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Blue Jays Discussion: The off-season is on. (Robbie Ray wins AL Cy Young)

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Leafs at Knight said:
88 wins, all it takes. Baseball lol.
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In the last 4 years the Braves have made the playoffs in 4 straight years. If they played in any other division in 2018 or 2021, they would have missed the playoffs.

Good for them capitalizing on the opportunity presented to them.
 
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It's funny - AA owes this victory to Bautista.

Bautista criticized him back in the day for not making deadline moves to improve the team for the stretch run. AA said that left an impression on him, and he wasn't going to make the same mistake.

Sure enough, he makes a ton of additions at the tdl and gets his reward.
 
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Kurtz said:
It's funny - AA owes this victory to Bautista.

Bautista criticized him back in the day for not making deadline moves to improve the team for the stretch run. AA said that left an impression on him, and he wasn't going to make the same mistake.

Sure enough, he makes a ton of additions at the tdl and gets his reward.
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Yep, and losing Acuna for the year certainly made the decision easier.
 
Seath The Scaleless said:
Yep, and losing Acuna for the year certainly made the decision easier.
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Honestly, they were a 500 team who just lost probably their best guy...and had a multitude of injuries to other key players...a lot of gms would have pulled the plug. Kudos to AA for deciding to take a chance despite that.

I had a bet on the Braves to win the WS before the season started (11:1 odds too good ) but figured it was dead money after Acuna injury. I'll smoke a Monte Cristo for Alex.
 
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Best part of the Braves winning the WS is the offseason begins.

November 3: The beginning of a five-day period where teams and players must decide whether to exercise or decline contract options and opt-out clauses for the 2022 season. Eligible free agents cannot sign with anyone but their current team for five more days.

November 7, 4:00 pm CST: The deadline for teams to issue qualifying offers (one-year, $18.4MM contracts) to eligible free agents. For a breakdown of the draft choices teams would forfeit by signing a qualified free agent, see here.

November 8: Free agency officially opens.

November 8-11: General managers’ meetings, hosted in Carlsbad, California.

November 17: Deadline for players tagged with a qualifying offer to accept or reject the QO.

November 19: Deadline for teams to add players to the 40-man roster to keep them from selection in the Rule 5 draft.

December 1, 11:59 pm: Expiration of the current collective bargaining agreement. If MLB and the MLBPA do not agree on a new CBA by then, the league may institute a lockout that freezes teams’ ability to make transactions until negotiations are resolved.

December 2: The deadline for teams to tender contracts to arbitration-eligible players.

December 6-9: Winter meetings scheduled to take place in Orlando, Florida.

December 8: Rule 5 draft.

December 15: Conclusion of the 2020-21 international amateur signing period. Typically scheduled to run from July through June, the 2020-21 and 2021-22 international signing periods were delayed to run from January through December as part of MLB’s COVID-19 rules changes.

January 14, 2022: Date for teams and arbitration-eligible players to exchange filing figures. Teams and players are still free to settle and avoid arbitration after this date, although many clubs elect to proceed with a “file-and-trial” strategy — essentially deciding to proceed to a hearing with any players with whom a settlement is not reached by then.

January 15, 2022: The scheduled start of the 2021-22 international amateur signing period. The 2021-22 period is scheduled to run through December 15, 2022.

February 26, 2022: First games of Spring Training.

March 31, 2022: Opening Day.
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Kurtz said:
Honestly, they were a 500 team who just lost probably their best guy...and had a multitude of injuries to other key players...a lot of gms would have pulled the plug. Kudos to AA for deciding to take a chance despite that.

I had a bet on the Braves to win the WS before the season started (11:1 odds too good ) but figured it was dead money after Acuna injury. I'll smoke a Monte Cristo for Alex.
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I wouldn't even say he "took a chance" because the cost to make those deadline additions was next to nothing, so why not go for it?

I think it says a ton about his ability to evaluate talent that he could add four guys having awful seasons and have them all explode the rest of the way, though. He's an amazing GM.
 
