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Le Tricolore said:


First team is:

Koivu
Kovalev
Plekanec
Weber
Markov
Price

Second team is:
Suzuki
Pacioretty
Gallagher
Subban
Souray
Theodore

What do you all think? Personally, I wouldn't have Plekanec ahead of Pacioretty or Suzuki and while I never liked Kovalev, I get it. I'd also have Petry over Souray.
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Blah overall...

But if we're on the topic, I think I'd have Pacioretty on the first team as well, and then Caufield over Plekanec on the second team.

As also Cammalleri and Radulov give Gallagher a run for his money. It depends if you go quantity over quality...

And I'd want to find a way to put Kovalchuk somewhere!

No problem with Petry over Souray. But Hamrlik may be the better overall D?

Habs said:
what a pathetic collection of talent for 25 years. Show what a failure the Molson family is. The odd stud like Suzuki and Price. The first round talent this team passed lol

Price and Suzuki - sure
but for 25 years ?

K , that's my negativity for the day
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They missed Radulov, Caufield, Cammalleri, Hamerlik. That would increase the talent.
 
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26Mats said:
Blah overall...

But if we're on the topic, I think I'd have Pacioretty on the first team as well, and then Caufield over Plekanec on the second team.

As also Cammalleri and Radulov give Gallagher a run for his money. It depends if you go quantity over quality...

And I'd want to find a way to put Kovalchuk somewhere!

No problem with Petry over Souray. But Hamrlik may be the better overall D?



They missed Radulov, Caufield, Cammalleri, Hamerlik. That would increase the talent.
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Radulov played one season and Kovalchuk played 22 games.. Neither of them should be anywhere near the Habs all star teams for the last 25 years.
 
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Le Tricolore said:


First team is:

Koivu
Kovalev
Plekanec
Weber
Markov
Price

Second team is:
Suzuki
Pacioretty
Gallagher
Subban
Souray
Theodore

What do you all think? Personally, I wouldn't have Plekanec ahead of Pacioretty or Suzuki and while I never liked Kovalev, I get it. I'd also have Petry over Souray.
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If the criteria is career stats, I suppose that is a good list. But I would take Caufield all day over Gallagher and Lane over Souray.
 
Le Tricolore said:


First team is:

Koivu
Kovalev
Plekanec
Weber
Markov
Price

Second team is:
Suzuki
Pacioretty
Gallagher
Subban
Souray
Theodore

What do you all think? Personally, I wouldn't have Plekanec ahead of Pacioretty or Suzuki and while I never liked Kovalev, I get it. I'd also have Petry over Souray.
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Ouff pretty bad... let's hope the next one will be better!
 
ReHabs said:
Weber over Subban is insane.

Subban had 55 playoff games with the Habs and picked up 38pts. I think he led the Habs in playoff points every season too. He was a huge contributor and for a longer time and hit higher highs personally.

Pacioretty should be on the first team over Plekanec, you're right.
Souray hit higher highs than Petry so I get that one.
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Pacioretty over Plek is completely bullshit.

Subban vs Weber is interchangeable, edge goes to Weber for the long term impact he had on the culture

Frankenheimer said:
If the criteria is career stats, I suppose that is a good list. But I would take Caufield all day over Gallagher and Lane over Souray.
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Unlucky for you but hockey was also played prior to 2016
 
Lshap said:
Weber being severely underrated in this thread. It's close, and Subban had more highlight reel moments, but Weber made a bigger overall impact on team success.
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It's close if you were just taking either of them at their peak (even in MTL) but Subban had a good chunk more games (regular season and playoffs) and Weber spent a lot of the back half of his time in MTL slowed by injuries even when he was able to play, he clearly wasn't the same dude night to night.

Weber obviously had a clear leadership component PK didn't but PK's energy was really important on those good 2013-2015 teams, especially in big games.

I honestly don't care a ton about these kinds of things and Weber obviously had the better career big picture but just factoring their time in MTL and where they were in their careers, I'd probably just defer to the GP gap as a deciding factor.
 
