Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Curufinwe]

Exactly. The Bruins are a good example of a team that treats their alumni well but doesn't give them any influence. I'm sure much of the league is run this way. The Flyers are decidedly not run this way and fired Hextall for trying to put a stop to it.

Cam Neely is their President.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cam Neely is their President.

I would bet their staff isn't almost entirely made of Neely's friends and family though.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I don't care if Torts installs a more conservative scheme. Live with it.

What this team needs the next two years is to play and filter through their depth of prospects and find out who's a keeper going forward. And to teach these kinds how to play NHL hockey the "right way."
And Trots will play them all, no favorites, no trying to make the organization look good by salvaging a 1st rd pick (Frost), justifying a trade (Tippett) or a big money signing (Risto).

He'll give guys like Laczynski, Hodgson, Willman, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Sandin, Zamula, Hogberg et al the same shot he gives York or Foerster or Allison.
If a kid doesn't earn PT, it'll be because he doesn't deserve it, and Trots will be blunt about it.

Nor, if his past record holds true, will he bring in veteran scrubs or guarantee anything to MacEwen or Brown or Seeler.
He will make it clear that if a player doesn't play the right way, Fletcher needs to get rid of that player, and he'll veto any acquisitions he feels aren't a good fit.

It's not an accident that later round picks emerged on both the Rangers and BJs with Trots as HC - he gives every prospect the same opportunity to make the team and garner PT.

One advantage on the Flyers right now is that there are few established veterans he can piss off, JVR is probably gone, Atkinson loves him, Couts will applaud the stress on playing the right way. Hayes and Risto will develop more discipline or a new address.

lololololololol

 

[ponder719]

Just to sate my curiosity about the value of hiring a retread, I took a look at the head coaches who have won Stanley Cups since 1967, to see what stop they were on in their coaching career when they won.

16 were in their first head coaching job, presuming we don't count John Tortorella's 4 games as interim HC of the Rangers as his first job, representing 21 Cups. (If we do, move 1 coach and 1 Cup to the next category.)

11 more were in their second job, representing 19 Cups.

7 were in their third or later job, representing 13 Cups. Only 7 men in history have won a Stanley Cup in their third or later stop as a HC: Scotty Bowman (4), Jacques Demers (1), Mike Keenan (1), Pat Burns (1), Joel Quenneville (3), Claude Julien (1), and Darryl Sutter (2). (and Bowman also won 5 cups in his second HC job, just for fun.)

Not to pour water all over everyone's fire here, but the full list of Expansion-era Cup-winning HCs to win again at a second stop: Scotty Bowman. Torts is a good coach, but can he be Bowman?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I don't care if Torts installs a more conservative scheme. Live with it.

What this team needs the next two years is to play and filter through their depth of prospects and find out who's a keeper going forward. And to teach these kinds how to play NHL hockey the "right way."
And Trots will play them all, no favorites, no trying to make the organization look good by salvaging a 1st rd pick (Frost), justifying a trade (Tippett) or a big money signing (Risto).

He'll give guys like Laczynski, Hodgson, Willman, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Sandin, Zamula, Hogberg et al the same shot he gives York or Foerster or Allison.
If a kid doesn't earn PT, it'll be because he doesn't deserve it, and Trots will be blunt about it.

Nor, if his past record holds true, will he bring in veteran scrubs or guarantee anything to MacEwen or Brown or Seeler.
He will make it clear that if a player doesn't play the right way, Fletcher needs to get rid of that player, and he'll veto any acquisitions he feels aren't a good fit.

It's not an accident that later round picks emerged on both the Rangers and BJs with Trots as HC - he gives every prospect the same opportunity to make the team and garner PT.

One advantage on the Flyers right now is that there are few established veterans he can piss off, JVR is probably gone, Atkinson loves him, Couts will applaud the stress on playing the right way. Hayes and Risto will develop more discipline or a new address.

That's among my favorite things about Tortorella: He's blunt, honest, and doesn't play favorites or politics.

 

[Rebels57]

Finally got around to reading the SanFilippo article. Dysfunctional doesn't even begin to describe the Flyers.

(UPDATED) Flyers to Hire John Tortorella as Next Head Coach

UPDATE: Below is the story I published yesterday regarding the Flyers hiring John Tortorella. An official announcement is expected tomorrow (Friday). This update is to provide more information about the outside agency that the Flyers hired to support their coaching search. According to one...

www.crossingbroad.com

 

[CSKA1974]

I never had much respect for consultants and consulting firms. I call them insultants bc oftentimes they tell you the obvious and just create more work for you in the process meanwhile they get paid a lot for marginal identification of deficiencies and improvements. This seems like what happened with the Flyers coaching search. They could have saved a ton of money if they just disbanded the consensus committee which is the rotted root of the problem. The Flyers will improve from last season or should but it will be not a sustainable improvement. Nothing to me suggests they have any clue how to play the long game. Everything though suggests to me that they are employing a corporate short term strategy of short term gains. Looks good on paper ...but not worth the paper.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Pro tip, if you put everyone on ignore you'll never have to read any criticisms of your posts again. Plus we don't have to read your posts either.

