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[F A N]

I don't believe in 4th liners having a letter on their jersey, but I expect Sutter to keep his A.

I find it insulting to EP that he won't have one - he's the franchise player.

Islanders gave Tavares an A after he signed a 6 year contract. I think the Canucks can do the same with EP.

 

[elitepete]

Which Vancouver Canucks should get an ‘A’ on their jerseys for 2021/22?

Article discussing with the roster turnover who wears a letter next season.

I think the team will be boring and Sutter keeps his 'A' and they give Edler's to OEL.

JT Miller is a little too mercurial. Is it too soon to give one to Pettersson?

Maybe they want a defenseman to wear a letter. Technically Hughes is the longest tenured defender. I think it's OEL first then Myers who would get it.

EP absolutely should have an A. It would be a joke if he doesn’t get one.

 

[rypper]

EP absolutely should have an A. It would be a joke if he doesn’t get one.

Sutter and OEL I'm betting.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

EP absolutely should have an A. It would be a joke if he doesn’t get one.

I dunno. OEL needs to mentor him, according to Benning.

 

[Nucker101]

Miller for sure gets one. If they do a rotation with a 3rd guy like usual then I’d guess OEL and Sutter.

 

[Jack Burton]

Miller for sure gets one. If they do a rotation with a 3rd guy like usual then I’d guess OEL and Sutter.

Miller is my best bet...Benning needs something to negotiate with

 

[Hansen]

Was just looking through our schedule for home games (living in Van now and my brother wants to come over for a game, even though ironically now that I finally live here and am close for games I have very little interest in financially supporting the franchise)

is it just me or is it a brutal first half with a shit ton of road trips?

 

[canuckking1]

Which Vancouver Canucks should get an ‘A’ on their jerseys for 2021/22?

Article discussing with the roster turnover who wears a letter next season.

I think the team will be boring and Sutter keeps his 'A' and they give Edler's to OEL.

JT Miller is a little too mercurial. Is it too soon to give one to Pettersson?

Maybe they want a defenseman to wear a letter. Technically Hughes is the longest tenured defender. I think it's OEL first then Myers who would get it.

Think it's about time Boeser gets an A.

 

[Nucker101]

Was just looking through our schedule for home games (living in Van now and my brother wants to come over for a game, even though ironically now that I finally live here and am close for games I have very little interest in financially supporting the franchise)

is it just me or is it a brutal first half with a shit ton of road trips?

I feel like it’s better to get those out of the way during the first half, better for team bonding, and there’s more tired legs and beat up bodies by the 2nd half of the season

 

[xtra]

They are really gonna be razor close to the upper cap. A bunch of small injuries and they will be screwed

 

[GreatSaveLuongo]

He overspent on Myers Pooman Pearson with the addtional saved budget we can easily sign Hughes and EP to long term contracts

 

[Javaman]

He overspent on Myers Pooman Pearson with the addtional saved budget we can easily sign Hughes and EP to long term contracts

Recent scuttlebutt suggests that, at the very least, Pettersson has no interest in a long term contract. Wouldn't surprise me to find that Hughes feels the same way. I suspect that their agent is pushing the negotiations to short term deals that gets Pettersson and Hughes to UFA status sooner rather than later. A good agent will always seek to maximize a client's leverage.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

They are really gonna be razor close to the upper cap. A bunch of small injuries and they will be screwed

Screwed compared to what? Their Cup chances?

 

[The Vasili Jerry]

One of the problems (among the many) is the blue line depth. The defense at full health isn’t great (to be kind) but imagine if even just Myers gets injured; then you have a right side of Hamonic, Poolman, and Schenn. We all know the Canucks’ history with injuries. It’s going to happen. Then the defense is going to get caved in even more. I don’t mind the forward group, but they won’t be able to outscore the defensive problems when injuries happen.

 

[rypper]

Canucks have another buyout window if needed but I struggle to think of someone they would use it on.

 

[xtra]

Screwed compared to what? Their Cup chances?

Lol the bar for this management team is can they ice a full roster all year

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Lol the bar for this management team is can they ice a full roster all year

Maybe even without asking the league for cba help, like big boy management!

 

[VanillaCoke]

Recent scuttlebutt suggests that, at the very least, Pettersson has no interest in a long term contract. Wouldn't surprise me to find that Hughes feels the same way. I suspect that their agent is pushing the negotiations to short term deals that gets Pettersson and Hughes to UFA status sooner rather than later. A good agent will always seek to maximize a client's leverage.

Agreed, them having the same agent implies the same agenda, with a powerful agent is trouble for dimjim.
I'm expecting short term deals for both and EP approaching 8M.

 

[F A N]

Recent scuttlebutt suggests that, at the very least, Pettersson has no interest in a long term contract. Wouldn't surprise me to find that Hughes feels the same way. I suspect that their agent is pushing the negotiations to short term deals that gets Pettersson and Hughes to UFA status sooner rather than later. A good agent will always seek to maximize a client's leverage.

Their agent(s)' clients have tend to sign long term contracts in the past.

Their agents have a vested interest in maximizing the overall $$$ figure. I've said this before, but if you're Petey's agent, would you not push him towards a long term contract? Not to question the agents ethics, but Petey has switched agents before, can Brisson and Barry be sure he won't switch again? An 8 year X $8.5-10M AAV contract guarantees that they get paid and certainly in terms of overall $$$ figure it would be one of the richest contracts.

