Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[deadhead]

Making the playoffs isn't impressive.

Four times in a row with a mediocre roster is - odds of any year is 1/2, odds of four straight years 1/16.

Torts will get the Flyers to play better, problem then is they draft in the teens to early 20s every year, and it tempts the FO to try to make a "win now" move to go deeper into the playoffs instead of patiently building a better team.

Which of course, is why they've been treading water the last decade before going under last season.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Good guy, Torts.

Goes to show you that the media members take care of the “nice” people rather than just do their job without bias.

No different then when they all cried when AV was fired because he gave them that sweet sweet acknowledgement they all crave with the “Hi, Charlie.”

Hiring Torts is inevitable now with how the talking heads are conducting themselves. I mean it was always inevitable because this organization is ran by cavemen.

The bias seems to be an unwillingness by some people to acknowledge anything good about Torts and/or that is contrary to their preconceived notions.

 

[tucson83]

Makes sense. Probably looking at being a bubble team and going through Tampa to win a cup.

so you want a roster that will just make the playoffs and finals the same year but other than that tank? yeah that's working real well for teams that have tanked, cant make the playoffs at all, cant attract big stars, cant even make finals appearance in their 16 years of tanking aka oilers.

not to mention the rules have changed for the draft lottery so you have to find other ways to improve rather than relying on lottery but for some reason you still think that tanking will work even though it hasnt.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The bias seems to be an unwillingness by some people to acknowledge anything good about Torts and/or that is contrary to their preconceived notions.

The man believes that skill is bad for the game. He’s a dinosaur that needs to be eradicated.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

I’ve thought about this a bit. If torts gets hired, I won’t watch the games, but I will totally watch the post game. Because there is the the real entertainment: him crushing our media.

We haven’t had a personality like that since pronged played with us. Just toyed with the media relentlessly.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Four times in a row with a mediocre roster is - odds of any year is 1/2, odds of four straight years 1/16.

Torts will get the Flyers to play better, problem then is they draft in the teens to early 20s every year, and it tempts the FO to try to make a "win now" move to go deeper into the playoffs instead of patiently building a better team.

Which of course, is why they've been treading water the last decade before going under last season.

The odds are obviously better than 1/16.

 

[TheKingPin]

so you want a roster that will just make the playoffs and finals the same year but other than that tank? yeah that's working real well for teams that have tanked, cant make the playoffs at all, cant attract big stars, cant even make finals appearance in their 16 years of tanking aka oilers.

not to mention the rules have changed for the draft lottery so you have to find other ways to improve rather than relying on lottery but for some reason you still think that tanking will work even though it hasnt.

How hasn’t it worked? The top 4 teams this year all had multiple top picks on their roster.

It’s not my problem the Oilers can’t build around two of the best centers in the league. You don’t just tank and stop. You keep going looking for depth picks and trades etc.

Crosby and Malkin are two of the all time earners in NHL history. I think Crosby is the highest now. They have won 3 cups.

You NEED top end talent to build around. Couts was and hopefully is that guy and was picked pretty high himself. You only get those guys by tanking. If you time it like the pens then you get top end guys at all time best drafts.

The original quote from me was sarcastic though. I don’t want to be a mediocre team.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The man believes that skill is bad for the game. He’s a dinosaur that needs to be eradicated.

Regardless of your hyperbole, it has absolutely nothing to do with how he acts and treats others off the ice. Yet we've got people whining about a tweet regarding Torts' class off the ice.

Why? Because people want to hate. And it's easier to hate if you only hear bad things about a person.

 

[tucson83]

How hasn’t it worked? The top 4 teams this year all had multiple top picks on their roster.

It’s not my problem the Oilers can’t build around two of the best centers in the league. You don’t just tank and stop. You keep going looking for depth picks and trades etc.

Crosby and Malkin are two of the all time earners in NHL history. I think Crosby is the highest now. They have won 3 cups.

