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HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

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Adam Michaels said:
Which is an advantage Montreal has in terms of the tank. That when it comes to the first tie-breaker (RWs), they have less than Arizona, Ottawa, and Columbus if they end up tied in pts.

In ROWs (second tie-breaker), as you mentioned, Chicago and Sharks are worse, and Columbus is tied with Habs with 21 ROWs each.
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It could have been an advantage if we were battling with Anaheim like we should have. If not for the massive overachievment we should be confortably behind Columbus, Ottawa and Arizona.
 
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Nicko999 said:
It could have been an advantage if we were battling with Anaheim like we should have. If not for the massive overachievment we should be confortably behind Columbus, Ottawa and Arizona.
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If there was no OT/Shootout and we went back to having ties then MTL would still be 10 points up on Anaheim.
 
Nicko999 said:
They still have 2 more regulation wins and 1 more regulation/OT wins than the Habs.
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And 12 more regulation losses.

If your going to evaluate how good a team is then the team then regulation losses is probably a better measure, the fact that we've gone to OT/Shootouts so much is a sign that we are actually competitive in the games which means we are a better team then the ones racking up losses because they can't compete with the league's better teams.
 
Sorinth said:
And 12 more regulation losses.

If your going to evaluate how good a team is then the team then regulation losses is probably a better measure, the fact that we've gone to OT/Shootouts so much is a sign that we are actually competitive in the games which means we are a better team then the ones racking up losses because they can't compete with the league's better teams.
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I heard this exact thing coming out of New Jersey the year before they went on that upsurge.
They felt they were in most of their games and had a significant number of one goal decisions.

I'm not sure what happened to them this season other than goaltending.
 
Rapala said:
I heard this exact thing coming out of New Jersey the year before they went on that upsurge.
They felt they were in most of their games and had a significant number of one goal decisions.

I'm not sure what happened to them this season other than goaltending.
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Goaltending and an injury to Jack Hughes. Meier also was dry as a bone. Hamilton hurt too.
 
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Sorinth said:
Sure which is why I hope teams like Ottawa and Arizona go on a hot streak and pass us. It's just the difference between 5th and 7th isn't worth the current players going on a cold streak or getting injured to end the season. I'd much rather Slafkovsky finish the season at ppg numbers and ending up with the 7th OA then him finishing the season on a cold streak and ending up with the 5th OA pick. Or take Roy, losing him to injury helps the tank but I still would have preferred him to be healthy and produce even if that meant a lower draft position because his continued development is more valuable then 1 draft position rank.
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I wouldn't wish for either but if you take this year's crop in consideration, the difference between 5th and 7th could mean getting one of the higher end forwards vs having to settle on another D prospect.
 
WeThreeKings said:
Gonna tell you boys it's been a wild ride but I'm not gonna be a tanker next year - though I don't expect playoffs.
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Yeah, my personal idea of the likely timeline has next season as a 'let the chips fall where they may' season. No real pro-tank moves, but no moves to make the playoffs either, barring a sweet deal. 25-26 has always been my expected start of consistent playoff contention.
 
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G0bias said:
I wouldn't wish for either but if you take this year's crop in consideration, the difference between 5th and 7th could mean getting one of the higher end forwards vs having to settle on another D prospect.
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And that D might be the better overall player, and it's likely one of the non-higher end forwards also ends up being better. And frankly I don't even know who all you are talking about when you say higher end forwards because there's basically no consensus outside of Celebrini is the best by a mile and Demidov is really talented and might be available at 7 if teams really like the D. The rest of the guys like Eiserman, Helenius, Catton, Lindstrom, Iginla they will be considered one of the higher end forwards for some people and not others.

I find the I wish for great things from all our young core players but that we also lose to be a cop out. It's like saying I hope we finish 11th and then win the lottery.
 
Sorinth said:
And 12 more regulation losses.

If your going to evaluate how good a team is then the team then regulation losses is probably a better measure, the fact that we've gone to OT/Shootouts so much is a sign that we are actually competitive in the games which means we are a better team then the ones racking up losses because they can't compete with the league's better teams.
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If we are better why can't we finish the job in regulation when those teams that can't compete can?
What the amount of regulation losses is telling me is that the goaltending often keeps the team in the game. Just the same BS pattern of the last 30 years. Rely on your goalies to keep you in games you have no business being.
 
Nicko999 said:
If we are better why can't we finish the job in regulation when those teams that can't compete can?
What the amount of regulation losses is telling me is that the goaltending often keeps the team in the game. Just the same BS pattern of the last 30 years. Rely on your goalies to keep you in games you have no business being.
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Anaheim loses 2.5 games for every regulation win Montreal is at 2 losses for every regulation win. That's a sizeable difference and highlights why Montreal is way ahead in the standings and would still be ahead in the standings by quite a lot even if the gimmicks of OT and Shootouts were removed.
 
Heffyhoof said:
Yeah, my personal idea of the likely timeline has next season as a 'let the chips fall where they may' season. No real pro-tank moves, but no moves to make the playoffs either, barring a sweet deal. 25-26 has always been my expected start of consistent playoff contention.
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This is the way.

The only way you accelerate the timeline is if a great buy low option lands in your lap, and we know those don’t come around too often.
 
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Sorinth said:
And that D might be the better overall player, and it's likely one of the non-higher end forwards also ends up being better. And frankly I don't even know who all you are talking about when you say higher end forwards because there's basically no consensus outside of Celebrini is the best by a mile and Demidov is really talented and might be available at 7 if teams really like the D. The rest of the guys like Eiserman, Helenius, Catton, Lindstrom, Iginla they will be considered one of the higher end forwards for some people and not others.

I find the I wish for great things from all our young core players but that we also lose to be a cop out. It's like saying I hope we finish 11th and then win the lottery.
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Sure just like a mid 1st, or late 1st or 2nd etc "might" be the better overall player too. Might as well just pick at random at that point.

It's about maximizing the odds.

Celebrini is ahead but there's not a mile of difference with the others. Demidov is sometimes talked as being just as talented, but other aspects, some non-hockey related, may present more risk for some teams.

I don't doubt the habs have Celebrini, Demidov and Lindstrom as top choices.
 
G0bias said:
Sure just like a mid 1st, or late 1st or 2nd etc "might" be the better overall player too. Might as well just pick at random at that point.

It's about maximizing the odds.

Celebrini is ahead but there's not a mile of difference with the others. Demidov is sometimes talked as being just as talented, but other aspects, some non-hockey related, may present more risk for some teams.

I don't doubt the habs have Celebrini, Demidov and Lindstrom as top choices.
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I know the Habs are deep at D but there are some elite Dmen that could land at their pick...what do you do?
 
Tyson said:
It would be an option for sure as long as the right player is available
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Hopefully. As trading a surplus of D for that top offensive player later is always easier said than done. Will the right player even be available? Then comes the question, who do you give up to acquire that kind of talent? The newly drafted D? Reinbacher? Guhle?

This draft is huge for our future, it'll be the last year we "tank". That's why even just one or two draft positions could make a difference.
 
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