The Jarmo Thread

[Viqsi]

I would never have traded Korpi. Behind the same crappy defense that made Elvis look like crap, he looked ok. Then I would have given him a similar deal to what he got in free agency. I would have worked my tail off to attach Elvis to other assets at the deadline to get rid of him.
Well the guy I wouldn't have hired was the guy we hired - with no NHL HC experience. Not sure if the CBJ FO noticed but we have gotten much better results with proven NHL coaches. It was clear in year 1 (where the team likely did over achieve) that he had no idea how to get the team to play defense. it was a horrible hire and played out as most expected. And who knows why would you think Babcock wouldn't have taken the job back then? Besides the fact that CBJ ownership would have had to pay his old contract?

Responding to criticism of 'too many "don't"s, how about some "do"s' with more "don't"s. Inspired.

 

[niflheim]

The CBJ must show improvement on the ice this season and they must make the playoffs by next season or Jarmo needs to be fired.

Brick by brick. We haven’t yet completed our Babylon tower in the clouds

 

[Viqsi]

My willingness to go along with Babcock as HC was based on trusting Kekalainen's judgement after how well the Tortorella hiring had gone, against my worst expectations.

Oops.

I'm not going to call for firing him immediately; that just disrupts the team even more. But as far as I'm concerned unless the team does substantially better he's a lame-duck GM this year.

 

[traffic cone]

My willingness to go along with Babcock as HC was based on trusting Kekalainen's judgement after how well the Tortorella hiring had gone, against my worst expectations.

Oops.

I'm not going to call for firing him immediately; that just disrupts the team even more. But as far as I'm concerned unless the team does substantially better he's a lame-duck GM this year.

It would be nice to get information on if it was 100% Jarmo's decision or if JD had a lot to do with it.

In Jarmo's defense, the league did some sort of investigation on Babcock before the hire and showed the green light. Although I don't know if that was only (TML) contract related.

 

[majormajor]

I was pretty okay with canning Jarmo before for a variety of reasons. Just lately you can list off Gudbranson / Bjorkstrand / Sillinger in the NHL, etc.., so I'd be fine with Jarmo going too.

But I think change for the sake of change is usually not a great idea, I would be if anything less confident if they fired him and replaced him with Rick Nash. Get someone brilliant or keep Jarmo.

 

[stevo61]

I was pretty okay with canning Jarmo before for a variety of reasons. Just lately you can list off Gudbranson / Bjorkstrand / Sillinger in the NHL, etc.., so I'd be fine with Jarmo going too.

But I think change for the sake of change is usually not a great idea, I would be if anything less confident if they fired him and replaced him with Rick Nash. Get someone brilliant or keep Jarmo.

Offer Tulsky a boatload or just stand pat I guess

 

[DarkandStormy]

All are welcome on the Fire Jarmo (and JD) train.

 

[Marioesque]

My willingness to go along with Babcock as HC was based on trusting Kekalainen's judgement after how well the Tortorella hiring had gone, against my worst expectations.

Oops.

I'm not going to call for firing him immediately; that just disrupts the team even more. But as far as I'm concerned unless the team does substantially better he's a lame-duck GM this year.

Yeah I really want to know who pushed for hiring Babcock. If this was Jarmos idea, send him out. If it was above him, send them out.

We can thank Jarmo for the prospect pool we have, he's pretty good st that. If he brought Babcock in by his own request then this should fall on him. If it came from above then let them go

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Offer Tulsky a boatload or just stand pat I guess

Tulsky is the jackpot, but I'll take anyone with some competency at human evaluation at this point.

Yeah I really want to know who pushed for hiring Babcock. If this was Jarmos idea, send him out. If it was above him, send them out.

We can thank Jarmo for the prospect pool we have, he's pretty good st that. If he brought Babcock in by his own request then this should fall on him. If it came from above then let them go

Jarmo needs to have the balls to standup against a shit idea, so I don't care who wanted it in the first place. Roy was available if the high ups wanted a hardass that loves winning. I'm sure they would have settled to him if Jarmo was against Babcock

 

[Doggy]

I think AP's comment in his TA article tonight is spot on:

...That would suggest that Blue Jackets players — veterans and/or young players — feel more comfortable speaking their truth to people like Bissonnette and the NHLPA than they are to the people in charge of the Blue Jackets organization. If that’s the case, the McConnell family — as hands-off as any ownership group in pro sports — might have to demand answers.

