Post-Game Talk: The Laine Show. Jets Win 4-3 in OT

[Channelcat]

JMO was good.

Hopefully he can keep it up.

Jets don't need him to be offensive dynamo.

Just get the puck to the forwards and let them work their magic.

Yes, he played a smart simple game. I was impressed

 

[larmex99]

I think it was "pidge", as in pigeon. Apparently, players call each other this all the time. News to me until this morning.

In days gone by a pigeon was a sucker. The type of guy that if he didn’t show up for the Saturday night poker game you cancelled the game.

 

[DiggerD]

Iirc it wasn’t until 5 mins+ into the third period when the second line had their first shift, so for some reason they skipped one of their shifts.

I thought they were benched for a while. So that’s probably why the ice time is what it was.

Because Laine was in the box, and had to wait for a whistle.

 

[Ippenator]

I'd like to see Vesalainen playing with Copp and Lowry, maybe he could finish some of the chances they create

They don’t exactly create real good chances, as neither of them is a good playmaker. Well, Copp can do somehow occasionally respectable playmaking, but he isn’t great with it for sure, and unfortunately Lowry is an awful playmaker and passer, so he especially isn’t creating much of anything. But they both are excellent in keeping the play at the opponent’s end, even though it doesn’t lead into much of anything else.

This anyway is a very useful thing for many situations, so I’m not saying that they aren’t valuable players. But putting someone in their line in the hope of him getting good scoring chances because of them, is honestly unrealistic daydreaming. Any line that Lowry plays at, can forget about creating real good scoring chances. He has unfortunately abysmal playmaking skills for the NHL level.

 

[Ippenator]

QQ: For a player who is critically important to the Jets success, who is historically a slow starter, is a point per game player and the captain of our team, how do you think you get him going?

A> Don't give him minutes
B> Give him minutes and allow him to build his confidence and get his timing back

C> Play him with reasonable minutes, but give the clearly hot players at least as much ice time or preferably even a bit more.

 

[surixon]

They don’t exactly create real good chances, as neither of them is a good playmaker. Well, Copp can do somehow occasionally reapectable playmaking, but he isn’t great with it for sure, and unfortunately Lowry is an awful playmaker and passer, so he especially isn’t creating much of anything. But they both are excellent in keeping the play at the opponent end, even though it doesn’t lead into much of anything else. This anyway is a very useful thing for many situations, so I’m not saying that they aren’t valuable players. But putting someone in their line in the hope of him getting good scoring chances because of them, is honestly unrealistic daydreaming. Any line that Lowry plays at, can forget about creating real good scoring chances. He has unfortunately abysmal playmaking skills for the NHL level.

They are generally good at getting the puck to the net in tight and a big player with good hands in tight might be able to better clean up the garbage.

But I agree they won't be setting up slot chances that often.

 

[snowkiddin]

Interestingly, I was mining for salt on the Flames subreddit (not here on HF) and they all love Markstrom. I thought he had a pretty weak game. Very much looking forward to playing him nine more times.

 

[scelaton]

The objective of overtime is to score / win.

Since 2017/18, the Jets have the 6th best OT/SO record in the NHL. (TB is in a class of their own).

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Not a bad record, looking backwards. Does that mean you think we should keep starting Wheeler on 3x3 going forward?

My view is that at the end of a tight game, when he has already been overplayed, there are now clearly better options.

 

[buggs]

Not going to be overly critical of anyone last night, be it Wheeler or Niku. It's early, give the boys (all of them) time to get up to game speed.

I'm just very happy to have hockey back. I forgot how much I missed watching games and in the current Covid environment it was such a blessed source of relief. I know that's not the case for everyone as not everyone is a huge hockey fan but I think my mental well being improved significantly last night. I'm guessing that was the case for many here, given we should have been on our second GDT of the night based on post count. And only the first game of the season. GJG.

Laine = beast.

 

[Jet]

The bad first period probably skewed my view - we started cycling a lot more after that

I’m definitely not writing anyone off yet - I’d rather see Heinola with Beaulieu when the dust clears and demelo back with Jmo

I'd definitely like to see DeMelo with Josh, I think the jury is out on Beaulieu. I just don't think you can win the cup with a guy who is so prone to total brain meltdowns like him. I'd much rather put Poolman with Heinola on the third pair and give Heinola some PP time.

 

[Jet]

I think you can be critical of his play last night and still acknowledge that he will likely get better once he gets up to speed.

I also think you can be critical of the coach playing him 20 plus minutes when he's not going while the teams most dynamic player on the day got significantly less in terms of ice time.

Its not a big deal to me as its one game but I think Wheeler at age 34 is likely not able to handle as heavy of a load as in past years. I think 17 to 18 minutes is likely his sweet spot going forward and we have the winger depth that we can afford to play hi. In that minute range.

Can't argue with that. I'm hoping with line two looking so effective and dangerous that will naturally bring Wheeler down to <18 minutes

 

[DRW204]

I don't want to single anyone or groups of fans out, but it's clear we have fans of the Jets on this forum, and fans of particular player(s). I'm a Jets fan. I want all of our players to be sucessful.

agreed. but unfortunately with those fans they can't help themselves

 

[Jet]

Interestingly, I was mining for salt on the Flames subreddit (not here on HF) and they all love Markstrom. I thought he had a pretty weak game. Very much looking forward to playing him nine more times.