Win win.

I don't mind criticism. I have zero respect for anyone who engages in a repeated pattern of intentional misrepresentation and they don't deserve my acknowledgment as a person.

 

[Rebels57]

Cam Neely is their President.

I'm talking about alumni being "advisors" like Clarke and Holmgren are..

It's not uncommon across all of sports for legends of the franchise to become GM's or Presidents at some point...but it's very uncommon for them to then later become advisors with major influence after they were fired/failed at the job like Clarke and Homer.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Peak comedy could be Fletcher and Flahr trying to forcefeed Tortorella their favorite slops only for Tortorella to regurgitate them down their throats. I could root for that.

We won't win anything, but embarrassing the people running this team (the team's only true rivals) is a win in its own right.

 

[Larry44]

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Dilbert Comic Strip on June 03, 1991

 

[Larry44]

Watch this to the end, too funny! Barnaby tees off on Torturella....

 

[Rebels57]

The more I think about it, the more I feel like not only does this garbage franchise deserve a coach like Torts, but he also deserves to suffer through coaching this team. Going to be a spectacular failure that will leave no survivors behind.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I don’t hate Torts because he’s tough. Most coaches generally are & player’s will put up with it if they see tangible results for better or worse. When you’re getting mediocre or worse results that’s when it become an issue & that’s essentially what this roster is built for now & going forward.

My issue more so with Torts is that he represents a flawed mindset amongst the brass that run this team. They think they can “rah-rah” their way past roster deficiencies that are getting worse with each passing year that the front office created & are unlikely to solve going forward. The second part is they’ve created a world they’re just happy with making the playoffs & hoping for something flukey to get beyond that if they even do.

 

[Larry44]

The more I think about it, the more I feel like not only does this garbage franchise deserve a coach like Torts, but he also deserves to suffer through coaching this team. Going to be a spectacular failure that will leave no survivors behind.

From your lips to the hockey gods' ears....

 

[WIP CALLER]

Torts is a great hire if the year was 2002.

 

[Tripod]

Flyers: "We want someone like Tortorella or Trotz. We idolize the 2020 Islanders."

Firm: "We recommend you pursue Tortorella and Trotz"

Flyers: "Wow they agree, we must be so f***ing smart. Pay them!"

"Got it in 2 tries!"

 

[Magua]

People are more excited for the postgame pressers than the games. My question is: who’s sticking around for 2.5 hours until postgame? That’s like Paul McCartney doing 1 song at the end of a Phish concert.

 

[macleish1974]

Flyers new theme song.....

 

[deadhead]

Just to sate my curiosity about the value of hiring a retread, I took a look at the head coaches who have won Stanley Cups since 1967, to see what stop they were on in their coaching career when they won.

16 were in their first head coaching job, presuming we don't count John Tortorella's 4 games as interim HC of the Rangers as his first job, representing 21 Cups. (If we do, move 1 coach and 1 Cup to the next category.)

11 more were in their second job, representing 19 Cups.

7 were in their third or later job, representing 13 Cups. Only 7 men in history have won a Stanley Cup in their third or later stop as a HC: Scotty Bowman (4), Jacques Demers (1), Mike Keenan (1), Pat Burns (1), Joel Quenneville (3), Claude Julien (1), and Darryl Sutter (2). (and Bowman also won 5 cups in his second HC job, just for fun.)

Not to pour water all over everyone's fire here, but the full list of Expansion-era Cup-winning HCs to win again at a second stop: Scotty Bowman. Torts is a good coach, but can he be Bowman?

I think the expectations for Torts should be reasonable:
1) he installs discipline on this team, Yeo shook off the AV malaise but couldn't keep them from being mistake prone once they opened up
2) he helps develop the young players on the roster and coming up from LHV
3) he brings accountability to the organization
4) he leaves a young, deep team that plays winning hockey behind him

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Good thing we have a good roster with a good front office in place here then!

 

[GKJ]

The consulting firm issue, it is true it goes on all over sports. It’s why you’re starting to see teams hire women and non-hockey personnel. In the NFL, they basically pre-determine everyone’s landing spots.

 

[deadhead]

Watch this to the end, too funny! Barnaby tees off on Torturella....

Barnaby played for Torts in 2001-02, 28 years old, 29 games 0-0 0 -7 7:54 a night.
Torts probably told him he was a talentless scrub.

 

[kudymen]

Good thing we have a good roster with a good front office in place here then!

I thought Tortorella giving himself credit for "creating Tampa by beating them" was peak idiot.
I was wrong. A beat writer using it as a top bullet point is peak idiot.


RE: Hakstol created Konecny by benching him #hockeyguys

 

[GKJ]

Michel Therrien beat Jon Cooper in a playoff series, maybe we should bring him back. That was as a sweep too.