HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Riggins]

The OT/SO wins dried up and look where we are now.

After Celebrini, I really think three D go top 5 (Silayev, Levshunov, Dickinson). If we can get down to #5 pre-lotto we should comfortably get Demidov or Lindstrom even if we fall to #6.

At the #6 lotto spot, you've got a 41% chance of dropping to 7th and 9% of going all the way to 8th. Basically a coin flip on lottery day.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I predicted we’d tank in the back half. But man, I’m surprised we’ve lost so much to bad teams lately. Schedule only gets harder going forward. Top pick would be great.

 

[RealityBytes]

Problem is, the Habs haven't had a decent team since 2016 where they went out first round. Now seven years later and after seven years of rebuilding the team, they are still at the bottom of the division (Ottawa will pass them).

They are slated for a sixth pick (and Calgary's pick not top ten) but that with what they have won't push them into the upper four, but rather they will still be stuck in the Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo half of the division.

So, no winner yet, and might as well just keep trying to get worse to get better, but looks like another three years (at least) added of just slipping and sliding with the also rans.

PS: Unfortunately, the scenario highlights when after seven years of rebuilding, the bookies make Buffalo the favorite when playing against Montreal in Montreal.

 

[HabzSauce]

the tank is STRONG BOYS. Fantastic week

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Well, no, if Montreal gets a point and Arizona 2 points then Arizona is still one point back. Montreal is currently 2 points ahead. If Coyotes get a point against Winnipeg tomorrow night then you'd be right.

But, that is extremely doubtful. I expect a 12th consecutive loss for Arizona. In which case, they need to win in regulation on Tuesday to pass Montreal.

I clarified ppt. I just used it cause tankathon uses it when analysing mid season. For example if a team has 52 points and another has 50 points but with 10 games in hand, which team really has the advantage in the tank wars

 

[Gustave]

The OT/SO wins dried up and look where we are now.

After Celebrini, I really think three D go top 5 (Silayev, Levshunov, Dickinson). If we can get down to #5 pre-lotto we should comfortably get Demidov or Lindstrom even if we fall to #6.

At the #6 lotto spot, you've got a 41% chance of dropping to 7th and 9% of going all the way to 8th. Basically a coin flip on lottery day.

Last season I desperately wanted to finish “top” 5 because it guaranteed Michkov in the worst of scenarios…. So I’m not getting my hopes up until I see a forward putting on the jersey.

I can feel @WeThreeKings rolling his eyes at my post

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I clarified ppt. I just used it cause tankathon uses it when analysing mid season. For example if a team has 52 points and another has 50 points but with 10 games in hand, which team really has the advantage in the tank wars

Yeah, they'd be slightly ahead based on ppt on Tankathon, but still behind according to NHL standings.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Bottom 5 would be nice, pre-lottery.

Even if they slide to 6th … 3 forwards and 3 D I’d be happy with.

 

[HabsForHire]

Problem is, the Habs haven't had a decent team since 2016 where they went out first round. Now seven years later and after seven years of rebuilding the team, they are still at the bottom of the division (Ottawa will pass them).

They are slated for a sixth pick (and Calgary's pick not top ten) but that with what they have won't push them into the upper four, but rather they will still be stuck in the Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo half of the division.

So, no winner yet, and might as well just keep trying to get worse to get better, but looks like another three years (at least) added of just slipping and sliding with the also rans.

PS: Unfortunately, the scenario highlights when after seven years of rebuilding, the bookies make Buffalo the favorite when playing against Montreal in Montreal.

we've been rebuilding for seven years ??? what lmao

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Problem is, the Habs haven't had a decent team since 2016 where they went out first round. Now seven years later and after seven years of rebuilding the team, they are still at the bottom of the division (Ottawa will pass them).

They are slated for a sixth pick (and Calgary's pick not top ten) but that with what they have won't push them into the upper four, but rather they will still be stuck in the Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo half of the division.

So, no winner yet, and might as well just keep trying to get worse to get better, but looks like another three years (at least) added of just slipping and sliding with the also rans.

PS: Unfortunately, the scenario highlights when after seven years of rebuilding, the bookies make Buffalo the favorite when playing against Montreal in Montreal.

You probably know this already but to respond to your post we have to do a recounting of history. Let's dissect MBs tenure into 3 eras: 2012-2018 spring, 2018 summer to 2020 year end, and 2021. The first era is when they were mostly depending on price to get them deep and not putting the pieces in front of him to take advantage of his prime. He should've been fired after that era but wasn't so we get to the second era where MB declares a retool. This was not a rebuild, far from it. Besides Pacioretty, the core remained and pieces around the changed. Besides KK, drafting was pretty good and MB acquired good pieces like Suzuki, Toffoli, etc either through trade or signing. This takes us to the third era. No matter what you or I think, we can classify that team as good as they made a finals. And swept one team to get there.

That Habs team, as imperfect as it was, was suited for playoff time. It was the anti-Leafs. In that respect, for what they accomplished, the retool which was MBs second era was pretty successful in what it was able to generate. 2021 summer and beyond was mostly out of MBs hands as it pertained to the cup run players either leaving or going out with injury. He hamstrung the Habs with terrible long term contracts pre and post 2021 cup run that pretty much made it impossible for the Habs to be good.