From what I've seen from Markstrom he has all of the tools to be one of the best. I think he just has the odd leaky moment. Some goalies never overcome that, but if he can limit those he could be a really good pick up for the Flames. Of course, I hope not

 

[Atoyot]

The objective of overtime is to score / win.

Since 2017/18, the Jets have the 6th best OT/SO record in the NHL. (TB is in a class of their own).

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Man, I remember Gaudreau's first few seasons he was a sure thing in overtime.

 

[DRW204]

The objective of overtime is to score / win.

Since 2017/18, the Jets have the 6th best OT/SO record in the NHL. (TB is in a class of their own).

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surprising the COL is the worst

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I thought Maurice calling the time-out in the second period to give our guys a chance to rest before the 5 on 3 was huge. Then he puts 5 forwards out right after the time-out and Connor scores to tie the game up . I know alot of people hate Maurice but if that was a new coach that we hired in the off season everyone would be praising the shit out of him for those moves . Good game coach.

Quite f’ing true!

 

[abax44]

So add about a minute to his ice-time, and still doesn’t look much different. Horrible compared to Scheifele’s and Wheeler’s ice times.

His penalty starting the 3rd kept him in the box extra long (no whistle on a coincidental penalty) and I believe the 1st line double shifted once in there as well. So his ice time would be closer to Wheeler's, but still not near Scheifele's.

 

[WolfHouse]

From what I've seen from Markstrom he has all of the tools to be one of the best. I think he just has the odd leaky moment. Some goalies never overcome that, but if he can limit those he could be a really good pick up for the Flames. Of course, I hope not

Markstrom was a coup for the Flames... he will carry them to top 3 finish - they just need to tie him to his crease...
Flames probably have the strongest goalie combo in the north

 

[scelaton]

There has been a lot of talk about the merits of better balancing our lines. If Roslovic returns, it would be interesting to try him on Scheifele's line and move Wheeler to the third line.
Rationale:
1) Even if he improves his speed after a Wheeleresque slow start he won't keep up with Scheifele and Ehlers. Roslovic will.
2) A little less 5x5 ice time and shift length will keep Blake fresher for the PP
3) The third line needs some offensive creativity and Wheeler can provide this. I think a Copp, Lowry Wheeler combo could be potent offensively and defensively.

See where I am going here, Paul?

 

[Atoyot]

I thought Maurice calling the time-out in the second period to give our guys a chance to rest before the 5 on 3 was huge. Then he puts 5 forwards out right after the time-out and Connor scores to tie the game up . I know alot of people hate Maurice but if that was a new coach that we hired in the off season everyone would be praising the shit out of him for those moves . Good game coach.

My first thought was "what a stupid timeout to take". Happy to be proven wrong

 

[DRW204]

There has been a lot of talk about the merits of better balancing our lines. If Roslovic returns, it would be interesting to try him on Scheifele's line and move Wheeler to the third line.
Rationale:
1) Even if he improves his speed after a Wheeleresque slow start he won't keep up with Scheifele and Ehlers. Roslovic will.
2) A little less 5x5 ice time and shift length will keep Blake fresher for the PP
3) The third line needs some offensive creativity and Wheeler can provide this. I think a Copp, Lowry Wheeler combo could be potent offensively and defensively.

See where I am going here, Paul?

wheeler at 50% is still superior to roslovic

 

[WolfHouse]

Interestingly, I was mining for salt on the Flames subreddit (not here on HF) and they all love Markstrom. I thought he had a pretty weak game. Very much looking forward to playing him nine more times.

Both goalies had a lot of rust... Helle looked like Beauregard in the first
Markstrom is the only reason the flames got a point

 

[scelaton]

wheeler at 50% is still superior to roslovic

It's not a contest; it's about balancing lines, finding synergies and conserving energy.

 

[DiggerD]

It’s true that he after all he was in the penalty box for four minutes. But the maximum time he could have played from that is half of it or probably less than that. So ok, lets then think that without his penalties his ice time would have been a bit over 18 minutes, just like Connor had in fact. It would be looking at least a bit better, but there is still a big difference.

I think that Maurice is having endless love with Wheeler, when he gets that kind of ice-time with the kind of play he showed last night. Just as another example, Ehlers was supposedly playing on the same line with Wheeler. Still he had only a bit over 17 minutes of ice time while Wheeler had a bit over 21 minutes.

Ehlers isn't on the first PP unit, Wheeler got 2:16 more PP time, and started the OT for another minute. That is pretty much the exact difference in ice time between the 2. Wheeler had 16:30ish of 5-on-5, Ehlers had 15:15. That is the OT, and someone dragging their ass off the ice slower. I totally disagree with Wheeler starting OT, because I don't think he is fast enough on the open ice, and Ehlers is a MUCH better option. Hopefully Maurice sees that too eventually.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Like I said, if the 2nd line continues to play like they did last night, I can see that gap tightening up -
I don't really care what Mo has usually done - this top 6 may be a game changer - that's all I'm pointing out.

Remember when Laine had his dominant stretch in feb-march 17-18? The ice time stayed the same. It doesn't matter how the second line plays, Mo will play his 1st line:

Laine 15gp 18g 26pts 16:23
Ehlers 15gp 6g 15pts 15:15