HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Heffyhoof]

I'm super pro-tank but I've been resigned to a pick around 6-10th since the start of the year. Winning games off the back of our future core and staying around 6-8th is actually a boon to me.

Lindstrom, Demidov, Iginla, and Helenius are all targets and Montreal should easily be able to pick one. Catton is even a good choice even if I'm not his biggest fan. Montreal will either get a great top-6 forward, or what I'm preparing myself for, another top-end defence prospect.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Are Crosby and Barkov "part time players"? They've been injured a lot in their career...

Baekov has never played less than 50 games and other than one season 60. Crosby hasn't missed significant time in 12 years and neither missed many playoff games. We'll see with Dach. So far he has missed significant time twice on relatively insignificant plays. Can't afford a 3rd

 

[morhilane]

Is anyone worried Tij Iginla may shoot up in the final rankings?
He's getting an awful lot of hype and scrutiny recently.

People in here being hyped for the kid doesn't mean much in term of NHL scouts rankings and if he's taken before the Habs, that means another forward falls to them anyway.

 

[Team_Spirit]

The whole team looked like shit in the 1st period wtf happened..2nd period is usually when the wheels fall off and they get caved in. Unbelievable

Just notice we are still 6th, everything's fine

 

[Captain Mountain]

This Dach discourse is super dumb.

-Being concerned about health is legitimate. It probably shouldn't be as much of concern as some are making it out to be (we don't need 20 even less informed Dr. Recchi's offering prognosis). But availability is important and Dach HAS missed a lot of time.

-You can't judge a player's performance or impact on health. Well, you can, but its like looking at the Habs from 2010-2012 and saying Markov was worse than Hal Gill. Its either being willfully ignorant or purposefully ignorant.

Dach has been good when healthy in Montreal. He's got significant potential. The health is still a concern.

There's also no point in being concerned about stuff we don't have enough information on.

 

[Rapala]

People in here being hyped for the kid doesn't mean much in term of NHL scouts rankings and if he's taken before the Habs, that means another forward falls to them anyway.

I'm not talking about in here at all. We mean nothing.

Scout's Analysis projecting rising draft prospect Tij Iginla.

Outside 32nd to 25th in Nov to. 23rd in Dec.to12th in Jan.

Top ten for sure in April and how much further up the rankings ??????

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

There were some indications. He missed parts of 2 junior seasons. Injured at WJC on a nothing play. His brother has an even worse injury history. It was worth the risk though. Another injury and I would forget about him as part of the nucleus and just pencil him as a part time player.

Yes, he came with some risk. But the injury he wound up with last season was completely unpredictable. Could’ve happened to any player.

 

[Heffyhoof]

This Dach discourse is super dumb.

-Being concerned about health is legitimate. It probably shouldn't be as much of concern as some are making it out to be (we don't need 20 even less informed Dr. Recchi's offering prognosis). But availability is important and Dach HAS missed a lot of time.

-You can't judge a player's performance or impact on health. Well, you can, but its like looking at the Habs from 2010-2012 and saying Markov was worse than Hal Gill. Its either being willfully ignorant or purposefully ignorant.

Dach has been good when healthy in Montreal. He's got significant potential. The health is still a concern.

There's also no point in being concerned about stuff we don't have enough information on.

I would contend that we as posters should be charitable enough to not assume other posters are confident that they know more then doctors and thus mock them. Instead we should assume that the poster is simply worried based on a pattern of injuries both to the player and other players that suggest a less than optimal outcome.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I would contend that we as posters should be charitable enough to not assume other posters are confident that they know more then doctors and thus mock them. Instead we should assume that the poster is simply worried based on a pattern of injuries both to the player and other players that suggest a less than optimal outcome.

I'm not sure why you think a post that agrees that concerns about injuries are legitimate would be mocking those who have concerns about injuries about health, and not be more pointing out that those who offer prognosis of how a player will return from injuries or what affect those injuries may have probably should take a step back.

 

[BLONG7]

I'm super pro-tank but I've been resigned to a pick around 6-10th since the start of the year. Winning games off the back of our future core and staying around 6-8th is actually a boon to me.

Lindstrom, Demidov, Iginla, and Helenius are all targets and Montreal should easily be able to pick one. Catton is even a good choice even if I'm not his biggest fan. Montreal will either get a great top-6 forward, or what I'm preparing myself for, another top-end defence prospect.

Curious here, any of the potential kids we pick this season, how soon before we see them with the big club? Right away? Could they surprise us and jump right into the NHL?

 

[teamfirst]

Well, you can, but its like looking at the Habs from 2010-2012 and saying Markov was worse than Hal Gill.

Well he was worse , he played 20 games compared to 151 for Hal Gill, cant be better than anyone who's playing when you're not, even you and me are worst than Josh Anderson right now

 

[WeThreeKings]

Is anyone worried Tij Iginla may shoot up in the final rankings?
He's getting an awful lot of hype and scrutiny recently.

Not really - there's a finite number of teams picking around us that would pick a forward above a defenseman, and if Iginla goes earlier than when we pick, then you're basically guaranteeing that Demidov or Lindstrom is there.

 

[morhilane]

I'm not talking about in here at all. We mean nothing.

