handling a rebuild'. In fact, the concern is that *management* can't handle a proper rebuild.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Supportive of the notion of their rebuild.. but the minute you don't draft Wright and Michkov, everybody loses their minds.
We have people questioning a rebuild and literally 1 of those prospects picked during the rebuild is currently in the NHL.. and we had Roy leading the AHL in scorer for a large portion of the year, the best goalie in the NCAA, the best goalie in the MHL, the best defenseman in the NCAA, one of the best u-21 defenseman in the SHL, the best u-20 defenseman in the NLA, etc. etc.
They picked 1st overall.
They picked 5th overall.
They have 20 picks in the next 2 drafts.
They are projected by every metric and outlet to pick in the top 6 this year.
The only way to tank harder than they have would have been to remove Suzuki and Caufield from the roster. Not make the Dach and Newhook trades. Not promote Guhle etc. when warranted and I guess dress an ECHLer as a goalie.
All that and they can't explain how they would have forced lottery balls to bounce the right way or how they could have forced other teams from not doing the same or more. We aren't the only rebuilding org in the world.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Which, according to my list would give us Konsta Helenius. Not bad, not bad at all.
You seriously believe those career AHL player had 0 impact with the Habs?
Rafael Harvey-Pinard L 34 14 6 20
Rem Pitlick C 46 6 9 15
Alex Belzile R 31 6 8 14
Anthony Richard C 13 3 2 5
3/4 are already in the AHL this year lol. RHP with 14 goals in only 36GP vs 0 this year...
I'm honestly surprise Belzile did not sign with us. He could have been playing with the habs with Dach and dvorak injury. He is back to the AHL.
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Edmonton, Minny, Seattle and Ottawa will all pass us. Not sure if we're bad enough to finish lower than CBJ and Anaheim though. I'd say we are likely #4-6.
I don't think we're passing anyone else unless the bottom falls out in Philly or Arizona.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
So what would you have done?
Sent them down for producing and call up even worse AHLers? Which AHLers were under NHL contracts to have even been called up to play?
And then what do you think happens with all of the players in that room, your reputation among the league, among agents, etc. if you are sending down career AHLers, or a prospect like RHP, for having NHL success for the first time in their lives?
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We’re moving along just fine. Ghule, Barron, Struble, Harris and &Jack are all developing nicely. Slaf is improving. Roy, Beck and Hutson have been killing it. Sounds like RB’s having a rough year but he’s also coming back from injury.
Folks, this is what rebuilding looks like. I’m surprised some people don’t get it. Much of the improvement we’ve made has happened outside of the big league team.
Going forward up front we’ve got Suzuki, Dach and Beck up the middle. We’ve got Slaf, CC l, Roy and Newhook on the wings. That’s a solid group. Better than we’ve had in eons.
If we could land a superstar then things look really good. Imagine Cellebrini, Suzuki, Dach and Beck. That would be the best Center group in the league. Imagine adding an Eiserman to the wings to go along with what we have.
The blueline looks really good even without Hutson or RB going forward. Guehle is a first pairing blueliners in waiting. We’ve lots of really good young players.
A superstar would make such a difference. Hopefully we get one in the draft this year or in years coming up. Buck the cupboard is far from bare.
Folks, this is what rebuilding looks like. I’m surprised some people don’t get it. Much of the improvement we’ve made has happened outside of the big league team.
Going forward up front we’ve got Suzuki, Dach and Beck up the middle. We’ve got Slaf, CC l, Roy and Newhook on the wings. That’s a solid group. Better than we’ve had in eons.
If we could land a superstar then things look really good. Imagine Cellebrini, Suzuki, Dach and Beck. That would be the best Center group in the league. Imagine adding an Eiserman to the wings to go along with what we have.
The blueline looks really good even without Hutson or RB going forward. Guehle is a first pairing blueliners in waiting. We’ve lots of really good young players.
A superstar would make such a difference. Hopefully we get one in the draft this year or in years coming up. Buck the cupboard is far from bare.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
And there's a focus on building a winning team. A complete, fully built and functional hockey team.
There's a way to victory without a superstar and that's by being deep up front and deep in the back-end.
