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I mean, that's cool. In your short story, you demonstrated you were aware of risk, had an internal conflict about that risk, made a decision, and faced consequences.
I was thinking with the wrong head, my man. Bill may have suffered from the same problem. He wouldn't be the first nor last to let his guard down to get laid, even in a post apocalyptic world, especially if he wanted to experience a weiner for the first time.
 

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Neil Druckmann has stated on multiple occasions that the first game is about love. Somehow I think the game's writer and director has a better grasp on the source material than you do.
its also more so about loss and survival. there's only one thing that happens in the entire game that has anything to do with love and at the same time creating a monster. well already was a monster but more so now.
I also watched the Documentary for the 1st game,

Ive been a huge fan of this game since it's release in 2013 and I never seen so many people try to argue it's about love since this 3rd episode released. actually now that I think of it I dont think at any time since 2013 anyone argued this game was about love over loss and survival so I think I will just have to disagree with you. maybe the show is taking that direction but the game is not

Im sorry but one act at the end doesn't over weigh the rest of the game, it's not about love and its not a love story
 

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its also more so about loss and survival. there's only one thing that happens in the entire game that has anything to do with love and at the same time creating a monster. well already was a monster but more so now.
I also watched the Documentary for the 1st game,

Ive been a huge fan of this game since it's release in 2013 and I never seen so many people try to argue it's about love since this 3rd episode released. actually now that I think of it I dont think at any time since 2013 anyone argued this game was about love over loss and survival so I think I will just have to disagree with you. maybe the show is taking that direction but the game is not

Im sorry but one act at the end doesn't over weigh the rest of the game, it's not about love and its not a love story
Oh yes, yes please lecture me more about how you know more about the game than its creator. Let me spell it out for you. Love is the central theme of the first game. The show is an adaptation of that game. As Neil said on the podcast, the show is taking liberties with the source material if it makes the material better and that's exactly what they did with episode 3. The only people bitching about it are the same losers review-bombing it on IMDB because they're either too thick or too stupid to recognize the very same themes presented in the game. That or they're just straight up homophobes. Maybe a bit of both.
 
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Oh yes, yes please lecture me more about how you know more about the game than its creator. Let me spell it out for you. Love is the central theme of the first game. The show is an adaptation of that game. As Neil said on the podcast, the show is taking liberties with the source material if it makes the material better and that's exactly what they did with episode 3. The only people bitching about it are the same losers review-bombing it on IMDB because they're either too thick or too stupid to recognize the very same themes presented in the game. That or they're just straight up homophobes. Maybe a bit of both.
Yeah No. find anywhere that says this is about love. maybe for the TV Show its taking that direction but the game was not about love.
even a simple google wont say that it is

What is the main theme of last of us?

The Last of Us never attempts to answer the impossible "Are you truly living if your only purpose is to survive?" question. It instead makes the salient point that purpose is a powerful motivator, and there's no one more dangerous than a person with everything to lose.Sep 29, 2022

What is the message of last of us?

Humanity and Redemption. Humanity is doomed, the Last of Us refers to the remaining survivors and there is no coming back from what happened to the human race. The survivors are fighting a losing battle, there is no hope for anyone, they are not coming back to prominence.

What are the themes of Last of Us 1?

One of the core themes found in any good post-apocalyptic tale is the question of what it really means to be alive. Are you truly living if your only purpose is to survive? The Last of Us not only examines this quest for purpose but offers us a protagonist possessed by his need for it.Sep 29, 2022

I fail to see where a main theme is love.....

a bigger theme is that there is no hope.
 
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I randomly came into this thread. The game was crazy overrated, still is crazy overrated, and it's not about love lol. If the game or telly director said that, that's effin' hilarious and so far off the point. The entire point of the game is about blood and getting to Wyoming because that's the location they believed wouldn't have zombies due to climate. That's seriously the spark notes of what happens. Everything secondary about it is there for the sake of trying to be off the reservation.
 

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I randomly came into this thread. The game was crazy overrated, still is crazy overrated, and it's not about love lol. If the game or telly director said that, that's effin' hilarious and so far off the point. The entire point of the game is about blood and getting to Wyoming because that's the location they believed wouldn't have zombies due to climate. That's seriously the spark notes of what happens. Everything secondary about it is there for the sake of trying to be off the reservation.
What? You are just literally wrong about all of this :laugh: just not a plot point at all. Where did you even come up with that?
 
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I dont think as many people care about that as you think they do. everyone knows or knew Bill and Frank were together
You're probably right. Afterall, It's just a good chunk of the North American media sphere that's throwing flowers and applause at the producers, actors, and everything else associated with the episode.
 

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You're probably right. Afterall, It's just a good chunk of the North American media sphere that's throwing flowers and applause at the producers, actors, and everything else associated with the episode.
your obviously going to get alot of people who hate it just because of that one scene but it didnt bother me, it may have gone on longer than it had to but whatever, Bill didnt really seem like himself. but either way, episode 4 is coming out soon and I doubt we're going to see much bitching going on, Im assuming its going to get back on track. I hope they dont cut out some of the high action scenes. like
once the raiders(hunters) ambush them they show the camera angle under the shard of glass and Joel smashes buddie's neck into it
 
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oh boy just watched 3rd episode wasnt expecting gay fling show on last of us oh well... modern times.

