Confirmed with Link: The new coach of the Philadelphia Flyers is John Tortorella

[Striiker]

I'm hesitant to say TK is. I'd say borderline top line winger.

Totally with you on Ellis. He has to play actually play to have merit.

This team is going to flounder on the power play. I'll be shocked if they don't finish bottom 5 there. I'm not sure why anyone thinks the PK is going to magically improve as well but I'll wait and see on that.

Add Couturier back and Ellis and I'll say this is a bottom 10 team.

I'd say TK easily is. His 5v5 scoring is great, it's his low PP scoring that keeps the totals from looking more legit.

 

[deadhead]

TK's 5x5 scoring is solid, "great" is pushing it:

last 3 years, 2.21/60, 50th among forwards (1500+ minutes)
last 2 years, 2.15/60, 66th among forwards (1000+ minutes)
Farabee has outscored him, and he's three years younger.

He should be better with a healthy Couts, but has to take it up a notch to join the top group of scorers.

 

[deadhead]

I'm hesitant to say TK is. I'd say borderline top line winger.

Totally with you on Ellis. He has to play actually play to have merit.

This team is going to flounder on the power play. I'll be shocked if they don't finish bottom 5 there. I'm not sure why anyone thinks the PK is going to magically improve as well but I'll wait and see on that.

Add Couturier back and Ellis and I'll say this is a bottom 10 team.

If they get a good HC they'll turn the PP around, it was much better down the stretch with the kids learning on the job.
Same with the PK.
Regression to the mean alone should significantly improve both units.
I predict York will be a better PP QB next season than Ghost, who has declined the past three years.
Whether Brink is ready for a NHL starting job is a question, but he definitely will be an upgrade on the PP.

Farabee - Couts - TK is a legitimate 1st line, Farabee has outscored G at 5x5 the last 3 seasons and should be stronger and healthier next season. TK is more middle of the pack as a 1st line forward, but should be helped by the return of Couts.

Second line is more of a question, Hayes looked healthy for the first time in almost two years, Lindblom is still feeling the aftermath of cancer, he struggled to put two good games together, Atkinson wore down and was dinged by the end of the season. If all three are 100% it's a solid line, but IF . . .

Sanheim really wore down the end of the season as his load increased, that bears watching - he may need to be limited to 2nd pair minutes to keep him fresh - his offense is too valuable to overwork him. So if Ellis doesn't make it back, I see Provorov - York or Provorov - Attard (or both depending on situations) as the 1st pair, Sanheim - Risto, and York/Zamula/Attard/Hogberg as the third pair.

Wisdom and Desnoyers will be the wildcards, both are having great CHL playoffs, both are more defensively sound than most offensive players coming out of junior, and therefore could play on a 4th line and work their way up or start in LHV. Allison simply comes down to can he stay on the ice?

 

[Lindberg]

If they get a good HC they'll turn the PP around, it was much better down the stretch with the kids learning on the job.
Same with the PK.
Regression to the mean alone should significantly improve both units.
I predict York will be a better PP QB next season than Ghost, who has declined the past three years.
Whether Brink is ready for a NHL starting job is a question, but he definitely will be an upgrade on the PP.

Farabee - Couts - TK is a legitimate 1st line, Farabee has outscored G at 5x5 the last 3 seasons and should be stronger and healthier next season. TK is more middle of the pack as a 1st line forward, but should be helped by the return of Couts.

Second line is more of a question, Hayes looked healthy for the first time in almost two years, Lindblom is still feeling the aftermath of cancer, he struggled to put two good games together, Atkinson wore down and was dinged by the end of the season. If all three are 100% it's a solid line, but IF . . .

Sanheim really wore down the end of the season as his load increased, that bears watching - he may need to be limited to 2nd pair minutes to keep him fresh - his offense is too valuable to overwork him. So if Ellis doesn't make it back, I see Provorov - York or Provorov - Attard (or both depending on situations) as the 1st pair, Sanheim - Risto, and York/Zamula/Attard/Hogberg as the third pair.

Wisdom and Desnoyers will be the wildcards, both are having great CHL playoffs, both are more defensively sound than most offensive players coming out of junior, and therefore could play on a 4th line and work their way up or start in LHV. Allison simply comes down to can he stay on the ice?

If they get a good hc. If Couturier is healthy. If York actually proves to be better than Ghost. If Brink is ready/difference maker. If Lindblom actually returns to his pre-cancer form. If all three are 100%.

If if if if if if if.

This team isn't going anywhere besides bottom 10.

 

[Larry44]

I'd say Couturier, TK, and Sanheim are either top line or top pair players.

Ellis doesn't count until he plays 10 games in a row.

