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While I understand what you're saying here, I think we underestimate the value that players can now get outside of their NHL deals. If a young good player like EP wants a different hockey situation, they can be relatively sure that they would be able to make up the difference in pay through other means, ie Instagram promotions, ads, etc. While yes, the agent is probably being the adult in the room saying to take the guaranteed money, I'd also guess that EP is one of the few players who would be confident enough in himself that he would rather be in the best hockey situation to win rather than in the place where he'll be paid the most

is that really true for hockey the way it is for basketball and football? I think the amount of money even a McDavid or Crosby can get from endorsements and such are basically couch cushion money by comparison, and Pettersson isn’t on their level.
 
is that really true for hockey the way it is for basketball and football? I think the amount of money even a McDavid or Crosby can get from endorsements and such are basically couch cushion money by comparison, and Pettersson isn’t on their level.

McDavid/Ovechkin/Crosby are in the 4-5 mil a year range. The Leafs stars are in the 1-3 mil range. Seems like under a million for the rest.

The NHL’s Highest-Paid Players 2021: Matthews, McDavid And Marner Score Despite Leaguewide Pay Cuts

So yeah, unless you're a superstar or a Leaf you won't see a big bump.
 
Well today Benning woke up and said "I wonder what happened to the cap?"
You see he forgot he had been giving out millions of dollars to other team castoffs and casting off his selected picks and prospects or not signing them.
Well today is a new day, I wonder what will happen now?
10 mil for 3 players, 13,5 once Ferland is LTIR.
Yep, that ought crush the cap max so no player can even be brought up to the NHL.
So another year of being over the cap and helpless.

To review 2 players with less than 2 full NHL seasons have been paid 7.5 mil and a 3rd 2.6 mil

Why is the grass always greener on the other side of the fence?

If spending 10 mil on marginal players why not target one really good player or two. 10 mil is pretty respectable for a FA don't you think? Especially if that FA is a minute eater, bone crusher or can score 40 or 50 points if favoured with over 60% OZ starts and never gets tired or hurt blocking shot on the PK.

So today Benning is surprised that he still has two of his own to sign, both have more games than those he gifted and more points and maybe they are more important.
He is surprised that they want more than some guy just traded for,
He can't understand how Petey thinks he is better than Garland
Over pay Garland because Benning likes little guys but ask the team's stars to take hair cuts.

Does anyone think they know where this is going? Do you think Benning knows?
What does he think is going to happen?
Even the RFA's will want out of this mad house.
Every contract coming up for a key player will want much, much more.

Benning has set the standard for future contracts while he is here.
Boeser, Horvat, Miller are surely gone soon, the team doesn't have the cap space now

Today is a brand new day!

Benning woke up this morning wondering what happened and who can I blame?
 
Well today Benning woke up and said "I wonder what happened to the cap?"
You see he forgot he had been giving out millions of dollars to other team castoffs and casting off his selected picks and prospects or not signing them.
Well today is a new day, I wonder what will happen now?
10 mil for 3 players, 13,5 once Ferland is LTIR.
Yep, that ought crush the cap max so no player can even be brought up to the NHL.
So another year of being over the cap and helpless.

To review 2 players with less than 2 full NHL seasons have been paid 7.5 mil and a 3rd 2.6 mil

Why is the grass always greener on the other side of the fence?

If spending 10 mil on marginal players why not target one really good player or two. 10 mil is pretty respectable for a FA don't you think? Especially if that FA is a minute eater, bone crusher or can score 40 or 50 points if favoured with over 60% OZ starts and never gets tired or hurt blocking shot on the PK.

So today Benning is surprised that he still has two of his own to sign, both have more games than those he gifted and more points and maybe they are more important.
He is surprised that they want more than some guy just traded for,
He can't understand how Petey thinks he is better than Garland
Over pay Garland because Benning likes little guys but ask the team's stars to take hair cuts.

