Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Beef Invictus]

Good thing we have a good roster with a good front office in place here then!

Holding on for dear life and shelling in the playoffs sometimes works if you have a HOF goalie to drag the team forward.

Less so if you're a team built by Fletcher.

 

[deadhead]

I thought Tortorella giving himself credit for "creating Tampa by beating them" was peak idiot.
I was wrong. A beat writer using it as a top bullet point is peak idiot.

I think Torts was right on point, and if you asked Cooper, I'll bet he agrees with Torts.
After that series, they went out and got Goodrow, Coleman, Maroon, Shattenkirk, L Schenn, Bogosian and shipped out JT Miller and dumped Girardi.

They had more depth, and played a more physical, defensive oriented game.

 

[kudymen]

Yeah I bet Jon Cooper agrees that his team would never win multiple Cups if it wasn't for a series against John Tortorella.

 

[Cody Webster]

I don't care if Torts installs a more conservative scheme. Live with it.

What this team needs the next two years is to play and filter through their depth of prospects and find out who's a keeper going forward. And to teach these kinds how to play NHL hockey the "right way."
And Trots will play them all, no favorites, no trying to make the organization look good by salvaging a 1st rd pick (Frost), justifying a trade (Tippett) or a big money signing (Risto).

He'll give guys like Laczynski, Hodgson, Willman, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Sandin, Zamula, Hogberg et al the same shot he gives York or Foerster or Allison.
If a kid doesn't earn PT, it'll be because he doesn't deserve it, and Trots will be blunt about it.

Nor, if his past record holds true, will he bring in veteran scrubs or guarantee anything to MacEwen or Brown or Seeler.
He will make it clear that if a player doesn't play the right way, Fletcher needs to get rid of that player, and he'll veto any acquisitions he feels aren't a good fit.

It's not an accident that later round picks emerged on both the Rangers and BJs with Trots as HC - he gives every prospect the same opportunity to make the team and garner PT.

One advantage on the Flyers right now is that there are few established veterans he can piss off, JVR is probably gone, Atkinson loves him, Couts will applaud the stress on playing the right way. Hayes and Risto will develop more discipline or a new address.

Two years away from being two years away....

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I thought Tortorella giving himself credit for "creating Tampa by beating them" was peak idiot.
I was wrong. A beat writer using it as a top bullet point is peak idiot.


RE: Hakstol created Konecny by benching him #hockeyguys

So one of the few high marks was sweeping a top seed in the first round then immediately losing the next round? If the response is that’s about what you realistically best ask for. Well I got news for the Flyers rosters are comparable to his rosters in Columbus more or less.

Then the next response would be if you’re admitting defeat at competing for a Stanley Cup in a non-flukey way then what the hell are we doing here? The point of sports is to compete for championships & hopefully win them.

 

[shipwreck]

Wanna bet how many seasons it is before they fire him too?

 

[Magua]

Flyers new theme song.....

Christ, you know it ain't easy
You know how GMing can be
The way things are going
They're going to promote me

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I never thought I’d see the day where the people from the generation that is adamant against participation trophies is creating an environment where expectations are just that.

 

[Tripod]

I'm talking about alumni being "advisors" like Clarke and Holmgren are..

It's not uncommon across all of sports for legends of the franchise to become GM's or Presidents at some point...but it's very uncommon for them to then later become advisors with major influence after they were fired/failed at the job like Clarke and Homer.

As an example, Barber is listed as an Advisor but we hear nothing about him or him having input. So it's likely he just holds a PR position in that Advisory role.

Clarke and Homer actively are involved in decision making, that is clear.

Also clear is Fletch has no backbone. Just what you want from your Pres and GM.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Ole Barry used them to drive up contract negotiations elsewhere.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Ole Barry used them to drive up contract negotiations elsewhere.

Cuck doesn’t exactly hold his cards close to his chest. Probably repeatedly called Trotz the moment he was fired and texted him for the next few days before Barry finally replied.

 

[Larry44]

Wanna bet how many seasons it is before they fire him too?

We should start a pool. I give it 1.33 seasons. This year will be crappy, we'll be in the lottery again. ClusterChuck will do another aggressive retool next summer, then they'll come out flat again and Comcast will fire the lot of them.

 

[ybnvs]

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One with a nasty @BigToe





And the other...






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[Larry44]

Ole Barry used them to drive up contract negotiations elsewhere.

Then they offered the job to Torturella, without having a deal done, and let it leak as a trial balloon. Right now he's filling in the blanks on the contract, and there will be no negotiation. ClusterChuck will accept whatever he asks for. My guess is 4 years x $5M, despite that fact that Torts is desperate and would probably take a one year deal for $2M, since he has no other offers. Hey, it's only our fans' money....

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I don’t care what his reasons ultimately were for turning down the Flyers but Trotz very likely just turned a financial offer down from the Flyers that he likely won’t receive elsewhere.

