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Loser strategy to play for the tie. Coward hockey in Monteal.
HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread
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WinterLion
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I can't wait until we trade away some player and get another 1st so we can cheers for two teams to lose!
MarkovsKnee
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Arizona has faded big time after a pretty good start. Montreal is only one point back of them now. Arizona does have a game in hand.
Senaturds got absolutely rolled over by the Rangers. 7-2 win by NYR. We're back to being 10 pts up on Ottawa. They play 2 games next week while Montreal is on their bye week.
The one point means we jumped over both Calgary & Minnesota. We're one point up on both. We need them to at least get a point tonight preferably 2.
Currently, we're in 8th draft spot, but we'll be back down to #6 if Flames & Wild get points.
Wild lead 2-1 early 2nd period. Flames game just started.
Senaturds got absolutely rolled over by the Rangers. 7-2 win by NYR. We're back to being 10 pts up on Ottawa. They play 2 games next week while Montreal is on their bye week.
The one point means we jumped over both Calgary & Minnesota. We're one point up on both. We need them to at least get a point tonight preferably 2.
Currently, we're in 8th draft spot, but we'll be back down to #6 if Flames & Wild get points.
Wild lead 2-1 early 2nd period. Flames game just started.
Gravity
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Yes but I am talking about the season as a whole. I hate the intentionally play for the tie crap.
MarkovsKnee
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Yeesh, stupid Wild actually lost to Anaheim. 
Calgary beats Chicago 1-0, so Montreal ends the night holding the #7 pick.
Calgary beats Chicago 1-0, so Montreal ends the night holding the #7 pick.
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The Great Weal
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Columbus choked a 4-1 lead. Do yourself a favor and don't think about catching up to them lol
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I think we fall off once Monahan is traded. Draft 6thYeesh, stupid Wild actually lost to Anaheim.
Calgary beats Chicago 1-0, so Montreal ends the night holding the #7 pick.
MarkovsKnee
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Yes, if we trade Monahan it'll hurt us offensively for sure, and we'll probably fall off. If we trade, Savard I think the D falls off a cliff. He's been our best defensive defenseman by far. I would like to hold on to him and have him as Hutson's partner. Trade him at 2025 TD.
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MarkovsKnee
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Yeah, bottom 4 teams will be Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim & Columbus again. We just can't out tank those 4 teams. Order will be different, but 2023 & 2024 will have the same bottom 4 teams.
Montreal, I expect to finish 5-7. But, Ottawa catching us is becoming a bit of a stretch even with their 4 games in hand. Probably finish 6th.
MarkovsKnee
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Kings - Blues game is at 2 pm. Just need Blues to get a point really. They're starting to gain some distance from Montreal. It's pretty much a must win for LA. They're getting perilously close to being out of a playoff spot.
Kraken play Jackets. Definitely need Seattle to pick up 2 pts there. They're only 2 points up on Montreal, and this is their game in hand on Habs.
Kraken play Jackets. Definitely need Seattle to pick up 2 pts there. They're only 2 points up on Montreal, and this is their game in hand on Habs.
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Yeah we basically have to finish the season at Ducharme levels of losing in order to catch them which seems very doubtful. And Ottawa is not that different except there's some small hope that they can put together a big winning streak.
The bigger tank concern is that teams like Arizona, Washington, and Calgary might go on a losing streak.
Elvis is dog shit. Not catching Columbus unless they get a real goaltender.
With their goaltenders Ottawa isn't likely to catch the Habs
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Kobe Armstrong
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How do the tankers feel about a team like the Dallas Stars?
A team that was perpetually picking 10-14 but refused to tank. They stunk it up extra bad one year with injuries and got Miro Heiskanen 3rd overall.
After picking Miro they went back to the 10-14 range for a couple of years, but since then they have been on a crazy upswing and are now pretty easily a top-5 Cup Contender in the league.
Was tanking to pick Miro the key to their success? Or was it picking Robertson and Hintz with 2nd round picks?
They kept their veteran core together through everything and only tanked one year, made smart choices with the draft picks they kept, and now it looks like they have a very bright future even after Seguin and Benn are gone.
Just another example to counter the narrative that good teams are only built through 3-5 years of consecutive misery.
A team that was perpetually picking 10-14 but refused to tank. They stunk it up extra bad one year with injuries and got Miro Heiskanen 3rd overall.
After picking Miro they went back to the 10-14 range for a couple of years, but since then they have been on a crazy upswing and are now pretty easily a top-5 Cup Contender in the league.
Was tanking to pick Miro the key to their success? Or was it picking Robertson and Hintz with 2nd round picks?
They kept their veteran core together through everything and only tanked one year, made smart choices with the draft picks they kept, and now it looks like they have a very bright future even after Seguin and Benn are gone.
Just another example to counter the narrative that good teams are only built through 3-5 years of consecutive misery.
WinterLion
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I definitely think that there are several ways to get there... and all require some pure luck. One thing that is extremely important is not paying players more than they are worth... in that regard I feel like high profile picks/players can sometimes be a problem..
Perfect result in the 1st game. OT win for Blues and LA gets the loser point. Need lots of OT games to make up all the loser pts Habs are accumulating.
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Most people aren't very bright, so anyone that says that good teams are only built through tanking are wrong as it's just shortsighted to think there aren't many ways to win.
Tanking is just one small part and it's the easy one, there's a ton you have to get right after and only so many teams will be able to pull this off.
At the end of the day you have to be right a decent amount more then you are wrong. The Habs for years were the opposite, they got things right but just way, way too many things wrong. So once that happens you are f***ed and good luck trying to fix it as it may never happen or it could take what feels like forever as look at how long the leafs have gone without a cup.
Shit goes wrong and it can be nearly impossible to right the ship, that's why it all starts at the top, you have to have the right people making the right decisions more often then making the wrong ones. Only time will tell who is making the right choices and who isn't. I don't follow the Stars or any other NHL club so I can't speak to them but they appear to be able to scout/draft and develop, that's a really good start to turning things around so it seems like whoever is running the show over there is making good calls.
LaP
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Nobody ever said that tanking is the only way to build a good team.
But then again you conveniently brush away like if it was nothing the fact they drafted 3rd overall because it fits your narrative. Also you brush away the fact that they got Jason Robertson and Hintz in the 2nd round because it also fits your narrative. Try to replicate those two 2nd round pick in 2 years and i wish you very very very good luck you'll need it.
The point people are making since the very beginning as early as the 90ies is good players are drafted and it's easier to draft them top 10 than in the 2nd round and later like Robertson and Hintz. It's also easier if you have multiple top 100 picks cause the draft is not a perfect science and you need luck and more picks = more chances to be lucky.
You can argue as long as you want but being a bubble team is not a sound strategy. The Montreal Canadiens of the last 30 years is a very good example of that. Good players are drafted. Dallas is a very good example of that thank you for bringing it up honestly. Pretty much all their important players were drafted. So if you can't compete for a cup you should try to grab picks and in the process you'll lose more games than you'll win and draft in the top 10.
MarkovsKnee
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Yeah, it really was. Both teams 6 pts up on us now, but Montreal played at a .500 pace (5-5-3) in January, while LAK went .321 (2-7-5).
If those paces hold, LAK finish with around 76 pts and Montreal around 80 pts. Hopefully with a Monahan trade Montreal gets a little worse, and LAKs start to play a little better.
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LaP
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I agree. We are fighting for that 6th pick.
Dickinson, Silayev and Levshunov all have a very good chances to be drafted top 5. So if we draft 6th it means we have a very good chance that one of Lindstrom, Demidov or Eiserman is available and i would not be mad with any of those.
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