Hughes and Gorton can't force a superstar on the roster but they know they need one and they'll try to find one, but they also want to find one that they think can be part of a winning recipe.
There are many highly skilled, superstar laden rosters out there that can't get it done..
Curious how you reach such certainty re. who has "been better"? If pp points so far this year is the definining standard, then sure... Otherwise, not sure what metric or standards you are looking at to reach such a definitive conclusion. I don't see it
The more skilled part is obviously highly subjective & depends on your framing of "skilled"... Slaf does a number of things Cooley can't & vice versa.
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Yeah but I put high value on superstars. They can take you a long way. Like I said, a superstar center means Suzuki moves down the lineup and becomes one of the best 2nd line centers in the league.
Dach wasn’t healthy enough to prove it but I thought he might even surpass Suzuki this year. Imagine him and Beck as your 3rd and 4th. You could roll four lines evenly and do really well.
The hard work is actually done. There’s the makings of a solid club. A superstar would make all the difference though. Cellebrini or Eiserman and I think we’re contenders within a few years. And that’s without Hutson panning out.
Nothing. I did not want to imply that Kent should have traded or send back those player back to the AHL.
Just bad luck. They all had career years with Habs at the same time.
Pretty sure no one saw RHP scoring 14 goals with the Habs. Same for Belzile succes with the short time with us. Just bad timing for us.
I has just responding to the previous person saying they had 0 impact with the habs ''extra wins''.
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Btw, as far as not tanking hard enough goes… we are among the worst goal differential in the league. We are being carried by goaltending heroics (which likely won’t continue) and CC’s OT prowess.
I think we are going to drop soon. And I would deal Montie to Edmonton if a solid return comes back.
I think we are going to drop soon. And I would deal Montie to Edmonton if a solid return comes back.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
We should end up in worst case with Helenius-MBN-Ritchie.. not sure those guys will classify as a superstar, but they should provide scoring punch to make us come in waves.
But I think we'll be able to at worst grab Catton/Demidov/Eiserman. I'm sure people will find a way to complain about that.
Ok - gotcha
I have seen people advocate for that in the past, which is why I addressed it that way.
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Eiserman would be incredible. Imagine rolling him on one line and CC on another. The PP would be insane.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I'm actually hoping for some of the other guys over Eiserman just because I think our star player should have more than that one dimension to him, but I won't complain at all by having another high end sniper on the team.
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Are you expecting the AHL callups to come in and put up 0 points? Do you think every time they got a point it meant we won a game that we should have lost?
I mean out of Richard's 13 games we only won 3, so he didn't come in and win us a bunch of games we should have lost, he came in and we lost way more then usual. And to top it off in those 3 wins he only had a point in 1 of them. An AHL callup having 1 point doesn't mean he won us that game just like a goalie making 1 nice save doesn't mean he stole the game that we should have lost. Pretty much everybody called up to the NHL will make good plays now and then, expecting 0 good plays from AHL callup is absurd. If it wasn't Richard, then maybe it would've been more games for Ylonen and we'd still get a few points here and there, or it would have been Condotta who played 1 game and had a goal. Or we would've claimed a waivers guiy like Tierny who would do just as good.
Outside of RHP who isn't what I would call a career AHLer the replacement players came in and played at replacement level.
GlassesJacketShirt
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Good point about goaltending; on a quick glance, one aspect that separates the Habs from the other bottom of the barrel teams has been goaltending being a collective positive (or negative, depending on viewpoint). I think their place in the standings is a mirage.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
It definitely is.
That's regulation wins.
I think we can expect this to change for Minnesota and Toronto, though it points out flaws in both rosters.. and for it to hold true for Montreal, Chicago and San Jose.
This should be the bottom 3 this year, and it likely will be in the reverse order of how it is right now.
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All you have to do is read the KK threads and now the Slaf and once Reinbacher is here it will likely be just as bad. This fan base will NEVER support a rebuild, they can't handle it. One bad play that leads to a goal and you see the all the assholes come out ripping the kid to shreds calling him all kinds of names all in the name of I'm a passionate fan.
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