I can see why they renewed the show after 2nd episode thou
 

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Yeah No. find anywhere that says this is about love. maybe for the TV Show its taking that direction but the game was not about love.
even a simple google wont say that it is

Did we play the same game? The entire point of the game is about a cold broken man (Joel) developing a paternal relationship with Ellie. If it was about "survival" the game would not have ended the way it did, and the 2nd game would not have played out the way it did, because the beating heart of the series is love between Joel and Ellie and at its core it is a love story between the two.

I swear some of you don't pay attention to what was on screen in the game aside from killing clickers and the "epic" moments
 
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I don’t know why it can’t be that they chose specific parts to not make a scene-by-scene remake of the game, and given a wider audience, made a conscious decision to not make every last detail as miserable as possible considering through 3 episodes, almost every single character we have seen besides Joel and Ellie are dead.
 

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Did we play the same game? The entire point of the game is about a cold broken man (Joel) developing a paternal relationship with Ellie. If it was about "survival" the game would not have ended the way it did, and the 2nd game would not have played out the way it did, because the beating heart of the series is love between Joel and Ellie and at its core it is a love story between the two.

I swear some of you don't pay attention to what was on screen in the game aside from killing clickers and the "epic" moments
I guess you just ignored everything else I posted?

ok so find some proof its about love. because I couldn't, I just posted multiple sources and none of them said it was. there's one small act that was done out of love in their father daughter relationship and in the end it was extremely selfish of him, also turning himself into a monster in the process which is the whole point of the 2nd game, also the 2nd game isn't about love either. the last of us isnt about love and it never was. atleast the game. im sorry you missed the point of the games
 

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I don’t know why it can’t be that they chose specific parts to not make a scene-by-scene remake of the game, and given a wider audience, made a conscious decision to not make every last detail as miserable as possible considering through 3 episodes, almost every single character we have seen besides Joel and Ellie are dead.
That's The Last Of Us, there is no hope in this world. Bill shouldn't have died but obviously they were going to make changes to the show, just after the 1st and 2nd episode I really thought it was going to follow some of the parts from Bills Town. either way it doesnt really matter its obvious at this point the game is going to break off from the game
 

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That's The Last Of Us, there is no hope in this world. Bill shouldn't have died but obviously they were going to make changes to the show, just after the 1st and 2nd episode I really thought it was going to follow some of the parts from Bills Town. either way it doesnt really matter its obvious at this point the game is going to break off from the game
There wasn’t much in it, was there?

They can only run around killing the infected so much.
 

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There wasn’t much in it, was there?

They can only run around killing the infected so much.
Im not talking about every scene or part the show has already skipped a bunch of parts like the action parts of the game, I was more of talking about seeing the 3 of them interacting.

episode 3 was fine, could have been a few pretty cool parts they could have added and still kept the love story in the episode. would have been nice to maybe see them set off some of Bill's traps and atleast being saved by Bill and then banter talk between Joel and Ellie

even if that part is used to complete the favor he owes Joel and they move on fairly quickly with the truck to allow Bill and Frank to have the rest of their episode. the episode could have had flashes of both things happening at the same time or something. it was an hour 15mins even if it took 20-30mins to complete those scenes. or even if it was part of episode 4, would have been nice to see it
 

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I guess you just ignored everything else I posted?

ok so find some proof its about love. because I couldn't, I just posted multiple sources and none of them said it was. there's one small act that was done out of love in their father daughter relationship and in the end it was extremely selfish of him, also turning himself into a monster in the process which is the whole point of the 2nd game, also the 2nd game isn't about love either. the last of us isnt about love and it never was. atleast the game. im sorry you missed the point of the games

lol the proof is literally the plot of the games.

once again, the first game is about the development of paternal love between a surrogate father daughter relationship, which ultimately ends in Joel doing the selfish act of saving Ellie to preserve their relationship rather than sacrifice her for the greater good.

The second game is about the love between Joel and Ellie and Ellie seeking revenge following his murder by Abbie.

These are pretty obvious themes, not sure what your hangups are about that
 
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lol the proof is literally the plot of the games.

once again, the first game is about the development of paternal love between a surrogate father daughter relationship, which ultimately ends in Joel doing the selfish act of saving Ellie to preserve their relationship rather than sacrifice her for the greater good.

The second game is about the love between Joel and Ellie and Ellie seeking revenge following his murder by Abbie.
source?
because I posted 3 saying it had nothing to do with it, I guess
not even the wiki page for the game says that. who's comment did you copy and paste that from?


With the game weaving a tale about human nature and what happens in a world without rules and order, it's unsurprising that The Last of Us is a heavily thematic game. It's a story that's entertaining on a surface level, but also one that's rich in subtext, telling a story about the lengths we'll go to survive.


