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TV: The Last of Us (HBO)

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Arthur Morgan said:
its also more so about loss and survival. there's only one thing that happens in the entire game that has anything to do with love and at the same time creating a monster. well already was a monster but more so now.
I also watched the Documentary for the 1st game,

Ive been a huge fan of this game since it's release in 2013 and I never seen so many people try to argue it's about love since this 3rd episode released. actually now that I think of it I dont think at any time since 2013 anyone argued this game was about love over loss and survival so I think I will just have to disagree with you. maybe the show is taking that direction but the game is not

Im sorry but one act at the end doesn't over weigh the rest of the game, it's not about love and its not a love story
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I never played the game so I don't really care what it or the show is supposed to be 'about'. But I think the pretty obvious theme being delivered here is in the letter Bill left telling Joel he protected his so make sure you protect yours, meaning Tess, but Tess is already dead and now he's travelling with Ellie. He's reluctant at the moment sticking to something of an asshole persona but I mean the show opened up showing him as a very dedicated dad with a loving daughter conveniently the same age as Ellie now with everything going to shit when he lost her.

I don't know exactly where this is going and I'm sure it's not just going to be all touchy feally but taking a detour to tell an unrelated love story aside it isn't complicated how it fits in. Plus the convenient loot factor.
 
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Peasy said:
Sad how much episode 3 is getting review bombed.

Personally, I'm the type of person that loves character driven shows rather than plot driven ones. So I thought this episode was fantastic and easily my favourite of the 3. Also helps that I absolutely love Murray Bartlett (seriously go check out White Lotus if you haven't, he is amazing in that). They did a great job showing what it could be like living in a post apocalyptic world, and also that while you are fighting for your survival, it is still important to LIVE. If you you are still not living and enjoying what you are doing, then whats the point of surviving?

To the person that is upset because he didnt get to see someone hanging upside shooting guns, just lol... What a poor reason to hate on an episode. HBO makes shows with substance, not just summer box office type of shows with big action scenes. Maybe hit up Yellowstone if you wanna see some more gun action.
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While, I hate review bombing and think it's a very dumb tool of a collective of passionate but very misguided idiots (this is fanbase that review bombed Last of Us 2 because they didn't like aspects of the story). I will say, in this case, it's not getting review bombed because the episode lacked action or focused on character development primarily. It's getting review bombed because they significantly deviated and changed the purpose of a great character in the game (Bill). What Bill emphasized in this episode thematically was there was hope for love and happiness in this world. In the game, he emphasized bitterness, and that love and trust will get you killed in this apocalyptic world. And, when you dramatically, change what a character does thematically in a story that has a very passionate fanbase, usually it results in backlash. Just look at what happened when Jack Reacher got played by Tom Cruise or how book readers reacted to certain changes in Game of Thrones. Not saying it's warranted, but I think you are misguided on one of the major reasons this episode is getting backlash.

I love the Last of Us games, and am one of the biggest proponents of HBO's premium shows (The Wire and Sopranos are my two favorite drama's of all time by a wide margin). I generally think video game adaptions are an absolutely terrible idea, but was hopeful for this one given the people and studio behind it. I'm enjoying this show, and hope these changes result in a masterpiece, but I am curious on how this change thematically plays out.
 
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RandV said:
I never played the game so I don't really care what it or the show is supposed to be 'about'. But I think the pretty obvious theme being delivered here is in the letter Bill left telling Joel he protected his so make sure you protect yours, meaning Tess, but Tess is already dead and now he's travelling with Ellie. He's reluctant at the moment sticking to something of an asshole persona but I mean the show opened up showing him as a very dedicated dad with a loving daughter conveniently the same age as Ellie now with everything going to shit when he lost her.

I don't know exactly where this is going and I'm sure it's not just going to be all touchy feally but taking a detour to tell an unrelated love story aside it isn't complicated how it fits in. Plus the convenient loot factor.
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hey you know the show doesnt have to be 100% like the game, I think the Bill we got on TV was fine, seemed little off but nothing crazy,

would have been fun to see some things that happen in that area happen on screen, some will still happen like they are kinda putting things in different places,

episode 2 when they are in the hotel and Ellie is pretending to be a customer at the front desk, that happens like 10 hours into the game, maybe even further. and I seen in the trailer the bloater in the gym well looks like that will happen too, just kinda sucks to not see the banter talk between Ellie and Bill among a few other things that I can live without.

it was weird seeing one of the episodes ending on a sad/happy note. from my experience with both games, there's not many moments you can consider happy moments in this game. most times it's when Ellie gets to experience something for the first time and seeing her joy, other than that. every and any moment the player can consider a happy moment is a nightmare for the other side.
 