You NEED top end talent to build around. Couts was and hopefully is that guy and was picked pretty high himself. You only get those guys by tanking. If you time it like the pens then you get top end guys at all time best drafts.

The original quote from me was sarcastic though. I don’t want to be a mediocre team.

how hasnt it worked? explain ottawa, buffalo, phoenix then. you think this is 2005 and it's not and you are not going to get 3 stars in 3 years, they just changed the lottery rules and you are putting the franchise on lottery balls is dangerous. you just want stars straight from draft and nothing else. it doesnt work like that. you need talent outside the draft.

no teams have won cups organically, it's never worked. you seem ok with just losing for 2 decades like phoenix coyotes and expect to win a cup in 5 years.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Per SanFilippo, Peter DeBoer is among the Flyers’ finalists.

And we didn’t even know they interviewed him.

As I’ve said before, I’m sure they talked to far more people than we know about.

 

[TH1Pool]

Am I misguided for wanting nothing to do with Torts? He seems openly resistant to players who “skill it up”, and won his cup almost 20 years ago in a much more physical era of the league. I have a hard time seeing him drive us forward with the skill players we need.

I also think we need to focus on selling for prospects and trying to have a few consecutive drafts where we pick in the top 3. Stop trying to build a team of overpaid role players who wouldn’t crack the 2nd line on teams like COL or TBL. Need to draft some high end talent and then build around from there with the type of guys we currently have.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Regardless of your hyperbole, it has absolutely nothing to do with how he acts and treats others off the ice. Yet we've got people whining about a tweet regarding Torts' class off the ice.

Why? Because people want to hate. And it's easier to hate if you only hear bad things about a person.

Hyperbole?



You sure love to eat up the propaganda this organization feeds you.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Hyperbole?

You sure love to eat up the propaganda this organization feeds you.

Yes. Stating that Torts "believes that skill is bad for the game" is the definition of hyperbole.

You telling me you weren't exaggerating? Taking his comments about one alley-oop play and generalizing it to cover skill in general?

Because I was just reading a book where Torts, watching a replay of his TB Cup series, raves about Lecavalier's skill level while making a skill play.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yes. Stating that Torts "believes that skill is bad for the game" is the definition of hyperbole.

You telling me you weren't exaggerating? Taking his comments about one alley-oop play and generalizing it to cover skill in general?

Because I was just reading a book where Torts, watching a replay of his TB Cup series, raves about Lecavalier's skill level while making a skill play.

Taking a direct quote from the man is not hyperbole. He meant what he said.

 

[deadhead]

It's a fool's errand to tank, because odds are you'll just end up drafting JVR and Patrick (or Kakko or . . .).

However, when you're not good enough to make a legitimate PO run, then it is a good strategy to take one or two steps back, focus on developing your young players and not worry about the playoffs - if they mature quickly and outperform expectations - problem solved - if not, you draft high for 2-3 years.

Flyers have good prospect depth, what they lack are the 2-3 top young players they need to fill out the top 6/top 4.
A roster 26 and under:

Farabee - ??? - TK
Lindblom - ??? - Brink
N Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe - Lacyznski - Allison
??? - Desnoyers - Forester/Wisdom

Provorov - York
Sanheim - Attard
Zamula - Hogberg
Andrae

Hart/Fedotov/Ersson

So the needs are obvious, a couple young centers and a RHD. Maybe a LW.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Taking a direct quote from the man is not hyperbole. He meant what he said.

Like I said, you are taking his comments about one specific play and generalizing it. Definition of exaggeration.

 

[TheKingPin]

how hasnt it worked? explain ottawa, buffalo, phoenix then. you think this is 2005 and it's not and you are not going to get 3 stars in 3 years, they just changed the lottery rules and you are putting the franchise on lottery balls is dangerous. you just want stars straight from draft and nothing else. it doesnt work like that. you need talent outside the draft.

no teams have won cups organically, it's never worked. you seem ok with just losing for 2 decades like phoenix coyotes and expect to win a cup in 5 years.