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Le Tricolore said:


First team is:

Koivu
Kovalev
Plekanec
Weber
Markov
Price

Second team is:
Suzuki
Pacioretty
Gallagher
Subban
Souray
Theodore

What do you all think? Personally, I wouldn't have Plekanec ahead of Pacioretty or Suzuki and while I never liked Kovalev, I get it. I'd also have Petry over Souray.
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First team hell of a good team. Only I would put Pacioretty over Plekanec. Patches better goal scorer
 
Father Roy Richards said:
It's close if you were just taking either of them at their peak (even in MTL) but Subban had a good chunk more games (regular season and playoffs) and Weber spent a lot of the back half of his time in MTL slowed by injuries even when he was able to play, he clearly wasn't the same dude night to night.

Weber obviously had a clear leadership component PK didn't but PK's energy was really important on those good 2013-2015 teams, especially in big games.

I honestly don't care a ton about these kinds of things and Weber obviously had the better career big picture but just factoring their time in MTL and where they were in their careers, I'd probably just defer to the GP gap as a deciding factor.
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People still have strong feelings about these two players; it often goes beyond what Subban/Weber contributed and strays into more personal perceptions. People see what they want to see – little point debating when we're comparing two great, but very different, players.

I liked Subban better as a Hab. Individually, he was one of the most dynamic players I've ever seen on our team, plus he was part of the community to an extent few players have been. But if I'm choosing the QB for my team's defence, I'll pick Weber. He made his defensive partners better and the team better as a whole.

One guy who's underrated is Petry. He was fantastic for us and wouldn't be out of place on the 2nd team. He had it all. His only limitation was consistency, however he saved his best for the highest stakes.
 
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Le Tricolore said:


First team is:

Koivu
Kovalev
Plekanec
Weber
Markov
Price

Second team is:
Suzuki
Pacioretty
Gallagher
Subban
Souray
Theodore

What do you all think? Personally, I wouldn't have Plekanec ahead of Pacioretty or Suzuki and while I never liked Kovalev, I get it. I'd also have Petry over Souray.
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Sorry, but I can't find Desharnais anywhere on these lists:huh:
 
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+1 to the Subban over Weber camp. The trade, ultimately, ended up being a wash but in terms of individual greatness while they were here, Subban won a Norris and was a playoff beast. We got further with Weber and maybe he ultimately had a better impact in the locker room but that's just my two cents.

Patches belongs on the first team, but I'm fine with him not getting it because I don't like him and he can suck it.

All in all, shows you what the Habs have been about for the last 25 years (and why it's been so frustrating as a fan sometimes) and that's the collective of the team. It's why I rarely ever take Habs in fantasy drafts and why we haven't had a PPG since Kovalev (rooting for you Nick).

Hard to argue against relative results (a decent amount of playoff success) but when it's bad, it's really bad.
 
I like these guys and had a lot of fun at the Bell Center during the Kovalev-Markov-Souray-Koivu years, but man if I take a step back : pretty pathetic to have such little REALLY GREAT talents in 25 years. I was 7 years old when they won the cup in 1993 and I've not really had the chance to see a real offensive force (like a top 10 forwards) in all those years.

Still those guys gave us some great underdogs moments in the playoffs, which is better than half the teams in the league during that same stretch.
 
Le Tricolore said:
Radulov played one season and Kovalchuk played 22 games.. Neither of them should be anywhere near the Habs all star teams for the last 25 years.
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Neither should Cammaleri.

Caufield has exceeded anything MC did with the Habs.
- total points and goals
- point and goal season high
- went farther in playoffs

If Gallagher had a challenger, it’s him.
 
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rickthegoon said:
I think old geezers like me will agree; these 2 all star teams are just plain said.
Of all the guys there, probably only Price cracks the 2nd team of the previous 25 years.
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The previous 25 years would just be a lineup full of players from the 70s... while sprinkling in Roy and chelios from the 80s.
 
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