And people don't realize how badly we're going to miss Giroux. This team got infinitely worse.

G was amazing last night for FLA. Scored, set up 2 incl OT winner after a great forecheck. They are going to miss him.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

People forget that coaching didn’t matter for years when it came to AV. Now it’s the most important thing in the world.

 

[Striiker]

If York actually proves to be better than Ghost.

 

[Larry44]

If they get a good hc. If Couturier is healthy. If York actually proves to be better than Ghost. If Brink is ready/difference maker. If Lindblom actually returns to his pre-cancer form. If all three are 100%.

If if if if if if if.

This team isn't going anywhere besides bottom 10.

If they win the lottery they’ll get Bedard. That’s the most this org can hope for.

 

[Lindberg]

Cam York has 4 power play points in his career. He's got a whopping 10 points.

I don't think deadhead realizes how poor his argument is in regards to the reality of where this team is.

Let's be clear here. Being better than the likes of Montreal, Buffalo, Arizona isn't exactly something to be striving for.






There's some serious underrating about the quality of Giroux here. The guy won the series for the Panthers in game 7.

 

[Striiker]

Cam York has 4 power play points in his career. He's got a whopping 10 points.

I don't think deadhead realizes how poor his argument is in regards to the reality of where this team is.

Let's be clear here. Being better than the likes of Montreal, Buffalo, Arizona isn't exactly something to be striving for.

Yorks getting overhyped because he's a Fletcher pick, Ghost will always be comically underrated, and making up dishonest bullshit is an addiction for some people.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I bet a few people on this forum think the Flyers with Kevin Hayes, Keith Yandle and Ristolanien can compete with that.

I don't even expect anyone to answer this but if you look at the Flyers roster you can't honestly think the Flyers are competitive. How are they going to get through Tampa, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Florida, or hell even Washington in the next two to three years? You also might want to go look at the Devils roster....

this team WILL be worse next year...

no Roo, and soon to be a gross set of trades/old vet additions...

 

[deadhead]

Cam York has 4 power play points in his career. He's got a whopping 10 points.

I don't think deadhead realizes how poor his argument is in regards to the reality of where this team is.

Let's be clear here. Being better than the likes of Montreal, Buffalo, Arizona isn't exactly something to be striving for.






There's some serious underrating about the quality of Giroux here. The guy won the series for the Panthers in game 7.

Ghost has been mediocre for years on the PP, people think he's the same player he was five years ago.
PP xGF/60: 9.96, 8.95, 8.20, 6.28, 7.45, 6.08
York in 30 games: xGF/60: 7.56.

York just turned 21, Ghost had 3 years of college hockey, and was a 22 year old rookie. He was injured at 21.

 

[Lindberg]

Ghost has been mediocre for years on the PP, people think he's the same player he was five years ago.
PP xGF/60: 9.96, 8.95, 8.20, 6.28, 7.45, 6.08
York in 30 games: xGF/60: 7.56.

York just turned 21, Ghost had 3 years of college hockey, and was a 22 year old rookie. He was injured at 21.

Do you just constantly use statistics as a way to avoid reality?

You're gonna try and argue that the guy who has 4 points in 30 games is a better power play performer than Ghost? Arizona is an awful team as well up front. Giroux is gone, the power play isn't going to get any better.

You do know Ghost put up 19 points this year which if I'm calculating correct is a hell of a lot better than 4 in 30 games.

 

[deadhead]

Do you just constantly use statistics as a way to avoid reality?

You're gonna try and argue that the guy who has 4 points in 30 games is a better power play performer than Ghost? Arizona is an awful team as well up front. Giroux is gone, the power play isn't going to get any better.

You do know Ghost put up 19 points this year which if I'm calculating correct is a hell of a lot better than 4 in 30 games.

Arizona is an awful team, but isn't your argument that the Flyers are an awful team?
Don't care what York did this season, that was his first experience with the NHL on a dysfunctional PP.
I expect him to be a lot better next season on a much improved PP (can't get worse, can it?).

Flyers PP problem in 2021 was primarily the inability to "finish," xGF/60: 6.73, GF/60: 4.26 [Zona 5.58/4.76)
2020-21: xGF/60: 6.23, GF/60: 6.59
2019-20: xGF/60: 6.02, GF/60: 7.40
2018-19: xGF/60: 7.61, GF/60: 5.80
2017-18: xGF/60: 7.68, GF/60: 7.40
2016-17: xGF/60: 8.17, GF/60: 6.95
2015-16: xGF/60: 7.33, GF/60: 6.73
Now how much of the variance of goals scored is "puck luck" v finishing skill?

