Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[BiggE]

Here’s actual footage of Cuck giving Scotty his thoughts on Torts

 

[Beef Invictus]

I didn't "guarantee" jack. Go play your childish games with someone else.

Because you claimed I said one thing, which I didn’t. No reason to misrepresent it other than to be an ass. I’m perfectly willing to stand by my statement that I believe Gordon will get another NHL job. Saying I put an immediate timeline on it is pathetic.

4th best record in the AHL. Multiple rookie pros playing well under him. Doesn’t deserve to be ignored.

"Gordon WILL get another NHL job." And by NHL job, you meant HC position, because in other posts you assert that he's probably the kind of guy who'd rather be an AHL HC than an assistant at any level.

It's a pity search still isn't properly working, or I could source back to the start and prove your objection in that quote was bunk, too. Because your full claim was that not only is Gordon a damned good coach, but if we didn't sign him as HC in the 2019 offseason as HC then another team certainly would. As usual you said something, it went very wrong, and you threw a fit when I brought it up and lied about what you said. You do this often.

You heaped adoration upon Gordon for months.

Dude isn't employed at any level right now.

 

[deadhead]

I don't think they thought they would get Trotz, much like Q, they want to leave the impression they left no stone unturned.
Torts was the best Dino HC choice for a number of reasons, and I think Scott insisted on a "name".

Torts is the only Dino I can think of with a real track record of rebuilding, guys like AV, Lavi, Trotz, etc. have a history of taking over veteran teams and raising their play, Torts rebuilt in TB, NY and CBJ. He's far more comfortable than most Dino HCs playing young players. His Ranger and CBJ teams were among the league's youngest while making the playoffs.

Torts will also shake up the organization at every level, since he doesn't give a shit about covering up for past mistakes, he'll trade Frost, bench Risto, etc. if they don't perform. He plays 6th rd picks over 1st rd picks, 20 year olds over name veterans, and so on. So no one on the team will feel like they have a guaranteed job, and no one in the FO will be shielded from their past mistakes being exposed.

He may burn out in 3 years, but he'll leave a younger, better team in his wake. Unlike AV or Lavi.

 

[Beef Invictus]

"One source told me Fletcher wasn’t as high on Tortorella as others were and would have preferred a different kind of coach, however, the search committee identified his leadership and accountability skills as being so off the charts that he would be an ideal fit for the Flyers situation.

Additionally, a former NHL player who is close to both Tortorella and the Flyers said that Fletcher likely doesn’t want Torts as a coach because Torts is notoriously tough on general managers when it comes to the kinds of players he wants and doesn’t want to coach.

A third source said Fletcher will put on the right public face and say all the wonderful things about Tortorella and how much he’s going to enjoy working with him, but the reality is that Fletcher is very skeptical of the situation."

Imagine being so feeble and weak that, even with more accumulated power than any non-owner in team history has ever had, all your employees completely dominate you because you allow them to.

 

[deadhead]

Imagine being so feeble and weak that, even with more accumulated power than any non-owner in team history has ever had, all your employees completely dominate you because you allow them to.

Have you ever worked for a company?

 

[Embiid]

"One source told me Fletcher wasn’t as high on Tortorella as others were and would have preferred a different kind of coach, however, the search committee identified his leadership and accountability skills as being so off the charts that he would be an ideal fit for the Flyers situation.

Additionally, a former NHL player who is close to both Tortorella and the Flyers said that Fletcher likely doesn’t want Torts as a coach because Torts is notoriously tough on general managers when it comes to the kinds of players he wants and doesn’t want to coach.

A third source said Fletcher will put on the right public face and say all the wonderful things about Tortorella and how much he’s going to enjoy working with him, but the reality is that Fletcher is very skeptical of the situation."

LMAO!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Have you ever worked for a company?

Yes, any company with leadership and exercise of power as terrible as Fletcher's fails in the end. Like the Flyers are.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Draft day interviews...

 

[bennysflyers16]

He does love dogs,
But he will HATE Hayes,

Positivity !!

 

[FlyerNutter]

I mean....this is just like using Indeed. You just plug qualities into an algorithm and it spits out the best candidate.

Except it isn't Indeed, it's an actual group of human brains, and "you" is Blob Farke.

Clarke paying a 3rd party committee to facilitate a new hire on terms he gave them to fulfill is still Clarke making the hire. Just with extra st....

