HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Boss Man Hughes]

Just reminded us of how thin our quality center depth is. Plus, can we afford to trust Dach to stay healthy over a full season?

I certainly don't expect him ever to play a full season. Going to need at least one more scoring line centre.

 

[Sorinth]

Yes but it doesn't work that way. I mean you get what you can. They drafted Reinbacher not because he was a RHD with the potential to be a 40-50 points defensive dman they they drafted him because they though he was the BPA. They did not like Michkov he was not their man.

I don't think drafting Rainbacher was part of a plan or something he was just their man. History have proven that you can win with anything. Vancouver almost won with Bure and that suspension in the scf was BS. Caps won with Ovy. CH won with Roy. NJ/Anaheim won with Stevens/Pronger and Niedermayer.

Grab the legend and then build the team around it. If you pass on a Bure because you want to draft a defensive stud then you're doing it wrong in my book. They just did not believe that Michkov or the others guys were that kind of offensive players and they believed in Reinbacher.

People who believe they'll go with a D this year because that's how you do it and that's what they did last year could be surprised. If they believe in Catton, if he is their man they'll go with him.


If you pass on Bure or Kucherov or any player of this kind to draft a minute eating RHD then imo you're doing it wrong. They just did not believe in Michkov. People act like if MIchkov would already be a 50 goals and 90 points winger. There's a long way to go to get there. History will tell who's right and who's wrong. Personally i don't pretend to know i'll give Reinbacher a chance to prove what he can do.

Completely agree, they've picked such a wide variety of players that I don't think we can really use a prospect style as a way to determine who they like. And at the end of the day unless they go way off the board which is doubtful we'll get a player with great potential.

Also Hughes has been one of the more active GMs in terms of trades so you pick whoever you think is the BPA and trust that Hughes will make trades as needed to either fill holes or rebalance the positions.

 

[SlafySZN]

Do we know what date the draft lottery is being held on?

Not yet, it’s still to be determined

 

[Walksss]

If you pass on Bure or Kucherov or any player of this kind to draft a minute eating RHD then imo you're doing it wrong. They just did not believe in Michkov. People act like if MIchkov would already be a 50 goals and 90 points winger. There's a long way to go to get there. History will tell who's right and who's wrong. Personally i don't pretend to know i'll give Reinbacher a chance to prove what he can do.

I agree with this, but I'm talking about equal skill level. Obviously taking Adam Larsson over Kucherov was a big miss but hopefully it doesn't play out that way, regardless of how some people on here feel.

I'm on board with the Pietrangelo vs Panarin comparison. I fully believe that Pietrangelo is the more valuable asset in a cup pursuit, theres no question for me.

 

[Walksss]

But aren’t those shutdown D that play big minutes, typically available later? If they are playing a shutdown role, what does it matter if they’re RD or LD?

Where was Shea Weber selected?

Teams using a pick on a D early in the draft will typically look for a player that provides a modicum of offence, which may explain why the shutdown Ds tend to fall.

Scoring is the most difficult skill and the least abundant. If all things are equal between two draftees, I’d opt for the high level forward goal producer over the high level shutdown D. The latter or a reasonable facsimile, can be found with a later pick. Not an elite goal scorer.

They aren't projecting Reinbacher to be just a shutdown D though, they're projecting top pairing D on the right side. A much more valuable piece than a scoring winger unless you're talking Hart candidate and even then during the playoffs I'll still take the big 25 minute Dman over all of them except maybe Kucherov.

Secondly Kucherov himself is obviously a 2nd rounder so they can definitely be found later.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Yes but it doesn't work that way. I mean you get what you can. They drafted Reinbacher not because he was a RHD with the potential to be a 40-50 points defensive dman they they drafted him because they though he was the BPA. They did not like Michkov he was not their man.

I don't think drafting Rainbacher was part of a plan or something he was just their man. History have proven that you can win with anything. Vancouver almost won with Bure and that suspension in the scf was BS. Caps won with Ovy. CH won with Roy. NJ/Anaheim won with Stevens/Pronger and Niedermayer.

Grab the legend and then build the team around him. If you pass on a Bure because you want to draft a defensive stud then you're doing it wrong in my book. They just did not believe that Michkov or the other guys were that kind of offensive players and they believed in Reinbacher.

People who believe they'll go with a D this year because that's how you do it and that's what they did last year could be surprised. If they believe in Catton, if he is their man they'll go with him.


If you pass on Bure or Kucherov or any player of this kind to draft a minute eating RHD then imo you're doing it wrong. They just did not believe in Michkov. People act like if MIchkov would already be a 50 goals and 90 points winger. There's a long way to go to get there. History will tell who's right and who's wrong. Personally i don't pretend to know i'll give Reinbacher a chance to prove what he can do.

Would you pass on Bure to draft Nickolas Lindstrom if you're building a team and have neither a top pair RD or elite winger?

 

[Runner77]

They aren't projecting Reinbacher to be just a shutdown D though, they're projecting top pairing D on the right side. A much more valuable piece than a scoring winger unless you're talking Hart candidate and even then during the playoffs I'll still take the big 25 minute Dman over all of them except maybe Kucherov.