 

[hookshott]

Think it's about time Boeser gets an A.

Cannot stand the overemphasis in hockey as to who has a letter on their jersey! Does it really matter? Does it make them a better "leader" or do real leaders just naturally lead...letter or no letter? Who is the captain of the Lions, Whitecaps, Yankees etc. Probably cannot tell me....but I am sure all of these teams have "leaders".

 

[RandV]

I think the main improvement is depth and the addition of Garland and (hopefully) Podkolzin and you're underrating their possible impact. Instead of picking up guys like Vesey and Boyd on waivers the team is starting off with guys like that in the system. A player like Michaelis shouldn't get 15 game opportunity to put up 0s. So I think they are improved up front. Saying Dickinson is not as good of a goal scorer as Virtanen and a step back from Beagle's FO ability underscores the fact that Virtanen scored 5 goals and had 0 assists last season and Beagle was a 35 year old player tasked with 80+% zone starts.

I mean what was the Canucks' 3rd line to start last season? Gaudette/Sutter, Roussel, and Virtanen? Gaudette and Virtanen on the 3rd line might have sounded good on paper but in reality it was not. You don't think Dickinson, Pearson/Hoglander, and Pods will be better?

I don't think the D is better with the loss of Schmidt. But there's some hope that OEL can be better than what Edler was last season and I'm excited to see Rathbone play a full season. There's once again more depth. No Chatfield for Green to keep playing might end up having a sizable impact.

Probably shouldn't compare the depth to last season after Benning had a disastrous summer tanking team moral. And the loss of dead weight like Eriksson/Beagle/etc is offset by Pettersson/Hughes/Demko no longer being on ELC's. Then with a lack of top picks the last couple seasons while the starting 12 forwards look good on paper there is little to no depth behind them. The team should be able to handle injuries to the top six having 3 center options and all 3 3rd liners likely able to step up to fill in but the quality of the bottom will quickly degrade.

It may be enough to earn a playoff spot in a weak division but a lot is going to rest on how well the D plays, which looks extremely poor on paper. But rather than a big leap forward it's more like a return to the 19-20 team which itself was a bubble playoff team.

 

[RandV]

One of the problems (among the many) is the blue line depth. The defense at full health isn’t great (to be kind) but imagine if even just Myers gets injured; then you have a right side of Hamonic, Poolman, and Schenn. We all know the Canucks’ history with injuries. It’s going to happen. Then the defense is going to get caved in even more. I don’t mind the forward group, but they won’t be able to outscore the defensive problems when injuries happen.

I actually think the depth is pretty good, rather the problem is more the starting 6 just isn't very good. Depends on how you want to define 'depth', but I would say the team could take a few injuries and not see a notable decline in performance and that's depth. Like the difference between going from Hutton->Pouilliot vs Hamonic->Schenn. Big gap in the former, tiny in the latter.

The fact that this is because you're basically just shuffling a bunch of bottom pairing guys around is another matter entirely.

 

[F A N]

Probably shouldn't compare the depth to last season after Benning had a disastrous summer tanking team moral. And the loss of dead weight like Eriksson/Beagle/etc is offset by Pettersson/Hughes/Demko no longer being on ELC's.

I was responding to a post that was making comparisons to last season.

Then with a lack of top picks the last couple seasons while the starting 12 forwards look good on paper there is little to no depth behind them. The team should be able to handle injuries to the top six having 3 center options and all 3 3rd liners likely able to step up to fill in but the quality of the bottom will quickly degrade.

It may be enough to earn a playoff spot in a weak division but a lot is going to rest on how well the D plays, which looks extremely poor on paper. But rather than a big leap forward it's more like a return to the 19-20 team which itself was a bubble playoff team.

The lack of top picks the last couple seasons is going to hurt but at the same time I think the acquisition of Garland and emergence of Hoglander and hopefully Pods can buy the team some time. At the end of day you're not guaranteed to draft NHL players and it is actual depth you want and not superficial depth (e.g. a Hoglander in the system vs Lind and Gadjovich).

I think people overuse the term "bubble team." Under your definition, the Leafs, Islanders, and Hurricanes were "bubble teams" in 19-20. There's a lot of parity in the league and there often isn't very much separating the 6th seed in the Conference and 8th seed. In most years, you have 5-6 teams competing for the last 3 playoff spots.

 

[Hansen]

The hilarious thing is that these guys we’ve signed for Abbotsford are probably just as good as all the bottom six veteran presences weve overpaid for the last 7 years

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

Their agent(s)' clients have tend to sign long term contracts in the past.

Their agents have a vested interest in maximizing the overall $$$ figure. I've said this before, but if you're Petey's agent, would you not push him towards a long term contract? Not to question the agents ethics, but Petey has switched agents before, can Brisson and Barry be sure he won't switch again? An 8 year X $8.5-10M AAV contract guarantees that they get paid and certainly in terms of overall $$$ figure it would be one of the richest contracts.

While I understand what you're saying here, I think we underestimate the value that players can now get outside of their NHL deals. If a young good player like EP wants a different hockey situation, they can be relatively sure that they would be able to make up the difference in pay through other means, ie Instagram promotions, ads, etc. While yes, the agent is probably being the adult in the room saying to take the guaranteed money, I'd also guess that EP is one of the few players who would be confident enough in himself that he would rather be in the best hockey situation to win rather than in the place where he'll be paid the most