The Next Ones (after Bedard)

Nobody thought Bedard was going to be the next Mcdavid primarily because of his elite skating ability.

His rookie season was more impressive than Mcdavid's considering the talent they played with. Bedard has taken a step back this season but that's perfectly fine in the grand scheme of things.

Nobody would be surprised if he scores 100+ points next year, and he still looks like the best player in his draft class by far.

Yes it will trigger Americans and Europeans but the country with the most registered players and hockey fans is still producing the best talent.

Canada went through a small period of time where they lacked elite talent 2016-2020 but that period most likely was a fluke and isn't an indicator of the future.
 
Nobody thought Bedard was going to be the next Mcdavid primarily because of his elite skating ability.

His rookie season was more impressive than Mcdavid's considering the talent they played with. Bedard has taken a step back this season but that's perfectly fine in the grand scheme of things.

Nobody would be surprised if he scores 100+ points next year, and he still looks like the best player in his draft class by far.

Yes it will trigger Americans and Europeans but the country with the most registered players and hockey fans is still producing the best talent.

Canada went through a small period of time where they lacked elite talent 2016-2020 but that period most likely was a fluke and isn't an indicator of the future.
Many people thought he was the next McDavid. That is in fact what the Canadian media billed him as.

Bedard’s team in his rookie season had the second least points in the league and McDavid’s team also had the second least. There’s no comparison between their two seasons. McDavid was significantly better, and that’s not because Bedard was bad. McDavid was an elite NHL’er right away.
 
Nobody thought Bedard was going to be the next Mcdavid primarily because of his elite skating ability.

His rookie season was more impressive than Mcdavid's considering the talent they played with. Bedard has taken a step back this season but that's perfectly fine in the grand scheme of things.

Nobody would be surprised if he scores 100+ points next year, and he still looks like the best player in his draft class by far.

Yes it will trigger Americans and Europeans but the country with the most registered players and hockey fans is still producing the best talent.

Canada went through a small period of time where they lacked elite talent 2016-2020 but that period most likely was a fluke and isn't an indicator of the future.
If you mean by draft you should be listing 2026-2019. The next year 2020 was a good Canadian draft.
 
Nobody thought Bedard was going to be the next Mcdavid primarily because of his elite skating ability.

His rookie season was more impressive than Mcdavid's considering the talent they played with. Bedard has taken a step back this season but that's perfectly fine in the grand scheme of things.

Nobody would be surprised if he scores 100+ points next year, and he still looks like the best player in his draft class by far.

Yes it will trigger Americans and Europeans but the country with the most registered players and hockey fans is still producing the best talent.

Canada went through a small period of time where they lacked elite talent 2016-2020 but that period most likely was a fluke and isn't an indicator of the future.
You might want to go back and take a look thru those Bedard threads. Definitely was thought of on the same level as McDavid.
 
If you mean by draft you should be listing 2026-2019. The next year 2020 was a good Canadian draft.
2020 was very weak (and not just on the Canadian side).

Lafreniere, Byfield, Drysdale, and Quinn are all far from the level we'd hoped for.

If there's elite talent, it's Seth Jarvis and that's it.
 
2020 was very weak (and not just on the Canadian side).

Lafreniere, Byfield, Drysdale, and Quinn are all far from the level we'd hoped for.

If there's elite talent, it's Seth Jarvis and that's it.
Don't forget Holloway and Perfetti in there as well. If you can make the same claims after next season I'll admit that you are correct. Cheers.
 
Don't forget Holloway and Perfetti in there as well. If you can make the same claims after next season I'll admit that you are correct. Cheers.
We're talking about elite talent (top 100). Not very good/good NHL players (above league average - top 200/300).

If you're already mentioning these guys, that says a lot.

This is weak compared to Canada's past. Just 10 years earlier, it produced Hall, Seguin, Stone before talking about Skinner, Johansen, Hyman, Schwartz, Toffoli. There, very quickly we talk about Perfetti who is at best, the 8th player on his team.

Holloway is scoring points this season alongside Thomas and Kyrou, but that needs confirmation. I think of Byfield before these guys and for me he is clearly not an elite player.

Elite is Stutzle, Raymond, Sanderson, even Faber (good enough to make Team USA) or Askarov (compared to his progress as a GK).

