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We need another Dach type trade, a star UFA signing a home run pick or a lucky lottery win at this point cause we ain’t finishing close to top 3…for years
 
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Gravity said:
I'm underwhelmed with the rebuilding/tank results.
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You can't be underwhelmed by the results until a few years down the road when we know who pans out and how. If you're underwhelmed now after only 2 years, then it's because you have no patience to see how it plays out.
 
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Gravity said:
I'm underwhelmed with the rebuilding/tank results.
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The fact you expected a result after two years is mind boggling honestly. KH could have kept all those kids in AHL and junior and the result would be the same without the negative hot takes. Our core young players are not ready to be part of a winning NHL core. Guhle is only 21. Slaf is only 19. Suzuki and Caufield can't do everything alone. The vets accumulated by the previous administration sucks and are not helping and are not tradable until the last year of their contract except maybe Anderson but we probably want to keep him for now.

I see lot of positive things this season. Xhekaj and Mailloux are currently dominating the AHL. Roy is doing well in his rookie AHL season. Guhle is solid defensively. Guhle is still raw but it will come with more experience. Slaf is impressive physically which is very rare for a 19 years old player. Wait for him to mature 2-3 more years before making a judgement call. Anyone who pretend Slaf did not progress this season is not watching the games or is disingenuous. Reinbacher is maybe playing for the worst pro team in all Europe so it's hard to evaluate him i hope we will bring him in NA next season he's wasting his time with this sorry *** team. Also that overage Russian dman we drafted looks very interesting so far.

I wish Suzuki and Caufield would be better but technically they were already there and not really part of the rebuild in itself. They are more the pre-existing foundation you try to build on. Those two alone were never going to be enough. We obviously still need to draft top 10 and go add more guys to the core which is totally normal since KH was named two years ago only. I expect us to need two more drafts to be in a good position. Top 10 this year with hopefully another late first acquired at deadline. Top 15 next season with Calgary 1st hopefully being in the 11-14 range. After that we can talk.
 
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We're currently on pace for 80 points, which would put us ~8th by last year's standings.

Just like last year, I'm guessing our points percentage drops as the season goes on and the team starts to realize they're out of it.

So I'm guessing we end up with somewhere around 6-7 OA.

Not perfect, but still in the range of getting a prime player.
 
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TheBuriedHab said:
Dach can really swing this rebuild.

If he becomes a legit 1A we are cooking. If he stays injury prone or just is a guy then we are in some trouble.
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I'm worried about how well he can rehab the knee with tearing both the MCL and ACL simultaneously. He may well take a year of playing to start to feel right again. Then he's just lost so much development time.

I don't say that to be a doomer, but I think it's worth mentioning considering a large portion of the rebuild rests on his shoulders.
 
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Looks like Washington is falling off again, which was expected. They're only 5 pts up on us & we have a game in hand.

Sabres play the Sharks tomorrow, while Montreal has Colorado. Hopefully, Buffalo is able to finally pass us, although again Montreal has a game in hand.

There's a ton of afternoon games tomorrow, so I guess it's a US holiday. President's Day?
 
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If we are relying on Dach we will be in big trouble going forward

Good player but has never managed to play a full season at any level
 
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LaP said:
The fact you expected a result after two years is mind boggling honestly. KH could have kept all those kids in AHL and junior and the result would be the same without the negative hot takes. Our core young players are not ready to be part of a winning NHL core. Guhle is only 21. Slaf is only 19. Suzuki and Caufield can't do everything alone. The vets accumulated by the previous administration sucks and are not helping and are not tradable until the last year of their contract except maybe Anderson but we probably want to keep him for now.

I see lot of positive things this season. Xhekaj and Mailloux are currently dominating the AHL. Roy is doing well in his rookie AHL season. Guhle is solid defensively. Guhle is still raw but it will come with more experience. Slaf is impressive physically which is very rare for a 19 years old player. Wait for him to mature 2-3 more years before making a judgement call. Anyone who pretend Slaf did not progress this season is not watching the games or is disingenuous. Reinbacher is maybe playing for the worst pro team in all Europe so it's hard to evaluate him i hope we will bring him in NA next season he's wasting his time with this sorry *** team. Also that overage Russian dman we drafted looks very interesting so far.

I wish Suzuki and Caufield would be better but technically they were already there and not really part of the rebuild in itself. They are more the pre-existing foundation you try to build on. Those two alone were never going to be enough. We obviously still need to draft top 10 and go add more guys to the core which is totally normal since KH was named two years ago only. I expect us to need two more drafts to be in a good position. Top 10 this year with hopefully another late first acquired at deadline. Top 15 next season with Calgary 1st hopefully being in the 11-14 range. After that we can talk.
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Underwhelmed that we're exiting tanking without some crucial holes plugged.
I think also think Suzuki, CC and Guhle are vastly overrated by our fan base. Played a hot goalie during crucial drafting years. Half-assed with a meh haul so far.

But I totally agree with you about AHL positives, I.e. Roy and Mailloux.
 
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Gravity said:
Underwhelmed that we're exiting tanking without some crucial holes plugged.
I think also think Suzuki, CC and Guhle are vastly overrated by our fan base. Played a hot goalie during crucial drafting years. Half-assed with a meh haul so far.
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Meh because they didn't pick who YOU wanted. Too soon, deal with it sunshine.
 