Purpose​

One of the core themes found in any good post-apocalyptic tale is the question of what it really means to be alive. Are you truly living if your only purpose is to survive?


Loss​

Another major theme is the idea of loss. Of course, it shows up frequently in the arcs of the supporting characters, namely in Bill losing Frank, Marlene losing Ellie's mother and this spoiler doesnt need to be here

Ellie becomes permanently terrified of abandonment, as she tells Sam when he asks about her greatest fear in The Suburbs chapter.

While these just seem like two characters afflicted with grief, in actuality, this fear of loss is the glue that binds them together. Joel represses his sadness and is ridden with survivor's guilt while Ellie is terrified of abandonment and fears being alone. Their need for companionship is what forms their bond, and the fear of losing that again is what causes Joel to save Ellie no matter the cost

 

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lol the proof is literally the plot of the games.

once again, the first game is about the development of paternal love between a surrogate father daughter relationship, which ultimately ends in Joel doing the selfish act of saving Ellie to preserve their relationship rather than sacrifice her for the greater good.

The second game is about the love between Joel and Ellie and Ellie seeking revenge following his murder by Abbie.

These are pretty obvious themes, not sure what your hangups are about that
Ill agree there's love behind some of the actions in the game but that doesn't mean it's a main plot of the game. loss is a a much much bigger aspect of the game. but if u disagree its fine,
 

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source?
because I posted 3 saying it had nothing to do with it, I guess
not even the wiki page for the game says that. who's comment did you copy and paste that from?


With the game weaving a tale about human nature and what happens in a world without rules and order, it's unsurprising that The Last of Us is a heavily thematic game. It's a story that's entertaining on a surface level, but also one that's rich in subtext, telling a story about the lengths we'll go to survive.


Purpose​

One of the core themes found in any good post-apocalyptic tale is the question of what it really means to be alive. Are you truly living if your only purpose is to survive?


Loss​

Another major theme is the idea of loss. Of course, it shows up frequently in the arcs of the supporting characters, namely in Bill losing Frank, Marlene losing Ellie's mother and this spoiler doesnt need to be here

Ellie becomes permanently terrified of abandonment, as she tells Sam when he asks about her greatest fear in The Suburbs chapter.

While these just seem like two characters afflicted with grief, in actuality, this fear of loss is the glue that binds them together. Joel represses his sadness and is ridden with survivor's guilt while Ellie is terrified of abandonment and fears being alone. Their need for companionship is what forms their bond, and the fear of losing that again is what causes Joel to save Ellie no matter the cost


Source? I literally sourced the plot of the game with examples. I don't need an IGN Cliffs Notes article to tell me what the central themes of the games are. The entire point of the first game is watching Joel turn from cold person into a loving father to Ellie - which is a love story.

This isnt a controversial statement
 
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Source? I literally sourced the plot of the game with examples. I don't need an IGN Cliffs Notes article to tell me what the central themes of the games are. The entire point of the first game is watching Joel turn from cold person into a loving father to Ellie - which is a love story.

This isnt a controversial statement
whats wrong with wiki-ign? I guess I have to take your word over everywhere else?
a simple google says otherwise too, there's a very small aspect of love in it, very small but that doesnt make it the plot or theme of the game.

you have nothing to back up what your saying. if it was then SOMEWHERE would say it was while explaining the theme or plot of the game right?

I guess Ill just have to agree to disagree with you because Im getting sick of arguing with someone without any sources to back up what they are saying, and saying actual sources along with googles results being wrong
 

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whats wrong with wiki-ign? I guess I have to take your word over everywhere else?
a simple google says otherwise too, there's a very small aspect of love in it, very small but that doesnt make it the plot or theme of the game.

you have nothing to back up what your saying. if it was then SOMEWHERE would say it was while explaining the theme or plot of the game right?

I guess Ill just have to agree to disagree with you because Im getting sick of arguing with someone without any sources to back up what they are saying, and saying actual sources along with googles results being wrong
Because you generally do not need to cite things that are common knowledge and that are a clear central theme of the game lol

But sure, I'll play your game of appealing to authority
The Last of Us review: Humans, conditioned

The relationship that grows between Ellie and Joel as they fight to protect one another is the most genuine I've ever seen, brought to life by superb writing and excellent performances. It's more than a father-daughter archetype, more than an easy ploy to tug at the heartstrings. A deep love blooms between the two of them, tinged with a sadness that sometimes makes it difficult to bear.

The love is there though, and it provides the necessary motivation for the extreme acts of violence that serve as the foundation of the gameplay.

More: Why The Last of Us is a Game About Love - Hardcore Gamer
 
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Because you generally do not need to cite things that are common knowledge and that are a clear central theme of the game lol

But sure, I'll play your game of appealing to authority
The Last of Us review: Humans, conditioned



More: Why The Last of Us is a Game About Love - Hardcore Gamer
ok bravo you finally used something to back up what you were talking about. okay maybe there is an aspect of love thats part of the game but the main plot the biggest theme of it is loss and it always has been. this love is just a very very small aspect of the last of us.
 

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