2017 was a better class draft for Canada than 2020. 2019 was at the same level (Harley as elite player, Byram, Cozens, McMichael)... 2021 really cuts the cycle which would be expandable if it weren't for this draft dominated by Canada (Clarke, Power, Johnston, McTavish, Guenther, Johnson)
 
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You didn't need elite skating to dominate in the 80s. Guys weren't even back checking back then lol.

It's a completely different league today.

Kucherov isn't an elite skater... I'd say elite IQ is even more important, than elite skating. The problem is Bedard's IQ isn't elite. Very good, but not elite. Michkov's though...
 
Nobody thought Bedard was going to be the next Mcdavid primarily because of his elite skating ability.

His rookie season was more impressive than Mcdavid's considering the talent they played with. Bedard has taken a step back this season but that's perfectly fine in the grand scheme of things.

Nobody would be surprised if he scores 100+ points next year, and he still looks like the best player in his draft class by far.

Yes it will trigger Americans and Europeans but the country with the most registered players and hockey fans is still producing the best talent.

Canada went through a small period of time where they lacked elite talent 2016-2020 but that period most likely was a fluke and isn't an indicator of the future.
Bedard was hyped by media and the league as the next great player.
This whole thread title as “the next ones (after Bedard)” is silly. It makes the statement that Bedard is one of the great players. And clearly he’s not. Bedard has not lived up to the hype he came into the league with.
 
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Nobody thought Bedard was going to be the next Mcdavid
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His rookie season was more impressive than Mcdavid's considering the talent they played with.
McDavid was third in the NHL in points per game. Their rookie seasons weren't remotely comparable
Nobody would be surprised if he scores 100+ points next year,
That would surprise me. I think 80-90 would be really good progression for him. I thought he'd be there this year.
and he still looks like the best player in his draft class by far.
Not so sure about that anymore. He's 6th among 2023 draft picks in 5v5 p/60 on the season, and 5th in total pts/gp in the 2025 calendar year, despite playing way more minutes than everyone else. And he no longer projects to be a center in the NHL.

Leo Carlsson in particular has really taken off,. he'd be #1 in my redraft. His last 2 months have been more productive than anything we've seen from Bedard, while playing significantly better two way hockey.

He has 11g 24p +14 in 22gp since Feb 1st, 5 points clear of the ducks' 2nd leading scorer in that span. While only playing 16 minutes a night.

Some of the other top 2023 draftees have also had really strong recent stretches:

- Michkov has also been excellent in that span, with 10g 22p in 22gp. He's been just as productive as Bedard this year (despite significantly less ice time) while being much stronger on pucks.
- Will Smith has 22 points in his last 25 games, leading the sharks in scoring in that span.
- Fantilii has 15 goals 29 points in his last 34 games, almost all at ES.

All 4 of those guys are trending up, showing a lot more maturity in their games. Bedard's talent level is undeniable, but he still makes a lot of junior hockey plays and is way too loose with the puck.
He's going to continue to struggle to produce if he keeps giving away possession so easily - hard to score when the other team has the puck. I really believe the Hawks' refusal to hold him accountable for his reckless play is stunting his development.

There's definitely still an argument for taking Bedard 1st, but it relies more on what he did in junior and in his rookie season than how he's played this year. His ceiling is still really high, but he feels like a high risk pick right... he's just been awful since the four nations.

Regardless, there's no reasonable argument to suggest he's far and away ahead of his peers at this point.

I'd probably do something like the below in a redraft:

1. Carlsson
2. Michkov
3. Bedard
4. Smith
5. Fantilli

Carlsson at #1 is pretty clear for me, and I think Michkov is probably 2, but I could see 3-5 going a number of different ways.

Kucherov isn't an elite skater... I'd say elite IQ is even more important, than elite skating. The problem is Bedard's IQ isn't elite. Very good, but not elite. Michkov's though...
Kucherov's skating is pretty underrated. Not elite, but he's faster and more powerful than people think.

Bedard's processing speed is certainly elite, but his decision making has been questionable. The former can't really be taught, but the latter can, which is why I'm still somewhat optimistic.
 
WTF are people still debating this word?
Yes, some idiots/kids see big stats and right away throw out that term. But trying to say Bedard is not/will not be a great player is just as laughable. Especially since many that were upset with that term being used on Bedard, used that term for Michkov.
Looks like there are many great players coming up soon, let's just hope it keeps on coming.
 

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