After all the “blank check” talk their first opportunity to do so without any salary cap restrictions they got rejected. I don’t care what they say you know that’s eating them up that couldn’t just buy Trotz from the field to bypass all the pros/cons here & elsewhere which likely was their plan all along. They very well could have put a $35-42M guaranteed contract on the table & got turned down.

 

[Tripod]

In the end, most know no coach is winning with Fletch as GM and the archaic upper Mgt. Simply not near talented enough.

Torts will make the team harder to play against, they will win more and hopefully he has some blowups with reporters.

The decade is already lost.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Ryan Ellis showing up to camp for Torts

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ryan Ellis showing up to camp for Torts

lollll I hadn't even considered what will happen to a physically collapsing Ellis on a team due to habitually live in the top 5/top3 in blocked shots per 60

 

[Adam Warlock]

So Chuck didnt want Torts but hes getting the blame for hiring Torts?

Its becoming clear that Chuck is basically there to do the day to day work while the people above him are making the real decisions.

Chuck deserves a lot of blame and should be fired after last offseason...but firing him alone won't change anything. The dinosaurs have tasted power again and they arent giving it up.

 

[Cootsfanclub]

Good thing we have a good roster with a good front office in place here then!

Coach had 0 control over losing UFAs, but maybe there's a reason two top shelf free agents prefer to leave over playing under Torts.

 

[Magua]

I’m still laughing at how some people were giddy about all the interviews and what a wide net the Flyers were casting. They’re what, the 2nd team to name a coach? After Vegas and Cassidy.

The good news is now we can devote less time to talking about players like Gaudreau in free agency.

I don’t care what his reasons ultimately were for turning down the Flyers but Trotz very likely just turned a financial offer down from the Flyers that he likely won’t receive elsewhere.

After all the “blank check” talk their first opportunity to do so without any salary cap restrictions they got rejected. I don’t care what they say you know that’s eating them up that couldn’t just buy Trotz from the field to bypass all the pros/cons here & elsewhere which likely was their plan all along. They very well could have put a $35-42M guaranteed contract on the table & got turned down.

As I said last week, what no one wants to admit is the Flyers don't have this magnetic pull to acquire the best. Not even with paychecks. That's a bygone era to which people still cling; it’s as antiquated as the Bullies. Top coaches want to coach top teams and build legacies. So, the Flyers’ deep pockets have the ability to overpay the best of the mediocre not too concerned with legacies. Here we are.

 

[TheKingPin]

I don’t care what his reasons ultimately were for turning down the Flyers but Trotz very likely just turned a financial offer down from the Flyers that he likely won’t receive elsewhere.

After all the “blank check” talk their first opportunity to do so without any salary cap restrictions they got rejected. I don’t care what they say you know that’s eating them up that couldn’t just buy Trotz from the field to bypass all the pros/cons here & elsewhere which likely was their plan all along. They very well could have put a $35-42M guaranteed contract on the table & got turned down.

He probably turned down 7+ million a year. That’s JVR money!

 

[Beef Invictus]

So Chuck didnt want Torts but hes getting the blame for hiring Torts?

Its becoming clear that Chuck is basically there to do the day to day work while the people above him are making the real decisions.

Chuck deserves a lot of blame and should be fired after last offseason...but firing him alone won't change anything. The dinosaurs have tasted power again and they arent giving it up.

Obviously I know they all need to be purged, I've been shouting it for years...but Fletcher is vested with unprecedented power. If he really wanted to exert control he could.

The advisors have power and influence because he allows it. Especially now, he could easily say "their ways don't work, they must be ignored or fired." He chooses not to. He empowers them.

 

[TheKingPin]

I’m still laughing at how some people were giddy about all the interviews and what a wide net the Flyers were casting. They’re what, the 2nd team to name a coach? After Vegas and Cassidy.

The good news is now we can devote less time to talking about players like Gaudreau in free agency.



As I said last week, what no one wants to admit is the Flyers don't have this magnetic pull to acquire the best. Not even with paychecks. That's a bygone era to which people still cling; it’s as antiquated as the Bullies. Top coaches want to coach top teams and build legacies. So, the Flyers’ deep pockets have the ability to overpay the best of the mediocre not too concerned with legacies. Here we are.

Having recently moved from Philly, I can say that many here are gray over estimating how great a destination Philly is. I love it, but many others are going to win out going forward.

 

[Magua]

So Chuck didnt want Torts but hes getting the blame for hiring Torts?

Its becoming clear that Chuck is basically there to do the day to day work while the people above him are making the real decisions.

You’re saying this as fact…..

I have no doubt that the old guard had serious input here, but Chuck Fletcher is the President and General Manager. Every decision he has made has been HockeyGuy cliched through and through. The idea he wants a locker room commanding, veteran, defensive focused coach is not incongruent with anything he does because he doesn’t shut the f*** up about those very things.

Christ, I remember when Hextall was fired, the same writers said that Hakstol was shackled by him. We’d see a new coach! Wouldn’t you know, must of these people are exactly who we think they are.