EDIT: late thanks Jojo and rebels

What you’re stating is that the Flyers wanted x/y/z in a coach, and the firm went out to find that.

You’ve killed my idea that Scott simply told them to find the best hire.

Thank you. Bastard.

 

[Cody Webster]

'Member when we were told that the Flyers are taking their time because more coaches will become available at the end of the year....they could have hired Torts back in February

@Hollywood Cannon

 

[Ghosts Beer]

"Gordon WILL get another NHL job." And by NHL job, you meant HC position, because in other posts you assert that he's probably the kind of guy who'd rather be an AHL HC than an assistant at any level.

It's a pity search still isn't properly working, or I could source back to the start and prove your objection in that quote was bunk, too. Because your full claim was that not only is Gordon a damned good coach, but if we didn't sign him as HC in the 2019 offseason as HC then another team certainly would. As usual you said something, it went very wrong, and you threw a fit when I brought it up and lied about what you said. You do this often.

You heaped adoration upon Gordon for months.

Dude isn't employed at any level right now.

You proved my point.

My post says, "I believe Gordon will get another another NHL job."

Right below it, IN QUOTES, you write, with the emphasis added and all yours, "Gordon WILL get another NHL job," leaving out the very important beginning of the sentence -- "I believe."

So, is saying "I believe" the same thing as saying "I guarantee"?

Scumbag move and this is why I will not engage with you further.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I mean....this is just like using Indeed. You just plug qualities into an algorithm and it spits out the best candidate.

Except it isn't Indeed, it's an actual group of human brains, and "you" is Blob Farke.

Clarke paying a 3rd party committee to facilitate a new hire on terms he gave them to fulfill is still Clarke making the hire. Just with extra st....

EDIT: late thanks Jojo and rebels

What you’re stating is that the Flyers wanted x/y/z in a coach, and the firm went out to find that.

You’ve killed my idea that Scott simply told them to find the best hire.

Thank you. Bastard.

 

[deadhead]

'Member when we were told that the Flyers are taking their time because more coaches will become available at the end of the year....they could have hired Torts back in February

@Hollywood Cannon

Not sure Trots would have been interested at that time, running out the string with a team with no shot of the playoffs is a thankless job.

The "best hire" is conditional, if you want to win now, Trotz was the best hire, if you think you're rebuilding, Torts is a better choice.

I think the Flyers lucked out, with Trotz, the huge contract would have given him even more leverage than AV had, and he'd probably push for win now moves b/c he hasn't been in a rebuild since he started his career with Nashville. The Islanders certainly mortgaged the future with him there, whether that was Lou or Trotz or mutual is a good question.

They may think they're hiring Trots to win now, but his track record says he'll do it by elevating the play of young players, especially players who might not get a shot on other teams b/c they're later round picks, rather than bring in a bunch of scrub veterans or trade assets for veteran starters.

 

[Redpath]

I'm really not sure what to make of the consulting firm part story. While it seems to be a relief that we're getting third party advice given our current leaderships struggles, I have to ask if the consulting firm came to the conclusion (Tortotella) on their own or if they came to the conclusion that was wanted.

If there is really more going on being the scenes between Scott vs Fletcher, it is idiotic to go into a pivotal offseason with a GM that Scott no longer actually trusts.

Tortorella will if nothing else be fun to watch combat with the Flyers beat. Bu regardless of who we hire, nothing is changing without an improved roster. And an improved roster is not being expedited with Chuck at the helm.

 

[Rebels57]

I should say I have no problem with the Flyers taking care of the former players in the sense of giving them paying jobs in some bullshit PR sense. Then there’s what the Flyers also do is give them a lot of influence over their hockey team to point that they go completely unchecked for decades upon decades of incompetence.

You can still treat your alumni well & not let them destroy your hockey team. There’s a healthy balance. Hextall was right in telling those guys to pound sound when it came to running the hockey team. He was wrong when he wouldn’t let the alumni go in the Flyers locker room for one of hose stupid alumni games. The former is smart the latter is just petty.

Exactly. The Bruins are a good example of a team that treats their alumni well but doesn't give them any influence. I'm sure much of the league is run this way. The Flyers are decidedly not run this way and fired Hextall for trying to put a stop to it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You proved my point.

My post says, "I believe Gordon will get another another NHL job."

Right below it, IN QUOTES, you write, with the emphasis added and all yours, "Gordon WILL get another NHL job," leaving out the very important beginning of the sentence -- "I believe."