I actually just said it does not stop at tanking. Tanking gets you the elite pieces you need to win. You keep drafting talent to surround and supplement that. But you aren’t getting Makar in the 3rd round. Not often a 50 goal scorer is traded to you like LeClaire. Times have changed and this is just not out there much any longer.

Arizona (new name), Buffalo, and the Sens look to be in a much much better spot than we are despite having much the same overall success. Arizona owns SIX top 2 round picks this year. We don’t even have a 2nd pick. We finished pretty close to one another.

The pens, caps, blackhawks, lightening all tanked. That’s 9 cups. It will be 10 or another tanking team in the Avs will get it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Like I said, you are taking his comments about one specific play and generalizing it. Definition of exaggeration.

Imagine defending a man who would make a comment like that in the year 2022.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Definitely won’t be watching any games, but I look forward to one single thing. Simple Sam getting torn apart/absolutely dismissed by Torts.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I actually just said it does not stop at tanking. Tanking gets you the elite pieces you need to win. You keep drafting talent to surround and supplement that. But you aren’t getting Makar in the 3rd round. Not often a 50 goal scorer is traded to you like LeClaire. Times have changed and this is just not out there much any longer.

Arizona (new name), Buffalo, and the Sens look to be in a much much better spot than we are despite having much the same overall success. Arizona owns SIX top 2 round picks this year. We don’t even have a 2nd pick. We finished pretty close to one another.

The pens, caps, blackhawks, lightening all tanked. That’s 9 cups. It will be 10 or another tanking team in the Avs will get it.

How about the Blues? OK, they had a brief down period where the missed the playoffs 3 straight seasons.

In that stretch, they had the #1 overall pick once and took Erik Johnson. Not exactly a team-changer.

And after their third season of missing the playoffs, they had the #4 overall pick and got Pietrangelo. Very good player. No superstar.

That's sort of where the Flyers are now. A couple of bad seasons in a row. Have pick #5 overall. Hopefully they can get a Pietrangelo level player. And keep building/retooling without tanking like the Blues did.

Imagine defending a man who would make a comment like that in the year 2022.

Imagine arguing that an NHL head coach "believes skill is bad for the game" based on his comment about one specific unusual type of play, and then refusing to admit it's hyperbole.

 

[Rebels57]

Am I misguided for wanting nothing to do with Torts? He seems openly resistant to players who “skill it up”, and won his cup almost 20 years ago in a much more physical era of the league. I have a hard time seeing him drive us forward with the skill players we need.

I also think we need to focus on selling for prospects and trying to have a few consecutive drafts where we pick in the top 3. Stop trying to build a team of overpaid role players who wouldn’t crack the 2nd line on teams like COL or TBL. Need to draft some high end talent and then build around from there with the type of guys we currently have.

Anyone with 2 or more brain cells wants nothing to do with Torts.

 

[Embiid]

Flyers have no identity so hiring a coach with a cult of personality sounds right up their dead end alley.

 

[TheKingPin]

How about the Blues? OK, they had a brief down period where the missed the playoffs 3 straight seasons.

In that stretch, they had the #1 overall pick once and took Erik Johnson. Not exactly a team-changer.

And after their third season of missing the playoffs, they had the #4 overall pick and got Pietrangelo. Very good player. No superstar.

That's sort of where the Flyers are now. A couple of bad seasons in a row. Have pick #5 overall. Hopefully they can get a Pietrangelo level player. And keep building/retooling without tanking like the Blues did.


Imagine arguing that an NHL head coach "believes skill is bad for the game" based on his comment about one specific unusual type of play, and then refusing to admit it's hyperbole.

Well the blues are a very good drafting team, hitting on several guys in the late first. Pietrangelo is a very important player. Plus the blues did well with making some big and favorable trades at the time like ROR. So it’s one team that had a lot go right for them and won a cup when it’s not like they were a cup favorite. Versus a lot of other teams that had near or modern day dynasties by tanking.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[TB87]

It’s my birthday and I felt the need to do a particularly petty “well actually” on twitter lol