Secondly Kucherov himself is obviously a 2nd rounder so they can definitely be found later.

Agree to disagree. Reinbacher’s offence is questionable. Maybe there’s more under the hood but he hasn’t shown it.

 

[Team_Spirit]

More Ls on the way lmao

 

[rahad]

Going to be a hard night for the tank. I don't see Columbus or Ottawa beating Winnipeg or Caroline.

Is kinda crazy that our main tank rival has been Arizona for 3 years. We keep beating them by only 2 points.

 

[LaP]

Plz Pens can you win this game? It's two bird in one stone. The Pens get 8 points away from us with a win. And i so want to see Detroit and Flyers implode and miss the playoffs by a few points just to **** the people who were glamouring over them at the beginning of the season and how you don't have to tank bla bla bla. Watching those two teams implode is music to my ears.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Going to be a hard night for the tank. I don't see Columbus or Ottawa beating Winnipeg or Caroline.

Is kinda crazy that our main tank rival has been Arizona for 3 years. We keep beating them by only 2 points.

Time to whip out all the voodoo dolls boys

 

[HuGo Sham]

Time to whip out all the voodoo dolls boys

 

[General Fanager]

According to tankathon The Habs have the hardest remaining schedule....

 

[overlords]

the diving champion evens things up for ottawa, 2-2.

 

[sheed36]

Very nice goal by Stutzle to tie the game vs the Canes @ 2

 

[red devil]

According to tankathon The Habs have the hardest remaining schedule....

Not surprising as the only 3 games that they have with opponents that are outside the playoffs right now are the Kraken, Islanders and Senators

 

[Runner77]

Is kinda crazy that our main tank rival has been Arizona for 3 years. We keep beating them by only 2 points.

Except we have more suckers who are willing to fork out the big bucks to attend games. And, there are no coeds in the stands.

 

[Runner77]

2nd period almost over in Ottawa.

C’mon Senaturds, you can do it (ya pathetic excuse for a team)!

 

[sandviper]

Agree to disagree. Reinbacher’s offence is questionable. Maybe there’s more under the hood but he hasn’t shown it.

I also agree Reinbacher’s offensive upside is kind of a question mark but I am of the opinion is a player of his profile, a RHD at that, is the type of defender you need in your D corps. An all-situations defender who will hopefully be a minute eater and a mainstay in our top-4.

I get Weber was picked later but I also think Reinbacher will do more than Weber in his prime.

I get Michkov is the shiny highlight reel, but obviously there was something our scouts didn’t like. I mean, we’ll see. Neither are in the NHL yet so we won’t know for a while.

 

[McGees]

RIP.
At least the Pens will win..

 

[Redux91]

Well
It was gonna be a miracle if they pulled it off anyway lol
Oh well
Still a bit of time left in the season to maybe pass by 1 or 2 teams

 

[Gravity]

7-2. What a collapse from the deplorable franchise.

 

[Runner77]

I also agree Reinbacher’s offensive upside is kind of a question mark but I am of the opinion is a player of his profile, a RHD at that, is the type of defender you need in your D corps. An all-situations defender who will hopefully be a minute eater and a mainstay in our top-4.

I get Weber was picked later but I also think Reinbacher will do more than Weber in his prime.

I get Michkov is the shiny highlight reel, but obviously there was something our scouts didn’t like. I mean, we’ll see. Neither are in the NHL yet so we won’t know for a while.

I’ve moved past Michkov as there may have been other compelling factors at play that may have weighed heavily in the Habs’ evaluation of him, that we’re not privy to.

Sure, we can use a D like Reinbacher but maybe not at the expense of a 5OA. We’ll have to wait and see what he turns into but Weber did have other attributes that Reinbacher doesn’t possess — he won’t match his physicality as Weber was a beast. Weber posted several seasons of 15-20 range in goals and 40+ points. Not sure how much offence Reinbacher will generate in his prime.

It’s water under the bridge now anyway — let’s hope for the best at this point.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Damn, Senators got shelled by Carolina 7-2. That leaves them one point back with only one game in hand. Remember how they had 5 games in hand at one point & would easily pass us? Yeah, good times.

Columbus going to lose 5-1 to Jets. Toffoli with another goal.

At least Pens will go 8 pts up ending any chance of Montreal moving the wrong way. It's 7th or higher now.

 

[Miller Time]

Damn, Senators got shelled by Carolina 7-2. That leaves them one point back with only one game in hand. Remember how they had 5 games in hand at one point & would easily pass us? Yeah, good times.

Columbus going to lose 5-1 to Jets. Toffoli with another goal.

At least Pens will go 8 pts up ending any chance of Montreal moving the wrong way. It's 7th or higher now.

The Sens really suck. Gotta wonder how much Giroux regrets signing up for that gong show even with the family considerations.

Crappy way to close out an illustrious career... Especially after leaving Philly in part to avoid being stuck in a long rebuild