93LEAFS said:
While, I hate review bombing and think it's a very dumb tool of a collective of passionate but very misguided idiots (this is fanbase that review bombed Last of Us 2 because they didn't like aspects of the story). I will say, in this case, it's not getting review bombed because the episode lacked action or focused on character development primarily. It's getting review bombed because they significantly deviated and changed the purpose of a great character in the game (Bill). What Bill emphasized in this episode thematically was there was hope for love and happiness in this world. In the game, he emphasized bitterness, and that love and trust will get you killed in this apocalyptic world. And, when you dramatically, change what a character does thematically in a story that has a very passionate fanbase, usually it results in backlash. Just look at what happened when Jack Reacher got played by Tom Cruise or how book readers reacted to certain changes in Game of Thrones. Not saying it's warranted, but I think you are misguided on one of the major reasons this episode is getting backlash.

I love the Last of Us games, and am one of the biggest proponents of HBO's premium shows (The Wire and Sopranos are my two favorite drama's of all time by a wide margin). I generally think video game adaptions are an absolutely terrible idea, but was hopeful for this one given the people and studio behind it. I'm enjoying this show, and hope these changes result in a masterpiece, but I am curious on how this change thematically plays out.
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agree 100% with you. imo even if this episode was a good one, the changes they made deserved some backlash
 
Osprey said:
See what we would've missed out on if not for the weekly format? We wouldn't have gotten arguments about love, home defense tactics, Bill's desires, elephants in rooms and review bombing by disgruntled gamers. Isn't this a lot more fun?
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yup something Netflix needs to get away from. the binge thing is great but people watch it all in like a weekend and never really talk about it again. weekly just creates more hype which will help add to the shows success
 
The problem for Netflix in regards to that strategy is their shows are bad, the more they're held under the weekly scrutiny the more it could backfire.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
imo Bill wasn't Bill. I mean it was him but he wasn't really close to his in game personality
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We also don't see Bill in the games until AFTER his relationship with Frank is over. So I'm not sure what is surprising about that.
 
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The problem for Netflix in regards to that strategy is their shows are bad, the more they're held under the weekly scrutiny the more it could backfire.
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Netflix has put out, or acquired, a lot of great shows. Their problem is that they just pump shows out as fast as they can, unlike HBO

And yeah, the weekly discussion about a show and upcoming episodes adds so much more
 
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Arthur Morgan said:
Bill he just seemed like a different person from the one in the game
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I don't think it's fair to say that it's a different person. To me it's definitely the same person, just with two different outcomes when it comes to his relationship with Frank. In the game Frank gets enough of his shit and leaves and Bill becomes the way he is. The scene where they argue about the government being nazis and whatnot, let's say Frank leaves right there and then and then Bill becomes who he is in the game.

I think there were clear implications in the game to the fact that Bill wasn't always the heartless survivor he is portrayed as, when he is talking to Joel about Frank.
 
I’m still not sold on Bella Ramsey as Ellie but this show has been fantastic.

I think everything they’ve added or changed has only improved the story.
 
i am enjoying the series so far (played part2 and liked it). it will be interesting to see how or if they implement the heavy action sequences going forward. my fear is that this could make the show dull, similar to westworld, once they introduced more action scenes in season 2-3 the show became ugly quick.
 
JoVel said:
I don't think it's fair to say that it's a different person. To me it's definitely the same person, just with two different outcomes when it comes to his relationship with Frank. In the game Frank gets enough of his shit and leaves and Bill becomes the way he is. The scene where they argue about the government being nazis and whatnot, let's say Frank leaves right there and then and then Bill becomes who he is in the game.

I think there were clear implications in the game to the fact that Bill wasn't always the heartless survivor he is portrayed as, when he is talking to Joel about Frank.
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but the letter says that Frank was sick of him because of the way that he is so I figured that meant Bill was that way for a long long time.
either way the changes arent big enough for the outcome of the entire show. good episode, little bit of a let down that they moved past Bill's Town so quickly
Im ready for the new episode tonight, should be a good one
 
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They got to Kansas City awfully soon considering they were on the Pennsylvania Turnpike earlier in the day. Perhaps even I-78.
 
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GKJ said:
They got to Kansas City awfully soon considering they were on the Pennsylvania Turnpike earlier in the day. Perhaps even I-78.
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I noticed 76 and 70, same thing

Solid episode. Obv not as good as episode 3 but it was still good. Episode 3 was epic.
 
Behind the scenes commentary

- game they were in Pittsburgh but they ended up in KC in the show
 
Loving the series. I absolutely loved both games, probably my favorite game of all time (the first one) and the series is doing a great job with it. The performances are great. It’s getting better and better with each episode. Glad I’m seeing most other people are enjoying it too.
 
Great episode, loved the bonding between Joel and Ellie.

Reallyyyy hope they keep the ending Henry and Sam got in the games, have a feeling they might change it but really hope not.
 
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