Does anyone think they know where this is going? Do you think Benning knows?
What does he think is going to happen?
Even the RFA's will want out of this mad house.
Every contract coming up for a key player will want much, much more.

Benning has set the standard for future contracts while he is here.
Boeser, Horvat, Miller are surely gone soon, the team doesn't have the cap space now

Today is a brand new day!

Benning woke up this morning wondering what happened and who can I blame?

Your calculations are bad. It's around 16 million left for Hughes/EP. They have left themselves with limited flexibility in future years, but for this year they should be fine.
 
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While I understand what you're saying here, I think we underestimate the value that players can now get outside of their NHL deals. If a young good player like EP wants a different hockey situation, they can be relatively sure that they would be able to make up the difference in pay through other means, ie Instagram promotions, ads, etc. While yes, the agent is probably being the adult in the room saying to take the guaranteed money, I'd also guess that EP is one of the few players who would be confident enough in himself that he would rather be in the best hockey situation to win rather than in the place where he'll be paid the most
But why would he entertain that bet? He's a skinny, average-looking hockey player with a relatively lukewarm personality who has a limited grasp of the english language. Not to mention, there are only really a few US cities (LA, New York) that allows you to rub shoulders with the entertainment industry or large advertising firms. He would be wise to stick with his talents and not try to chase promotions or social media stardom. With a guy like him, his money is in sport and that's about it.
 
While I understand what you're saying here, I think we underestimate the value that players can now get outside of their NHL deals. If a young good player like EP wants a different hockey situation, they can be relatively sure that they would be able to make up the difference in pay through other means, ie Instagram promotions, ads, etc. While yes, the agent is probably being the adult in the room saying to take the guaranteed money, I'd also guess that EP is one of the few players who would be confident enough in himself that he would rather be in the best hockey situation to win rather than in the place where he'll be paid the most

I was responding to a post that suggested that Petey's agent would be pushing for a short term deal. All I'm saying (ethics aside) is that it is in the agents' interest to secure a long term $$$ contract for Petey.

In the end this is real life and negotiations require a some give and take. Petey may want a 4 year deal but the Canucks shouldn't have that on the table. Neither should a 5 year deal without some significant cap savings (i.e. no Matthews situation). That should mean either a short term bridge or a longer term deal. You can be confident about yourself and don't want to be tied down to a "hockey situation" that you may not like, but you're still trying to make an informed decision. Agents value UFA years highly so any deal that involves buying UFA years you already have the UFA years priced in. So while a player can ultimately make more by going to UFA as soon as possible it also comes at a risk.

Offer sheets are rare and a player in his RFA years has no say on where he plays in the NHL. The only leverage in that situation is if you're in your last RFA year like Seth Jones and refuse to sign an extension, even then there's nothing stopping a team from simply keeping the player for the year. So ya Petey can force a short term deal then go to arbitration every year. But that's hardly ideal even for the player. Most players don't get too involved in the contract negotiations for a reason. They just want to concentrate on playing hockey. If there's no choice then ya you go out there and prove yourself. But if there is a choice, it's always nice knowing that no matter what happens you will still be paid.
 
I was responding to a post that was making comparisons to last season.



The lack of top picks the last couple seasons is going to hurt but at the same time I think the acquisition of Garland and emergence of Hoglander and hopefully Pods can buy the team some time. At the end of day you're not guaranteed to draft NHL players and it is actual depth you want and not superficial depth (e.g. a Hoglander in the system vs Lind and Gadjovich).

I think people overuse the term "bubble team." Under your definition, the Leafs, Islanders, and Hurricanes were "bubble teams" in 19-20. There's a lot of parity in the league and there often isn't very much separating the 6th seed in the Conference and 8th seed. In most years, you have 5-6 teams competing for the last 3 playoff spots.
What makes Garland so great? Really? I don't get all this hype, kind of reminds me of the Baerstchi hype.
This is a player that not many know and haven't seen much of.
Stats wise he isn't a scoring machine.
He doesn't have that much NHL experience either, he couldn't crack Arizona's line up except through injuries, I wonder if Benning noted that.
He is another sub 5'10" player, the NHL always rounds UP, that is why no player is ever 6'1 1/2" and Hughes is listed as 5'10" in the NHL and 5'9 1/4" in IHF
Same with weight, I think the NHL includes equipment weight
Another player that doesn't play any PK
He is probably an upgrade of some player but did he really warrant such a huge pay increase, going from $775,000 to $4.95 million?