I state all that to say, the Habs haven't been rebuilding for several years. Their retool and the current rebuild can't even be mentioned together. They served different purposes. MBs was to build off an existing, aging core in hopes of them being competitive. So you can't add MBs tenure and the current iteration of the Habs together in good faith.

 

[Gustave]

we've been rebuilding for seven years ??? what lmao

I refuse to consider our run to the Finals as lucky, undeserved and « not counting ».

Good luck to go say that to Price Weber Perry and expect anything other than a slap behind the head.

MB made moves (the ones he should’ve made 5 years prior) and he went for it. It almost paid off.

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

Problem is, the Habs haven't had a decent team since 2016 where they went out first round. Now seven years later and after seven years of rebuilding the team, they are still at the bottom of the division (Ottawa will pass them).

They are slated for a sixth pick (and Calgary's pick not top ten) but that with what they have won't push them into the upper four, but rather they will still be stuck in the Detroit, Ottawa, Buffalo half of the division.

So, no winner yet, and might as well just keep trying to get worse to get better, but looks like another three years (at least) added of just slipping and sliding with the also rans.

PS: Unfortunately, the scenario highlights when after seven years of rebuilding, the bookies make Buffalo the favorite when playing against Montreal in Montreal.

The rebuild started 2 years ago, we’ve been trash since 2017 because Bergevin was a clown who had no clue how to build a team. He never committed to a rebuild, he was just bad at his job.

 

[HabsForHire]

I refuse to consider our run to the Finals as lucky, undeserved and « not counting ».

Good luck to go say that to Price Weber Perry and expect anything other than a slap behind the head.

MB made moves (the ones he should’ve made 5 years prior) and he went for it. It almost paid off.

we haven't been rebuilding for seven years is what I'm saying

 

[Gustave]

we haven't been rebuilding for seven years is what I'm saying

I know, so am I , I was shocked to see a seven year period when we totally went for broke in the last two MB years

 

[RealityBytes]

we've been rebuilding for seven years ??? what lmao

Retool?? Rebuild?? Same thing. Just trying to get better. Any difference is just splitting hairs with semantics.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Capitals got a point against Florida.

Ottawa currently tied with Vegas

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Retool?? Rebuild?? Same thing. Just trying to get better. Any difference is just splitting hairs with semantics.

Thats inaccurate. Retools pertain to adding new pieces around a mostly existing core. Rebuilds pertain to the creation of a new core and starting from the ground up. What Rags did in the late 2010s and what Chicago is currently doing are objectively different and should be classified as such

 

[vokiel]

Thats inaccurate. Retools pertain to adding new pieces around a mostly existing core. Rebuilds pertain to the creation of a new core and starting from the ground up. What Rags did in the late 2010s and what Chicago is currently doing are objectively different and should be classified as such

Rebuilding team: Does not care about wins and playoffs.
Retooling team: Cares about wins and playoffs.

That's not splitting hairs on semantics.

 

[RealityBytes]

The rebuild started 2 years ago, we’ve been trash since 2017 because Bergevin was a clown who had no clue how to build a team. He never committed to a rebuild, he was just bad at his job.

So what was Bergevin doing, intentionally trying to make the team worse?

Although, he did screw it up. messed up the Habs image, and Molson really had to get rid of him.

 

[RealityBytes]

Thats inaccurate. Retools pertain to adding new pieces around a mostly existing core. Rebuilds pertain to the creation of a new core and starting from the ground up. What Rags did in the late 2010s and what Chicago is currently doing are objectively different and should be classified as such

If that definition makes you feel better, so be it, but it is splitting hairs. With both it comes to the same thing, they are trying to build a better team.

So what are Habs doing now as per your definitions? Retooling or Rebuilding? ... in trying to build a better team?

 

[SwiftyHab]

Sens with 3 straight goals!

 

[Ozmodiar]

I know, so am I , I was shocked to see a seven year period when we totally went for broke in the last two MB years

GMs usually make a few mistakes in the final year or two before being canned. Desperation sets in.

MB thought he could win a Cup by recreating the Barbarian Horse Battle scene from Gladiator. I’ll be damned if it didn’t almost work.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

So what was Bergevin doing, intentionally trying to make the team worse?

Although, he did screw it up. messed up the Habs image, and Molson really had to get rid of him.

He realizwd the team was not good enough around its core at the time (Price, Weber, etc) and took 3 offseasons to acquire the right pieces to surround them

 

[CAUFIELD]

The sens aren’t a threat anymore . They have a decent lineup and I’m 100% sure they finish higher than us.

Arizona and CBJ are the vilains now . Hopefully we’ll give Zona their 1st win in a long time Tuesday !!

 

[WeThreeKings]

The sens aren’t a threat anymore . They have a decent lineup and I’m 100% sure they finish higher than us.

Arizona and CBJ are the vilains now . Hopefully we’ll give Zona their 1st win in a long time Tuesday !!

Everyone's a threat until they're 10 pts up in my mind.