Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Tripod]

So happy I get to save money from not buying NHL CI.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Just remember boys, Torts created this dynasty.

 

[Magua]

Honestly, you have to respect this organization's ability to exist inside the boxiest of boxes.

@Beef Invictus @Surrounded By Ahos @BiggE

 

[DancingPanther]

Honestly, you have to respect this organization's ability to exist inside the boxiest of boxes.

@Beef Invictus @Surrounded By Ahos @BiggE

What's in the box
There's a pain in the box

 

[Magua]

Just remember boys, Torts created this dynasty.

 

[GKJ]

I don’t begrudge Bill for thinking next level. Everyone’s trying to figure out how to beat Tampa. But no one is trying to recreate the 2019 Columbus Blue Jackets.

Not even the Columbus Blue Jackets.

 

[flyersnorth]

Is Torts official or people are just assuming? Haven’t seen anything.

 

[ponder719]

Is Torts official or people are just assuming? Haven’t seen anything.

The most concrete report we have is that Trotz and Torts are two of the finalists, and that unspecified candidates have been told they are no longer in consideration. No other names have been confirmed as also being finalists, and of the two known finalists, Trotz is wanted by literally everyone, and Tortorella is wanted by precisely one band of idiots. It is likely, though unconfirmed, that there are fallback names in case we lose out on both.

 

[TheKingPin]

Makes sense. Probably looking at being a bubble team and going through Tampa to win a cup.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This guy is the worst:

Is he f***ing high

Well, to be fair, CBJ had missed the playoffs 5 of 6 years before Torts came to town, he took them to the PO four straight seasons.
That was a pretty young team, only players 28 or older were Jack Johnson, Tyutin, Dubinsky and Hartnell

Nor did they have elite offensive talent, Saad, Jenner, Wennberg, Atkinson, Johansen, Karlsson. Lots of 2nd line talent.
Johansen #4-2010, Murray D #2-2012, Werenski #8-2015, Dubois #3-2016 were their high picks.
Atkinson was their best scorer and he was a 6th rd pick.

So it's hard to judge Torts' impact on their scoring given they didn't exactly have a McKinnon, Maker, Crosby, etc.

Making the playoffs isn't impressive.

Honestly, you have to respect this organization's ability to exist inside the boxiest of boxes.

@Beef Invictus @Surrounded By Ahos @BiggE

Thank you for this offering.

 

[Rebels57]

@Myrtman you are a f***ing joke and one of the reasons the Flyers consistently get away with doing the wrong thing. Bad journalist, worse "fan."

 

[scumpup]

Trotz would be so awesome. Especially since we lost to him in the playoffs. I think that the FOMO of Trotz will hopefully prevail. Even the Flyers couldn't f*** this up. Right?

 

[Garbage Goal]

I think the franchise is f***ed no matter what right now, so I'll ignore that aspect of things.

Trotz: Probably the best candidate given the Flyers' abject refusal to be innovative or commit to a tear-down rebuild. There's an outside chance he could get a really mediocre/bad roster to be a borderline playoff team in his first year or two as coach (pretty much what he did with the Isles). As a fan, I'd prefer they hire someone to be more of a tire-fire to expedite this franchise's will in doing what needs to be done.

Torts: Given our complete lack of offensive talent now with Giroux and Ghost gone, it might be the shelliest shelling that's ever shelled. His pressers would be a lot funnier and more entertaining as would his on-ice demeanor. I think any possibility of being a fringe playoff team (read: this franchise's definition of success now) is much more minute with Torts.

So, I say Torts. More entertaining coach, less entertaining team by virtue of less wins most likely, more likely to lead to the many changes that are necessary that this franchise refuses to commit to. I don't get why a relatively small chance at competing for a fringe playoff spot with Trotz is desirable to anybody here. Though, I understand the idea of wanting him when given the choice between him or Trotz and if you're committed to watching no matter what (which I don't think you should be, but your life).

This guy is the worst:

Why is being in the bottom half of the league something of note to him?

 

[Garbage Goal]

Why Trotz would ever choose this garbage heap of a franchise is beyond me. I guess a boatload of money and the travel schedule is in the Flyers' favour.

But the roster? The front office? The prospect pool? All of these are trash tier. Maybe he doesn't care about winning and just wants to make as much money as possible at this point in his career.

But if Trotz and Torts are the front runners, god help anyone who wants to be entertained by watching this team.

Has there been mention of any other team looking for a coach having interest in Torts? Or are we the only dumb franchise ready to give him the keys.

Honestly, look at our roster. What reason do we have to believe they'll be entertaining no matter who is coach?

Our top six highest paid forwards our Couturier (29), Kevin Hayes (30), JVR (33), Cam Atkinson (33), Konecny (25), and Farabee (22). Our top 3 D are Ellis (31), Provorov (25), and Ristolainen (27). It's not like we have much after those guys in the lineup.

In addition to being pretty crappy, that's probably one of the oldest cores in the league, especially at forward. 2/3's of our top six are going to be between 30 and 34 by the end of next season. We were at the bottom of the league with that roster, Giroux, and everyone being a year younger before.

 

[freakydallas13]

Honestly, look at our roster. What reason do we have to believe they'll be entertaining no matter who is coach?

Our top six highest paid forwards our Couturier (29), Kevin Hayes (30), JVR (33), Cam Atkinson (33), Konecny (25), and Farabee (22). Our top 3 D are Ellis (31), Provorov (25), and Ristolainen (27). It's not like we have much after those guys in the lineup.