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Most fired up fans saw their season end as soon as Dach went down. Then Newhook starts showing good things and he gets hurt. Horrible season.
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Seeing dach go down for the year after one game sure felt like a huge punch to the gut.

He's the guy I just knew was ready for a breakout and he completely changes the dynamic of this team.
 
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I'm with Gravity also. I wasn't expecting Cup contention in year 2 of the rebuild but let's be serious here. Let's compare other teams that tanked/rebuilt recently, then maybe you might get where Gravity & I are coming from.

Habs: Slaf and Popcorn.
Hawks: Toews and Kane.
Pens: Fleury and Malkin then followed by Crosby and J. Staal.

I won't do a deeper dive with later 1st picks or picks made in the 2nd round or later, because the Hawks hit on later picks.

Then there are teams like Tampa and Boston who built contending teams with later picks, while muffing most of their early picks.

And before you scoff saying that we don't know what we have yet with Slaf et al, let's not forget that this organization last drafted and developed a prospect that broke 70 points once since 1993. (Saku Koivu). Don't ask me to hold my breath with what we have in the pipeline, 'cause I don't see a superstar waiting to appear.

The cold hard truth is that goaltending has covered up the lack of star power since the Dynasty ended in 1979.

Another hard to swallow fact is that this team has been a true contender at the start of a season once since the Dynasty (1989).

This team is great at drafting/acquiring above average support players, but seem allergic to top level talent.

These teams also have an advantage over the Habs because come July 1 every year important UFAs always prefer them.

I will always love this team, but to quote Kent Hughes after commenting on Slaf's first training camp, the rebuild thus far has been "underwhelming".
 
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Anardil said:
I'm with Gravity also. I wasn't expecting Cup contention in year 2 of the rebuild but let's be serious here. Let's compare other teams that tanked/rebuilt recently, then maybe you might get where Gravity & I are coming from.

Habs: Slaf and Popcorn.
Hawks: Toews and Kane.
Pens: Fleury and Malkin then followed by Crosby and J. Staal.

I won't do a deeper dive with later 1st picks or picks made in the 2nd round or later, because the Hawks hit on later picks.

Then there are teams like Tampa and Boston who built contending teams with later picks, while muffing most of their early picks.

And before you scoff saying that we don't know what we have yet with Slaf et al, let's not forget that this organization last drafted and developed a prospect that broke 70 points once since 1993. (Saku Koivu). Don't ask me to hold my breath with what we have in the pipeline, 'cause I don't see a superstar waiting to appear.

The cold hard truth is that goaltending has covered up the lack of star power since the Dynasty ended in 1979.

Another hard to swallow fact is that this team has been a true contender at the start of a season once since the Dynasty (1989).

This team is great at drafting/acquiring above average support players, but seem allergic to top level talent.

These teams also have an advantage over the Habs because come July 1 every year important UFAs always prefer them.

I will always love this team, but to quote Kent Hughes after commenting on Slaf's first training camp, the rebuild thus far has been "underwhelming".
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Well what do you want the Habs to do when there is nobody at Toews level in the 2022 draft? Even if Slaf becomes the best player of the draft, he might still never be as good as Toews. Not to mention that the Hawks were 6th last when they won Kane, lottery luck is a massive factor.

It's been two years, rebuilds don't happen overnight. Especially when we are loaded with dog shit contracts.

You guys are pretending like we passed up on proven NHL superstar talent. The only player that can fit that mold in these past two years would be Bedard which came down to pure luck. Carlsson/Fantilli will probably be excellent players too, but not top 10 forwards in the league which is what a star forward would be for us.

Before the Avs became a top team, they drafted Matt Duchene at 3rd overall, Hishon at 17th overall, and Landeskog at 2nd overall. None of those guys are forwards that can be your best one on a cup contender. Then got Mackinnon with their 1st overall, Bleackley at 23rd overall, Rantanen at 10th, Jost at 10th, and Makar at 4. So it took them 5 years to get a star forward in Mackinnon, then an additional 5 years to get that superstar dman they desperately needed in Makar.
 
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MarkovsKnee said:
Looks like Washington is falling off again, which was expected. They're only 5 pts up on us & we have a game in hand.

Sabres play the Sharks tomorrow, while Montreal has Colorado. Hopefully, Buffalo is able to finally pass us, although again Montreal has a game in hand.

There's a ton of afternoon games tomorrow, so I guess it's a US holiday. President's Day?
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But we keep getting points... We won't make it to bottom 6. 8-11 spot, the dreaded draft spot that followed us all through the Darby years (or Houle days:laugh:).

We are not getting what we need no matter what in this draft, so might as well hope for Monty to become a #1 and that next season Dach gets a running start.
 
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Anardil said:
I'm with Gravity also. I wasn't expecting Cup contention in year 2 of the rebuild but let's be serious here. Let's compare other teams that tanked/rebuilt recently, then maybe you might get where Gravity & I are coming from.

Habs: Slaf and Popcorn.
Hawks: Toews and Kane.
Pens: Fleury and Malkin then followed by Crosby and J. Staal.
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Wait so you think 17+ years ago is a recent rebuild?
 
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