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But you understand this is the issue, right? It was too much term, too much money, and they were the wrong players to target. Every bad player we bring in for "off-ice leadership" is a downgrade of our on-ice product.

Christ hire some athletes from other sports as consultants or something if it's such a problem for our players to see what it's like to be a professional athlete without the help of people like Beagle or Roussel. Want someone who has "been there" and won the cup? There are plenty of retired players that can come in and give motivational speeches or whatever you seem to think will help, they don't need to take the odd shift where they get hemmed in their own zone to teach the other players some abstract lesson on keeping their legs moving.

How does having these losers on our roster help our team? Posters like you always say "veteran leadership", but they're a liability on the ice, create worse matchups for our young players, cause roster problems where we lose actual contributing players, and nobody has ever told me why this so called veteran leadership has to include an on-ice presence that is almost always underwhelming instead of just giving some former champ some assistant coach role.

In a cap world, you need to spend as much of that cap as possible on players that are actually good at hockey.
At the time..I wasnt happy or upset about Beagle or Roussel...I said at the time of the signing that it was too much term for both...Coach Green credited the vet guys with keeping the young core players on an even keel during the 2020 playoffs.

You (and I) have no idea of the influence the veteran leadership brings in an NHL dressing room...

Roussel was actually playing very well until he wrecked his knee, and hasn't been the same since..Beagle has been what he is.

But yes..the term on some of Bennings UFA deals certainly kneecapped cap flexibility down the road.
 
When you're transitioning from an old core to a new one..there's usually a considerable amount of losing involved..

Look at DET,OTT,NJD,LAK..
And you also acquire valuable draft picks when transitioning right? At the very least you don't trade away more than you start with... Let's take a look at how many draft picks each team you listed has picked ( in rounds 1-4 of the last 6 years) and then throw in Jim's total. So out of a possible 24 picks - 38,26,30,28, and 16. And when you look at just first round picks during that time (out of 6 picks) - 8,9, 9,6, and 4. I wonder which team is the one that's spent to that cap every year and also traded away prospects in addition to these picks, while trying to just make the playoffs every single year?
 
And you also acquire valuable draft picks when transitioning right? At the very least you don't trade away more than you start with... Let's take a look at how many draft picks each team you listed has picked ( in rounds 1-4 of the last 6 years) and then throw in Jim's total. So out of a possible 24 picks - 38,26,30,28, and 16. And when you look at just first round picks during that time (out of 6 picks) - 8,9, 9,6, and 4. I wonder which team is the one that's spent to that cap every year and also traded away prospects in addition to these picks, while trying to just make the playoffs every single year?
They didn’t do this..they wanted to compete for the playoffs (Sedins)…signaled before Benning arrived

For the 500th time.
 
They didn’t do this..they wanted to compete for the playoffs (Sedins)…signaled before Benning arrived

For the 500th time.
Okay so those numbers were for the last 6 years, let's look at the last three since the sedins left. Out of 12 possible picks - 19,16,17,17,5. Lol the Canucks actually picked twice as many times (1-4 rnd) in the last 3 years of the sedins 10 as they did in the three since they have retired.

It's just excuse after excuse. But the Sedins, but covid, but Aquilini, but injuries.... Benning is just a brutal GM that has a bad record since he has taken over and other than 3-4 great draft picks (with questions surrounding his intent to actually make those picks) are his only positive things he's done in 7 years on the job. Everything else has been below average to absolutely terrible.
 
Couldnt disagree more.
The "7 years" in your argument is one you guys use a lot, first off it was 7 years ago and the mandate by owners was to win, and he took them from a bottom 8 finish to winning the Pacific and snagging Brock at 23rd. I won't bother chronicling every move but any one who bothered to look would have seen the mess he inherited in literally every facet of being a GM. He made some good moves, shitty moves and moves that we're made directly because of the mess the previous GM made.
The only thread I've seen positive comments across all nuck fans was getting and signing Garland but there was still so many idiotic rants like how he didn't have a contract already done at the time of the trade to some truly troll worthy to the point other fanbases were laughing at them.
The anti crowd goes out of their way to jump on false rumours, go out of their way to shift praise on any good move he makes.
Most fanbases would look at just the massive amount of cap he created while improving the team and be like wow this is a huge win, instead we here OEL is an anchor 4 years from now which is only a million more for Edler and the cap will have gone up by then.
Questioning the moves are fine but to actively cheer for your team to lose games, trades, drafts, jumping on false rumours, just so your proven right about a guy is just sad .