Iginla was mid-1st round ranked on most scouts lists, including Bob's NHL scouts survey list, like a month ago. He might get into the lower top 10, but I really doubt he's out of reach of the Habs and if he is, one of Demidov, Helenius and Lindstrom will be there instead for them to pick-up.

And if somehow all the forwards are gone, well the Habs will pick another great dmen.

 

[Rapala]

Not really - there's a finite number of teams picking around us that would pick a forward above a defenseman, and if Iginla goes earlier than when we pick, then you're basically guaranteeing that Demidov or Lindstrom is there.

That is fine but it doesn't help if you are all in on Iginla.
Projecting his upside against the other two is not obvious IMO.
He could very well become the more complete and better team player than either of those guys.

 

[26Mats]

Not really - there's a finite number of teams picking around us that would pick a forward above a defenseman, and if Iginla goes earlier than when we pick, then you're basically guaranteeing that Demidov or Lindstrom is there.

Who's taking a Dman before us? Probably San Jose. But not if they get Celebrini. Anaheim is loaded on D. Chicago may go BPA also. Arizona have drafted many D. Columbus got Fantilli. But will they stop there?

 

[1909]

Not really - there's a finite number of teams picking around us that would pick a forward above a defenseman, and if Iginla goes earlier than when we pick, then you're basically guaranteeing that Demidov or Lindstrom is there.

I doubt Iginla would be picked before the two players you named.

One thing that can happen though is if Habs get the 7th pick, and all the six teams ahead of them draft a forward (Celibrini, Demidov, Lindstrom, Catton, Eiserman and Iginla). That would suck ! Habs would have to settle for a D-man (many excellent ones) , OR look at one of the Euro forward (Helenius) OR trade that pick to get instant NHL ready player like a Zegras or Johnston or Necas.

 

[LaP]

Who's taking a Dman before us? Probably San Jose. But not if they get Celebrini. Anaheim is loaded on D. Chicago may go BPA also. Arizona have drafted many D. Columbus got Fantilli. But will they stop there?

Chicago prospects pool is super thin on defense. There's no super clear BPA forwards after the 1st pick this year. You can't really say this forward is clearly better than those dmen. There's good forwards this year but outside of Celebrini there's better dmen. The quality of dmen this year is extremely good.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That is fine but it doesn't help if you are all in on Iginla.
Projecting his upside against the other two is not obvious IMO.
He could very well become the more complete and better team player than either of those guys.

He could or he could bust. It's all a projection game. All in all, if Iginla is gone, another forward that is very good will be there.

Who's taking a Dman before us? Probably San Jose. But not if they get Celebrini. Anaheim is loaded on D. Chicago may go BPA also. Arizona have drafted many D. Columbus got Fantilli. But will they stop there?

A lot of them.

San Jose.
Chicago.
Anaheim is not loaded on D, compare their D to the forward group which is currently Terry, Gauthier, MacTavish, Zegras and Carlsson.

Arizona only drafted Simashev.

The D are projected at the top of the class and all of them need defenseman. The forwards aren't going to fly off the board.

 

[Rapala]

Iginla was mid-1st round ranked on most scouts lists, including Bob's NHL scouts survey list, like a month ago. He might get into the lower top 10, but I really doubt he's out of reach of the Habs and if he is, one of Demidov, Helenius and Lindstrom will be there instead for them to pick-up.

And if somehow all the forwards are gone, well the Habs will pick another great dmen.

You can take what I post with a grain of salt. I posted a while back my Spidey senses were tingling when it comes to Iginla.
I'm having nightmares the f***ing Senators pick Iginla one spot ahead of us.
That is just something they could possibly do despite needing Dmen.

 

[schwang26]

There’s no way to have predicted what happened to him. Great trade, wrong result - so far.

Not sure what kind of return was expected for a 13th overall pick anyway. If Dach is healthy, I think it’ll pay off big time.

 

[Rapala]

He could or he could bust. It's all a projection game. All in all, if Iginla is gone, another forward that is very good will be there.



A lot of them.

San Jose.
Chicago.
Anaheim is not loaded on D, compare their D to the forward group which is currently Terry, Gauthier, MacTavish, Zegras and Carlsson.

Arizona only drafted Simashev.

The D are projected at the top of the class and all of them need defenseman. The forwards aren't going to fly off the board.

I saw a mock draft posted today and amazingly enough not one Dman was selected in the top 5.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I saw a mock draft posted today and amazingly enough not one Dman was selected in the top 5.

Yeah - gotta be careful of the chart humpers. They don't value defense. NHL GMs sure as hell do.

You might as well quit the mock draft game if you don't AT LEAST have Levshunov going in the top 5. I also don't see NHL GMs allowing Dickinson to slip too far.

 

[The Last Red]

There’s a Helenius available every draft in the 11-15 range, where we’ll likely draft next year. Using a top 10, let alone 6-9, pick on him would be regrettable.

 

[Hannibal]

Scared of Calgary now.

Ffs

 

[Rapala]

Yeah - gotta be careful of the chart humpers. They don't value defense. NHL GMs sure as hell do.

You might as well quit the mock draft game if you don't AT LEAST have Levshunov going in the top 5. I also don't see NHL GMs allowing Dickinson to slip too far.

That is one of the reasons for the emoji. Reinbacher and the apparent intersest besides the Habs says enough.