In addition to being pretty crappy, that's probably one of the oldest cores in the league, especially at forward. 2/3's of our top six are going to be between 30 and 34 by the end of next season. We were at the bottom of the league with that roster, Giroux, and everyone being a year younger before.

Oh I have no doubt this team will be anywhere from mediocre to terrible next year, but they could at least hire a coach who cares more about scoring off the rush and other fun exciting plays. They're probably going to suck, might as well make the games entertaining to watch.

 

[Garbage Goal]

Oh I have no doubt this team will be anywhere from mediocre to terrible next year, but they could at least hire a coach who cares more about scoring off the rush and other fun exciting plays. They're probably going to suck, might as well make the games entertaining to watch.

I guess my point is there's not a way to make this team entertaining to watch. Aside from losing being inherently unfun, this team was built with dinosaur thinking and is probably one of the oldest in the league. I don't think they have the talent to be able to pull off scoring off the rush.

I guess fun is subjective though.

 

[Magua]

Heaven forbid this team show competency in a single area that, despite current managerial bungling, could be a stepping stone in a couple years. Like, say, hiring the next up and comer coach. This team is heading for the Dark Ages, but they could stumble backwards into something good instead of the turd pool into which they're cannonballing.

Fwiw, a team doesn’t have to be grossly talented to at least maximize the talents of the players at hand. Especially offensively. Whether this team fundamentally isn’t good enough or talented enough or watchable enough isn’t relevant to just getting the best out of what you have. You’re not worth a damn if you can’t do that.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Why are people afraid Torts won't get the best out of the Nate twins.

I can't wait on Torts overplaying vets, not developing youth, playing "good" enough to be the 8th worst team in league so we don't get Berard. The excitement to see more Seeler and less kids D man, I cannot wait to see.

But remember when Torts is hired.

ITS ALL HEXY'S AND GHOST'S FAULT!

 

[Garbage Goal]

Heaven forbid this team show competency in a single area that, despite current managerial bungling, could be a stepping stone in a couple years. Like, say, hiring the next up and comer coach. This team is heading for the Dark Ages, but they could stumble backwards into something good instead of the turd pool into which they're cannonballing.

Fwiw, a team doesn’t have to be grossly talented to at least maximize the talents of the players at hand. Especially offensively. Whether this team fundamentally isn’t good enough or talented enough or watchable enough isn’t relevant to just getting the best out of what you have. You’re not worth a damn if you can’t do that.

I mean, I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Anyone can maximize talent, but that's what good teams do generally. Or lucky ones. We are neither.

If we were, the candidates wouldn't be Trotz or Torts. If we were, we wouldn't be in this position in the first place. I'm not saying it should be Torts or Trotz, but that's the scenario we find ourselves in and we are powerless to influence in the moment. Given those two choices, which are not mine or yours or any fans, I say Torts because neither coach is desirable ultimately and neither will lead to desirable outcomes. Tortz might be able to maximize the output of this roster for a season or two. The possibility exists. That still ends up looking like boring, defensively-minded hockey though while fighting to be a fringe playoff team (which simply means fighting to be around the halfway point in the league standings). It's not innovative or maximizing anything long-term and I personally wouldn't view it as exciting or fun to watch.

I agree with you, but the choice we seem to be getting is Trotz versus Torts. Not Trotz versus Torts versus falling backwards into something good because they aren't worth a damn.

 

[Angry Hockey Dad]

I always knew it would be the worst available option that gets hired. With the number of coaches available right now it’s pathetic that it is going to be Torts.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Good guy, Torts.

Goes to show you that the media members take care of the “nice” people rather than just do their job without bias.

No different then when they all cried when AV was fired because he gave them that sweet sweet acknowledgement they all crave with the “Hi, Charlie.”

Hiring Torts is inevitable now with how the talking heads are conducting themselves. I mean it was always inevitable because this organization is ran by cavemen.

 

[Tripod]

Seems like flyers want Trotz 1st, but he has options and are waiting on his decision.

Torts is the #2 who has no options, so is willing to be the fallback option and wait.

Good times!

 

[Embiid]

Good guy, Torts.

Goes to show you that the media members take care of the “nice” people rather than just do their job without bias.

No different then when they all cried when AV was fired because he gave them that sweet sweet acknowledgement they all crave with the “Hi, Charlie.”

Hiring Torts is inevitable now with how the talking heads are conducting themselves. I mean it was always inevitable because this organization is ran by cavemen.

Meltzer 10 years ago used to be so much better. He is such a shill now...

Everybody in the media got played by Hitch too....until he and Clarke totally shit the bed in that season that shall not be named.

 

[TheKingPin]

I am surprised that Trotz is in this final 2. But he has coached locally for awhile. He would be closer to DC than when in NYC. He’s already won a cup. Why not get paid a record number of guaranteed money and be close to home base?

As others have said he would have such an easy path to management here, which he is rumored to be interested in.

Good guy, Torts.

Goes to show you that the media members take care of the “nice” people rather than just do their job without bias.

No different then when they all cried when AV was fired because he gave them that sweet sweet acknowledgement they all crave with the “Hi, Charlie.”

Hiring Torts is inevitable now with how the talking heads are conducting themselves. I mean it was always inevitable because this organization is ran by cavemen.

Just buttering up the fan base. Basically a confirmatory tweet that it’s Trotz.