The Jarmo Thread

[stevo61]

Wasn’t the Jiricek apartment thing a one day paper move…

? He was told to get a permanent place because he was seen as an NHLer. He got sent down for a game and he/agent were not happy

 

[joybang]

One game. What an absolute yawner of a controversy.

 

[tunnelvision]

But yeah, the premptive calling out anyone who disagree's doesnt really do much. People are free to disagree, its pretty warrented at this point

Would be cool though if people didn't have to be afraid of getting called negative and toxic, simply for disagreeing with overly optimistic and sometimes poorly reasoned opinions.

 

[koteka]

That’s one helluva drafting resume for the last couple of years for forwards.

Yes, and it’s a good thing that the biggest complaint with this team is not enough forwards. Looks like Jarmo has solved that forward issue. When these forward picks mature and join our great goalie pipeline, stellar defense that never blows third period leads, and our tactical genius coaches then we will surely move up to serious Cup contenders.

 

[stevo61]

One game. What an absolute yawner of a controversy.

The controversy is he shouldnt have been guarenteed anything. The kid just turned 20 a month ago, like Sillinger nothing should have been given until they gave the team no other choice

 

[joybang]

The controversy is he shouldnt have been guarenteed anything. The kid just turned 20 a month ago, like Sillinger nothing should have been given until they gave the team no other choice

Ok that’s better than how it’s always framed which is he told jiricek to get a place and sent him down like Jarmo somehow lied and broke a promise. I agree with you fwiw on he shouldn’t be making those promises. Though we really aren’t privy to those conversations.

 

[Youngguns1380]

I have taken a break from following the Jackets and posting, but here are my thoughts on Jarmo.

He seems to draft above average but is subpar on development of that talent i.e. Sillinger and Jiricek and assembly of a team.

He also seems to be off on contracts and term for players. I don’t know if that is his staff as well.

Last his evaluation of coaching candidates seems to off as well. His one exception is Torts. Torts wanted out at the end and wanted to move on.

Add all this up and Jarmo seems to average to below average as a GM.

 

[Cowumbus]

Fantilli
Johnson
Marchenko
Voronkov
Brindley
Chinakhov
Dumais
Sillinger

That’s one helluva drafting resume for the last couple of years for forwards.

Last couple years? That list contains 6 different draft classes. And Voronkov/Dumais are the only ones not taken in the top 50. Most are 1st rounders.
I’d expect us to get good players eventually with 6 first round picks in the last 3 years, and 8 picks in the top 50.

 

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[joybang]

Hell drafting in the first round is far from guaranteed.

 

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[Cowumbus]

Name how many teams in the recent years have had better value drafting than Columbus?

Plenty. Especially “value” drafting, as noted in the Athletic article I posted to this thread earlier. For sure the Dallas Stars. Or How about another terrible team, the Ducks? Who have picked Comtois, LaCombe, Colangelo, Zellweger, Luneau, Warren? Oh yeah that’s only their second round selections… I forgot Carlsson, Mintyukov, Gaucher, McTavish, Drysdale, Zegras..

Not naming some Buffalo who’s had million 1st overall picks..

“Come up with an example, but it can’t be this team bc I don’t like it!”

Even with many 1st rounders, recently Buffalo has been doing well finding value in the draft even with high picks. Examples include Benson, Peterka, Cozens.

Love it how you make it sound like drafting in the 2nd round is always a quaranteed hit

You’re mad for no reason. It’s not too difficult to understand that if you have 7 1st round picks (3 top 10), and 9 in the top 50 that you should get a decent amount of NHL players.

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Our drafting has been fine. But far from the elite/wizard level some insinuate.

 

[stevo61]

They were a rebuilding team, rebuilding teams usually have high picks.

& if you look at them they’ve had 1 top3 pick and still have drafted a forward group that could realistically be 7/9 of their top9.

I’ve been calling on them to get more vets because I believe every team needs vets but at the same time when they add when people lose their mind on why they are adding vets

They’ve drafted a foundation on which someone can build a winner but many will never give them the credit for it

Id imagine many people here like a good part of the drafting, its what comes after is more of the issue. The development, the overall roster building, the lack of vets. Jarmo operates like a scout to me, hes good at identifying talent and acquiring it but not so good at putting it all together. If we could blend the best traits of Howsen and Jarmo theyd make a pretty good GM.