The bubble and parity are illusions created by the loser point.
That is why up to 80% of the playoff teams are decided by Turkey day in the states, I have found that up to 90% are decided by December 15.
At the end of every season there are teams that tank to take advantage of an opportunity they never had before, an improved chance at the top draft prospects, the draft lottery.
Often really bad teams go for a romp at the end of the season when other teams are tanking and as much as the NHL says they don't like this tanking it does spur fan hope for the next season and help sell tickets for the start of the next year.
The "Bubble team" is just a team stuck in the mushy middle, not quite good enough and not quite bad enough.
Vegas odds makers are rarely out to lunch when deciding the odds and for a few years there were some media and a lot of fans that were dead on with their evaluations of where the team would end up.
As far as "Bubble" for the Canucks, every media type on the air doesn't target the team's soft spots, they sell only optimism, that is better than pessimism but realism should be the target.

On paper the Canucks are no better than last year and now they have a less than enthusiastic core waiting for the other shoe to drop. We, long term fans, have seen this before, most fans will recognize it in the form of the futility of the Edmonton Oilers. Vancouver fans ridiculed them for a decade and still do but their problem has been finely crafted onto this team by Benning.

The team is still very shallow, not much depth, still counting on aging vets, signing really good AHL players, spending to the cap, relying on the goalie, rushing the young guys and putting enormous pressure on them to make the team succeed.

I don't know why Benning is allowed to continue but doing the same thing over and over again and saying it is different, maybe the names have changed but not players.

The team is now compromised for the next 3 years and up to 5 years into the future, no 1rst rnd picks, while they haven't been the boon to this team most other teams have been cleaning up in the draft. That is why Benning goes after other teams drafted players and lets all his go for nothing or buys them out to leave.
 
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Which Vancouver Canucks should get an ‘A’ on their jerseys for 2021/22?

Article discussing with the roster turnover who wears a letter next season.

I think the team will be boring and Sutter keeps his 'A' and they give Edler's to OEL.

JT Miller is a little too mercurial. Is it too soon to give one to Pettersson?

Maybe they want a defenseman to wear a letter. Technically Hughes is the longest tenured defender. I think it's OEL first then Myers who would get it.
Myers Sutter and OEL should get the A
 
What makes Garland so great? Really? I don't all this hype, kind of reminds me of the Baerstchi hype.
This is a player that not many know and haven't seen much of.
Stats wise he isn't a scoring machine.
He doesn't have that much NHL experience either, he couldn't crack Arizona's line up except through injuries, I wonder if Benning noted that.
He is another sub 5'10" player, the NHL always rounds UP, that is why no player is ever 6'1 1/2" and Hughes is listed as 5'10" in the NHL and 5'9 1/4" in IHF
Same with weight, I think the NHL includes equipment weight
Another player that doesn't play any PK
He is probably an upgrade of some player but did he really warrant such a huge pay increase, going from $775,000 to $4.95 million?

In 19-20 he produced at a rate of 26 goals 47 points over 82 games in 20-21 he produced at a rate of 2o goals 65 points over 82 games. Majority of Coyotes fans say he's their best player. He also scores most of his goals in and around the net.

He was 21st overall in 5v5 goals per 60 minutes (1.16), 50th overall in 5v5 points per 60 minutes (2.22), 33rd overall in 5v5 shots per 60 minutes (9.2) and 68th overall in 5v5 scoring chances per 60 minutes (8.54).

I think the "hype" is that he's a really good player who can play on your top 2 lines.