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Congrats AA.
 
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Congrats to AA. But enough already, lets start the off season. Qualify Ray, Semien and Matz. Lets restart discussions left behind at trade deadline to see where those teams stand right now (Ramirez, Chapman). Start prioritizing our own and start discussions to see where their heads are at. Let's goooooo.
 
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Le Cobra said:
Congrats AA...you have created championship teams wherever you go. Blue Jays, Dodgers and now the Braves.
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He didnt win a championship in Toronto, and wasnt the mastermind behind the Dodgers doing so he was an associate. Braves would be the first one to his resume as a lead role. But neither here or there. Still congrats are in order.
 
It's sour grapes but f*** AA and f*** the Braves

Those 2012 trades should not be forgiven or forgotten so easily. How he thought this team would a world series contender with Thole and Navvarro as their catching battery will always be hilarious

Good on him for realizing that he sucked and taking a demotion to learn under Friedman and geniuses behind the Dodgers

But the Braves are a lucky ass team playing in the worse division possible and a lucky ass GM that got handed to him one of the more stacked prospect pools ever.

The Acuna and Albies contract should be deemed illegal. It's like the Leafs signing Matthews and Nylander to 4 and 3 a piece for max term
 
Scorvat said:
It's sour grapes but f*** AA and f*** the Braves

Those 2012 trades should not be forgiven or forgotten so easily. How he thought this team would a world series contender with Thole and Navvarro as their catching battery will always be hilarious

Good on him for realizing that he sucked and taking a demotion to learn under Friedman and geniuses behind the Dodgers

But the Braves are a lucky ass team playing in the worse division possible and a lucky ass GM that got handed to him one of the more stacked prospect pools ever.

The Acuna and Albies contract should be deemed illegal. It's like the Leafs signing Matthews and Nylander to 4 and 3 a piece for max term
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That's an Acuna/Albies/agent/PA problem, not an AA problem. That's an example of AA being amazing at his job.
 
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So with only 4 days until qualifying offers have to be issued do we think the Jays give one to Matz? I think he’d almost certainly accept it so it feels like they won’t but I wouldn’t be surprised. Matz for 1 year at 18.4 isn’t that bad, it’s probably market value, but with a loss of pick attached it puts him in a bad enough spot he probably has to take it so the small reward of getting a pick if the off chance he declines isn’t really worth the potential using up a large chunk of payroll if that prevents something else later in the off-season with bigger holes than a 5th starting pitcher.
 
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So with only 4 days until qualifying offers have to be issued do we think the Jays give one to Matz? I think he’d almost certainly accept it so it feels like they won’t but I wouldn’t be surprised. Matz for 1 year at 18.4 isn’t that bad, it’s probably market value, but with a loss of pick attached it puts him in a bad enough spot he probably has to take it so the small reward of getting a pick if the off chance he declines isn’t really worth the potential using up a large chunk of payroll if that prevents something else later in the off-season with bigger holes than a 5th starting pitcher.
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I don't think they're going to do it because they have other positions they need to address (including Ray, or at least another pitcher better than Matz) that could be hampered by having that much tied up in Matz, even for just one year. But at this point I'm kind of ok with taking the chance on it in hopes that they can leverage it into a 2/24 or 3/33 deal or something like that.

This is where it would be nice to have an owner who offers a bit of flexibility so they can take risks like this without worrying about having room to make other moves.
 
Scorvat said:
It's sour grapes but f*** AA and f*** the Braves

Those 2012 trades should not be forgiven or forgotten so easily. How he thought this team would a world series contender with Thole and Navvarro as their catching battery will always be hilarious

Good on him for realizing that he sucked and taking a demotion to learn under Friedman and geniuses behind the Dodgers

But the Braves are a lucky ass team playing in the worse division possible and a lucky ass GM that got handed to him one of the more stacked prospect pools ever.

The Acuna and Albies contract should be deemed illegal. It's like the Leafs signing Matthews and Nylander to 4 and 3 a piece for max term
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Cry.
 
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