 

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[stevo61]

Plenty. Especially “value” drafting, as noted in the Athletic article I posted to this thread earlier. For sure the Dallas Stars. Or How about another terrible team, the Ducks? Who have picked Comtois, LaCombe, Colangelo, Zellweger, Luneau, Warren? Oh yeah that’s only their second round selections… I forgot Carlsson, Mintyukov, Gaucher, McTavish, Drysdale, Zegras..

“Come up with an example, but it can’t be this team bc I don’t like it!”

Even with many 1st rounders, recently Buffalo has been doing well finding value in the draft even with high picks. Examples include Benson, Peterka, Cozens.

You’re mad for no reason. It’s not too difficult to understand that if you have 7 1st round picks (3 top 10), and 9 in the top 50 that you should get a decent amount of NHL players.

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Our drafting has been fine. But far from the elite/wizard level some insinuate.

I dont think our drafting after the 1st is any worse than Anaheim. Theyve got more potential on the backend from their drafting and we have more with the forwards

 

[TaketheCannoli]

More likely a good young player and a 1st. Add another 1st from Bob plus you save the picks from Duchene and Dzingel trades that's significant draft capital.

If you're going to claim Bob would have returned a first round pick, can you show comparable? Rental goalies in the recent past who returned a 1st?

 

[Cowumbus]

If you're going to claim Bob would have returned a first round pick, can you show comparable? Rental goalies in the recent past who returned a 1st?

Only ones I can recall are Ryan Miller, and Fleury (conditional 1st).

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Jarmo got word to stop grinding down RFA's and now hes gone the other way and giving them the world early? Its a very strange approach whatever the reason

In referring to grinding down RFAs, can you explain what you mean?
My impression is going back to Bill Zito, the Jackets have just been tough in negotiating with RFAs, especially ones that don't yet have arbitration rights. Is your impression something different?

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Only ones I can recall are Ryan Miller, and Fleury (conditional 1st).

Fair enough, I don't remember were there any real Cup contenders that had a #1 goalie as weak as Elliott was for the Blues at that time?

 

[Cowumbus]

Fair enough, I don't remember were there any real Cup contenders that had a #1 goalie as weak as Elliott was for the Blues at that time?

I have no idea, I was just talking about goalies traded for 1sts. Both those guys are HHOFers, so idk if Bob was viewed as being of their pedigree…

 

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[Cowumbus]

You want to praise teams draftings when they’ve had multiple 1st overall picks?
What skill does that need?

No that’s why I highlighted the success Anaheim has had with their second round selections, and the Stars with finding gems late in the first round.

Re-read your comment above and ask it to Jarmo? That’s kind of my point w.r.t. how many top picks we have had…

So based on your list you agree with me that Columbus has been one of the best drafting teams in the league the last 5 years? and suggest elite level draft work

No.

That doesn’t deserve any credit? Okay there….

 

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[Cowumbus]

You realize there´s 32 teams in the league?

If your team is in top5 for drafting then how the …. Is that just fine and not considered elite?

What do you even mean?

& Columbus is having great success with their later picks in Marchenko, Voronkov, Chinakhov & Brindley/Dumais in juniors

There are other teams have this same situation, but with an average pick that is worse (higher OA, 56 OA vs 15 OA) than the Jackets.

Drafting a Wyatt Johnston at 23OA vs a Cole Sillinger at 12OA; or a Stankoven at 47OA rather than a Cuelemans at 25OA, Robertson at 39OA are examples of elite drafting.

I am not saying that our prospect pool is bad, is that what you are thinking I’m saying?

I’m talking about value when I talk about great drafting. A great example is when Jeff Gorton got to run the 2006 draft for the Bruins. He had one 1st rounder and selected Phil Kessel. He took Milan Lucic in the second round, Brad Marchand in the 3rd and Andrew Bodnarchuk in the 5th. He got 3 of the top 10 scorers from the 06 draft, and a serviceable 6/7th NHL defenseman with 6 total picks.

 

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