So, is saying "I believe" the same thing as saying "I guarantee"?

Scumbag move and this is why I will not engage with you further.

I already clarified this in the very post you've quoted. The post I quoted was a walkback from you, originally it wasn't mere belief, it was assurances that his hiring as NHL HC would occur. Search isn't working properly, or I could go back to when you were talking about how other teams were sure to sign him as HC that offseason if we didn't. You even got shitty with Magua when he mentioned it and you tried to walk it back. You do this several times a year. You make grandiose defenses of management/coaching and heap undeserved praise upon them, then when they inevitably fall short you try to pretend you weren't so high on them.

Saying something will happen is a guarantee, yes. The definition of guarantee: "a formal promise or assurance (typically in writing) that certain conditions will be fulfilled"

 

[Rebels57]

"One source told me Fletcher wasn’t as high on Tortorella as others were and would have preferred a different kind of coach, however, the search committee identified his leadership and accountability skills as being so off the charts that he would be an ideal fit for the Flyers situation.

Additionally, a former NHL player who is close to both Tortorella and the Flyers said that Fletcher likely doesn’t want Torts as a coach because Torts is notoriously tough on general managers when it comes to the kinds of players he wants and doesn’t want to coach.

A third source said Fletcher will put on the right public face and say all the wonderful things about Tortorella and how much he’s going to enjoy working with him, but the reality is that Fletcher is very skeptical of the situation."

"We're in a good place."

 

[Beef Invictus]

What you’re stating is that the Flyers wanted x/y/z in a coach, and the firm went out to find that.

You’ve killed my idea that Scott simply told them to find the best hire.

Thank you. Bastard.

Flyers: "We want someone like Tortorella or Trotz. We idolize the 2020 Islanders."

Firm: "We recommend you pursue Tortorella and Trotz"

Flyers: "Wow they agree, we must be so f***ing smart. Pay them!"

 

[FlyerNutter]

Flyers: "We want someone like Tortorella or Trotz. We idolize the 2020 Islanders."

Firm: "We recommend you pursue Tortorella and Trotz"

Flyers: "Wow they agree, we must be so f***ing smart. Pay them!"

If that’s really how it went down, it’s actually quite something.

 

[deadhead]

I don't care if Torts installs a more conservative scheme. Live with it.

What this team needs the next two years is to play and filter through their depth of prospects and find out who's a keeper going forward. And to teach these kinds how to play NHL hockey the "right way."
And Trots will play them all, no favorites, no trying to make the organization look good by salvaging a 1st rd pick (Frost), justifying a trade (Tippett) or a big money signing (Risto).

He'll give guys like Laczynski, Hodgson, Willman, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Sandin, Zamula, Hogberg et al the same shot he gives York or Foerster or Allison.
If a kid doesn't earn PT, it'll be because he doesn't deserve it, and Trots will be blunt about it.

Nor, if his past record holds true, will he bring in veteran scrubs or guarantee anything to MacEwen or Brown or Seeler.
He will make it clear that if a player doesn't play the right way, Fletcher needs to get rid of that player, and he'll veto any acquisitions he feels aren't a good fit.

It's not an accident that later round picks emerged on both the Rangers and BJs with Trots as HC - he gives every prospect the same opportunity to make the team and garner PT.

One advantage on the Flyers right now is that there are few established veterans he can piss off, JVR is probably gone, Atkinson loves him, Couts will applaud the stress on playing the right way. Hayes and Risto will develop more discipline or a new address.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Draft day interviews...

"I have people skills, I deal with the god damn customers"

 

[666Domino]

Dinosaurs gonna dinosaur, welcome to the masterclass of mediocrity!!!!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I already clarified this in the very post you've quoted. The post I quoted was a walkback from you, originally it wasn't mere belief, it was assurances that his hiring as NHL HC would occur. Search isn't working properly, or I could go back to when you were talking about how other teams were sure to sign him as HC that offseason if we didn't. You even got shitty with Magua when he mentioned it and you tried to walk it back. You do this several times a year. You make grandiose defenses of management/coaching and heap undeserved praise upon them, then when they inevitably fall short you try to pretend you weren't so high on them.

Saying something will happen is a guarantee, yes. The definition of guarantee: "a formal promise or assurance (typically in writing) that certain conditions will be fulfilled"

I.E. Nolan Patrick

 

[FlyerNutter]

There was one positive thing I was going to take out of this, and you assholes ruined it.