Sad, but also something you're wrongly accusing the vast majority of people who critique Benning. We want the team to do well, that's why it's frustrating to see him damage the team repeatedly and predictably.

Not chronicling each individual move then is an easy way to avoid the fact that the vast majority of his decisions have been bad. Benning DOES get credit for when he does good things, and it's grossly inaccurate to say it's "just Garland"...BS. Boeser, Hughes, Petersson, the Burrows and Hansen trades, decent value signing for Horvat, Demko, even DiPietro, even the controversy around the Miller trade was a question of whether we were ready to make good on his value which is an honest hockey debate but one where people celebrated how good it turned out, getting Pearson for Gudbranson was LOUDLY celebrated, Dickinson I think has been well received, his AHL signings I think have been widely positive this year...to say it's "just Garland" is dishonest.

But year after year he has spent to the cap, been a net loser of draft picks and prospects (curious behaviour if he's not going all in), HE HIMSELF says they're trying to get into the playoffs and trades away future assets to do that year after year, and when he fails, his defenders somehow incredulously try to argue that he wasn't trying to do what he says he was trying to do and what his behaviour indicated he was trying to do.

Right, that's Gillis's fault...all those NTC's Gillis left...except that Benning was the one who gave NTC's to the likes of Beagle and Eriksson and Sutter, all while paying above market prices for poor performers with stupid term contracts.

It's Gilli's fault that we had a weak prospect pool...well, yes, Gillis traded away picks when competing for the Stanley Cup, Benning traded away draft picks while bottoming out in the league.

It's Gillis's fault for the cap overhang of a Hall of Famer Luongo...how does that compare to Benning's cap overhang of Eriksson, Roussel, Beagle, Spooner, Baertschi...and how many of those ones are going into the Hall of Fame exactly?

The vast, vast majority of Benning critics celebrate his successes...if we don't do it enough for your liking it's because Benning fails sooo much more than he succeeds.
 
This year really shows if you are an optimist or a pessimist with the Canucks. There is possible bad or good to focus on. Everyone likes the forwards and goalies, Everyone likes Hughes and Rathbone. OEL, Hamonic, Poolman and Myers are the great debate. If you think these 4 are average nhl d men or better than team is good. For the team to be legit bad these 4 must be terrible. I fall into the average camp but I understand the worry.
 
Their current GM was hired in April 2019. You're conflating whatever Holland had been doing before his arrival with what Yzerman's doing now, which misses the point entirely. They are two different people and managers.
However many GM’s, 1,2, or 3, Detroit is headed down the 7 to 9 year path that most teams go through in the cap era. Name me the teams that have rebuilt in 5 or 6 years in the cap era. Not many. There are so many examples of teams taking this long to rebuild that it becomes obvious that no matter which gm you hire, or fire, the reality is 7 to 9 years to become a consistent playoff team.
 
However many GM’s, 1,2, or 3, Detroit is headed down the 7 to 9 year path that most teams go through in the cap era. Name me the teams that have rebuilt in 5 or 6 years in the cap era. Not many. There are so many examples of teams taking this long to rebuild that it becomes obvious that no matter which gm you hire, or fire, the reality is 7 to 9 years to become a consistent playoff team.
Thinking on this a bit more, maybe the cap does some damage here by keeping teams down for so long. Hard to make sweeping trades, or too many fa signings. Basically build slowly through the draft. Hard for a franchise like Arizona to go through this.
 
Their current GM was hired in April 2019. You're conflating whatever Holland had been doing before his arrival with what Yzerman's doing now, which misses the point entirely. They are two different people and managers.
Red Wings we’re a lot like the Canucks in 2014-17....Holland was also rebuilding on the fly ..Steve Y is doing more of a classic rebuild.......Canucks have drafted better than the Wings..

Wings are still a few years away..This is going to be year six for them..An eight year absence from the playoffs is a real possibility.
 
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Buffalo is another example of a team wallowing in the slow cap ta rebuild. So slow that their high draft picks have become disgruntled and are now faced with another mini rebuild.
 
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