HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread
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FrankMTL
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I'm expecting that Edmonton will eventually pass us in the standings....but they are horrible right now.
The only teams that are clearly worse than the Habs are the Blackhawks and Sharks. After that there are a bunch of teams that could be in that next tier.
The only teams that are clearly worse than the Habs are the Blackhawks and Sharks. After that there are a bunch of teams that could be in that next tier.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Naslundforever
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I am unclear what a window even is anymore. Build a good team already lol. 5 years tanking for prospects who’ll be maybe in the show in 8 and maybe in their prime in 10 sounds like montreal roadwork promises more than anything worth watching. The year before last was my last straw at watching habs suck, I figured I’d tune in again for the super tank results. Yikes. Tank = like 5% of the solution I think, if that.
Yeah the Oil better get it together soon. This is unprecendented. Oh wait, not fot the Oilers....
They need to catch fire soon, it's OUR LAST KICK AT THE BUCKET. They already had their 10 year tank..
WinterLion
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We are last in our division... that didn't take long. Seems about right.
Then he’s doing exactly what he should be doing. There’s still at least another year or two after this season of misery expected.
No playoffs until 2026 at the earliest.
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And then in the playoffs, that is finishing 8th of 16 teams in the East... how many additional years until the Hughes Habs are expected to win a playoff round? I think that's the problem with extended losing. The team doesn't have any idea how to win. The primes of young players is squandered. You turn into Toronto and Columbus if not Buffalo and Edmonton.
No thank you. Kent Hughes shouldn't get the better part of five years to get a team to the playoffs -- I think that's far too much wasted time. Suzuki will be 27 in 2026.
SannywithoutCompy
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I'm a big "draft BPA no matter what" guy. In my view, they didn't do it the last two years but lists differ. If we get a defenseman and they're BPA, so be it, but at some point we need to get an elite forward, and our defensemen are going to decline in value very quickly in a couple years when the logjam of NHL ready defensemen becomes apparent.
In 2 years time, the following defensemen will almost certainly all be NHL caliber:
Matheson
Guhle
Barron
Xhekaj
Harris
Kovacevic
Struble
Mailloux
Hutson
Reinbacher
Engstrom
Konyushkov
With Trudeau and Norlinder being "dark horses" to develop to NHL caliber during that time.
We won't have the room to get all of them significant playing time, which means a lot of stagnation and depreciation in value will likely happen in the next few years.
So, either we sell high on someone just as they're showing elite potential in the NHL or we find a PPG forward in the next couple draft years. Can't say I love how this team is being built, I think we're barreling towards Minnesota Wild-esque no man's land.
Edit: why did my post get moved? I was talking about draft strategy for this year lmao
In 2 years time, the following defensemen will almost certainly all be NHL caliber:
Matheson
Guhle
Barron
Xhekaj
Harris
Kovacevic
Struble
Mailloux
Hutson
Reinbacher
Engstrom
Konyushkov
With Trudeau and Norlinder being "dark horses" to develop to NHL caliber during that time.
We won't have the room to get all of them significant playing time, which means a lot of stagnation and depreciation in value will likely happen in the next few years.
So, either we sell high on someone just as they're showing elite potential in the NHL or we find a PPG forward in the next couple draft years. Can't say I love how this team is being built, I think we're barreling towards Minnesota Wild-esque no man's land.
Edit: why did my post get moved? I was talking about draft strategy for this year lmao
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That’s like…. Improbable, near «impossible ».
I have no idea how you get this team into the playoffs next season. This is like a 3 year objective starting next season. We have nothing to catapult the O, our G’s are what they are and the D is simply too green.
Plus the current D scheme is… how do I put it… nonexistant.
Twisted Sinister
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Ah, Montembeault. Singlehandedly ruining the tank since 2022
Gravity
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You can't rebuild properly with very solid goaltending. It's just not possible as it'll sabotage any chance of drafting elite talent. This is the way back to mediocrity.
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Habitant#1
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Montembeault to the Oilers please. I'd even take a 7th, It will help this team in the long run.
montreal
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that's not really true since there's a lottery, and it's not like 10 years after the draft the 5 best players are the 1st 5 picks, what you must do is make the right picks or you are f***ed.
Sorinth
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If the only good players you get from the draft come from lottery picks you will never rebuild properly, if you can draft well throughout the draft then you'll find good and yes even elite players without needing a lottery pick.
Gravity
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Given our draft record, we need to pick as high as possible to not botch the pick. It also helps that elite talent is usually crowded around the top 10 region of the draft. Sure you can get it elsewhere but the probability is lower.
We don't need good players. We need an elite, franchise altering C. We have plenty of good players and prospects.
Sorinth
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I can almost guarantee you that 5+ years from now when we look back at this draft there will be elite players that were available at our picks. It's just a matter of identifying and developing them properly.
Gravity
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Oh I agree with you. I lack faith in the org's ability to find them though hence why I want as high of a draft pick as possible to minimize the odds of us missing out on one.
Sorinth
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If you don't think we can find them then it's pointless to rebuild through the draft even with lottery picks because the rebuild will fail anyways.
Pretty much every cup winner that you can point at and say look at those elite players they got via tanking, we can see they also got elite players in the draft outside of those lottery picks.
Tampa: Point, Kucherov, and Vasilevskiy
Washington: Kuznetzov
Pittsburgh: Guentzel
Chicago: Keith
About the only team that doesn't fit is Colorado, and even in their case Rantanen at 10 is debatable. We all know if we end up drafting 10th this year then the pro-tankers would consider that a failure to tank properly.
Gravity
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We're good at drafting good players, not finding gems. As for the need to rebuild altogether, HuGo inherited most of the current young core from Bergevin. No HuGo pick has yet to make their mark (still early on).
The crux of the matter is that yes you can find elite players outside the top 10 however your odds are better inside the top 10. There's a reason tanking is a very real thing and why top 10 picks hold significantly more value than other picks. Also the tanking to draft elite talent in the top 10 and drafting elite talent elsewhere are not mutually exclusive so regardless of the possibility (with reduced probability) to draft elite players outside the top 10, you can still be pro tank and aim for the highest top 10 pick as well.
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