 

[Lindberg]

Arizona is an awful team, but isn't your argument that the Flyers are an awful team?
Don't care what York did this season, that was his first experience with the NHL on a dysfunctional PP.
I expect him to be a lot better next season on a much improved PP (can't get worse, can it?).

Flyers PP problem in 2021 was primarily the inability to "finish," xGF/60: 6.73, GF/60: 4.26 [Zona 5.58/4.76)
2020-21: xGF/60: 6.23, GF/60: 6.59
2019-20: xGF/60: 6.02, GF/60: 7.40
2018-19: xGF/60: 7.61, GF/60: 5.80
2017-18: xGF/60: 7.68, GF/60: 7.40
2016-17: xGF/60: 8.17, GF/60: 6.95
2015-16: xGF/60: 7.33, GF/60: 6.73
Now how much of the variance of goals scored is "puck luck" v finishing skill?

Here's the problem. You're expecting. The Flyers were bad this year and removed their best player.

I question your ability to use xGF/60 over actual GF/60 because rarely ever do they seem to align up (which is the point of using statistics/predictive modeling). You're just using statistics as a way to talk about how the team will improve but not using actual sound reasoning as to why things would improve.

"I flipped the coin 10 times and it landed on tails all ten times, so it's gotta be heads on the next flip!"

 

[Rebels57]

Yorks getting overhyped because he's a Fletcher pick, Ghost will always be comically underrated, and making up dishonest bullshit is an addiction for some people.

York doesnt look like anything special to me yet at the pro level. Still early though.

Here's the problem. You're expecting. The Flyers were bad this year and removed their best player.

I question your ability to use xGF/60 over actual GF/60 because rarely ever do they seem to align up (which is the point of using statistics/predictive modeling). You're just using statistics as a way to talk about how the team will improve but not using actual sound reasoning as to why things would improve.

"I flipped the coin 10 times and it landed on tails all ten times, so it's gotta be heads on the next flip!"

"I argued with deadhead 10 times and he played the contrarian all 10 times, so he's gonna see it my way the next time!"

 

[Lindberg]

York doesnt look like anything special to me yet at the pro level. Still early though.


"I argued with deadhead 10 times and he played the contrarian all 10 times, so he's gonna see it my way the next time!"

It's fine. He just forgot to use a sarcastic smiley or /sarcasm at the end of his post.

 

[DancingPanther]

Since my last prediction was a dread ringer, I'm going to say no more than 70 points next year. 82 Girouxless games is going to risk relegation.

Hart might steal a few to keep them from the "no more than 60" range

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Since my last prediction was a dread ringer, I'm going to say no more than 70 points next year. 82 Girouxless games is going to risk relegation.

Hart might steal a few to keep them from the "no more than 60" range

While I'm with you in spirit, we have to see what offseason moves are made. It's still possible they put together a non-playoff team that could push for 80 points, but it's equally likely they have the best shot at Bedard before the lottery balls drops (phrasing).

 

[DancingPanther]

Connor by himself

 

[Striiker]

Here's the problem. You're expecting. The Flyers were bad this year and removed their best player.

I question your ability to use xGF/60 over actual GF/60 because rarely ever do they seem to align up (which is the point of using statistics/predictive modeling). You're just using statistics as a way to talk about how the team will improve but not using actual sound reasoning as to why things would improve.

"I flipped the coin 10 times and it landed on tails all ten times, so it's gotta be heads on the next flip!"

The problem is xGF/60 is a unit stat, not an individual one. So if someone was to be traded to the worst roster in the league or have their PP ruined by some stupid c*** named Michel, that would be seen in that stat, even if the individuals play had stayed literally 100% the same or even improved.

York doesnt look like anything special to me yet at the pro level. Still early though.


"I argued with deadhead 10 times and he played the contrarian all 10 times, so he's gonna see it my way the next time!"

He’s just “fine”, which is all he needs to be right now, since it’s early for him and our other options are atrocious.

But comparing him to Ghost, especially on the PP, isn’t something worth taking seriously. Their skill sets aren’t similar and their impacts never will be. It’s like comparing Cates to Giroux.

 

[HAL 1000]

Wow! What incredible barn burner series wins by Tampa Bay and Edmonton. I’ve never seen offensive outbursts like that since the Great One laced up skates.

Clearly a dominating offense wins playoff series in the modern era when two quality teams play no matter how well the opponent plays defense.

 

[Striiker]

 

[TheKingPin]

I don’t think we can be saying “I thought defense wins games” sarcastically until round 3 and 4. Usually the first round has more goals and then it tightens up.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don’t think we can be saying “I thought defense wins games” sarcastically until round 3 and 4. Usually the first round has more goals and then it tightens up.

Can’t get past the first round if you can’t score though.

Flyers can’t do that.