The bubble and parity are illusions created by the loser point.
That is why up to 80% of the playoff teams are decided by Turkey day in the states, I have found that up to 90% are decided by December 15.

And in 19-20 the Canucks were a sure-fire playoff team based on the above belief.

The team is still very shallow, not much depth, still counting on aging vets, signing really good AHL players, spending to the cap, relying on the goalie, rushing the young guys and putting enormous pressure on them to make the team succeed.

Which aging vet are they counting on?
 
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He's a lazy troll account. He's literally said he only wishes Benning succeeds to rub it in for other posters who have criticized Benning. Yet the mods turn a blind eye for some unknown reason. I'll probably get banned for calling a spade a spade in this post though.
How can you be a troll hyping up the Canucks in a Canucks forum?

What your saying is that this forum is exclusively for Benning criticizers.

Which leads to this...

I don't hear any complaints when someone says flat out "Benning is a Moron", or ridicules how he looks. The mods don't do much about that, which is fine, and those posts get lots of likes, so what's the problem if somebody goes the opposite direction by saying "best offseason ever"?
 
How can you be a troll hyping up the Canucks in a Canucks forum?

Because he literally has posted about how he wants Benning to succeed so that the naysayers eat crow. It's not about the Canucks or finding success. It's about trying to win a petty argument that is based on an untenable position that GM Benning is somehow good despite 7 years pointing to the contrary. He's just trying to ruffle feathers and it has nothing to do with the actual team.

And I don't hear any complaints when someone says flat out "Benning is a Moron", or ridicules how he looks. The mods don't do much about that, which is fine, and those posts get lots of likes, so what's the problem if somebody goes the opposite direction by saying "best offseason ever"?

A better analogy would be if the Canucks were one of the best teams in the league for 5/7 years with no signs of slowing down, and you had a poster saying how awful Benning is doing every offseason and how this next season is going to be terrible, just because he wanted the supporters of the team to eat crow. I've just flipped the situations to make it easier to understand.
 
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How can you be a troll hyping up the Canucks in a Canucks forum?

What your saying is that this forum is exclusively for Benning criticizers.

Which leads to this...

I don't hear any complaints when someone says flat out "Benning is a Moron", or ridicules how he looks. The mods don't do much about that, which is fine, and those posts get lots of likes, so what's the problem if somebody goes the opposite direction by saying "best offseason ever"?


We have been through before, a troll does not have to be pro or con for anything. This is a crap argument.
 
Because he literally has posted about how he wants Benning to succeed so that the naysayers eat crow. It's not about the Canucks or finding success. It's about trying to win a petty argument that is based on an untenable position that GM Benning is somehow good despite 7 years pointing to the contrary. He's just trying to rustle feathers and it has nothing to do with the actual team.



A better analogy would be if the Canucks were one of the best teams in the league for 5/7 years with no signs of slowing down, and you had a poster saying how awful Benning is doing every offseason and how this next season is going to be terrible, just because he wanted the supporters of the team to eat crow. I've just flipped the situations to make it easier to understand.

There's fair critique of Benning, then there's flat out vitriol directed towards him, so if your fine with over the top hatred for him, you have to be fine with (what you perceive as) over the top praise.
 
There's fair critique of Benning, then there's flat out vitriol directed towards him, so if your fine with over the top hatred for him, you have to be fine with (what you perceive as) over the top praise.

I don't think you really understood the point of my post if this is your response? I gave you an opposite scenario that still conveys the same issue. It's not about whether Benning is a good or bad GM, it's about the dishonest and disingenuous guise of his posts that are solely directed at stirring the pot. It's bad faith bullshit that should not be tolerated on here if we actually prevented trolling.

Anyways, in response to your post, criticism does not always mean hatred. The objective facts do not favour Benning being a competent GM (winning % or points %). It's understandable why there is more criticism than praise of Benning on here as that reflects the reality of his record as GM here. It's as simple as that.
 
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