 

[NotCommitted]

I think whether hiring Babs was a decision that costs Jarmo his job depends on many things. Like if others in the org were like "Jarmo, I don't know about this... but you're the GM and it's your call" then sure. But if everyone was like all "hey yeah Babs, what a great coach, let's sign him ASAP" then probably not, even less so if he was on the fence and was talked into it or JD or someone was pushing it heavily. Even the details on the Larsen hire might impact how all this looks on him.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Both Babcock and Roy brought substantial risk as a hire. Jarmo and JD rolled the dice on Babcock and they came up snake eyes.

Time to move on from JD and Jarmo. Their "good until" dates have been passed

 

[Albatros]

If Vincent gives them a winning record this season then it ultimately doesn't matter much how that came to be, and if not then Jarmo is responsible for that. Babcock resigning merely means he's down by one early into the game, but it's still the end result that matters.

 

[NotWendell]

All are welcome on the Fire Jarmo (and JD) train.

I've been in the engine room of that one for a while.

 

[NotWendell]

My willingness to go along with Babcock as HC was based on trusting Kekalainen's judgement after how well the Tortorella hiring had gone, against my worst expectations.

Oops.

I'm not going to call for firing him immediately; that just disrupts the team even more. But as far as I'm concerned unless the team does substantially better he's a lame-duck GM this year.

I'm going to disagree. Ownership needs to make a statement about what this franchise stands for. Allowing them to keep their job for their incompetence and not condemn the alleged behavior NOW tarnishes the club and the city that bears its name.

 

[majormajor]

I was pretty okay with canning Jarmo before for a variety of reasons. Just lately you can list off Gudbranson / Bjorkstrand / Sillinger in the NHL, etc.., so I'd be fine with Jarmo going too.

But I think change for the sake of change is usually not a great idea, I would be if anything less confident if they fired him and replaced him with Rick Nash. Get someone brilliant or keep Jarmo.

Slight attitude change over the last couple hours - I'm hoping Jarmo gets canned. I would not be happy if the replacement is Rick Nash but there are presumably a lot of candidates out there that could do better.

 

[stevo61]

Slight attitude change over the last couple hours - I'm hoping Jarmo gets canned. I would not be happy if the replacement is Rick Nash but there are presumably a lot of candidates out there that could do better.

I wonder how involved Nash was with everything and how he would handle tough negotiations. Former players have been having good showings taking over management roles lately though. Stepan was just hired today to shadow Guerin

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

It’s time to move on. Same thing for JD.

Multiple turds that need to get flushed.

 

[majormajor]

I wonder how involved Nash was with everything and how he would handle tough negotiations. Former players have been having good showings taking over management roles lately though. Stepan was just hired today to shadow Guerin

Nash has seemingly been involved with everything. Every bad decision has him in the discussion.

I'm willing to consider him as he gains experience, but as of now he's way too green. He's the same age as me, 39. The ex-player "New GMs" like Grier, Briere, Drury, they're all at least 45.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Today is probably the darkest and most embarrassing day in franchise history.

It seems like Jarmo will survive (at least for now, we'll have to see what comes out from the investigation), but I hope the media asks some very important hard questions to him and JD tomorrow. It is important that they answer it well too to restore some semblance of faith in this team/staff as a fan. Don't hide behind "no comments" or "prefer to keep that in house." Air it out. You took the risk, deal with the consequences. Obviously I know some things can't be said for legal reasons, and I am not really interested in learning which players were targeted. But other than that? I need good answers.

 

[stevo61]

Nash has seemingly been involved with everything. Every bad decision has him in the discussion.

I'm willing to consider him as he gains experience, but as of now he's way too green. He's the same age as me, 39. The ex-player "New GMs" like Grier, Briere, Drury, they're all at least 45.

Well he's put in more time in a relevant position than Grier atleast. But either way I doubt a team looking to exit a rebuild makes that move without the right people around. If Jarmo is fired I wonder if he and JD are actually a 2 for deal or not

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

I think AP's comment in his TA article tonight is spot on:

...That would suggest that Blue Jackets players — veterans and/or young players — feel more comfortable speaking their truth to people like Bissonnette and the NHLPA than they are to the people in charge of the Blue Jackets organization. If that’s the case, the McConnell family — as hands-off as any ownership group in pro sports — might have to demand answers.

Knowing what you know of Jarmo, do you think the players would expect him to be the voice of reason in the front office? He is the manager that no one ever wants to talk to.

 

[majormajor]

Knowing what you know of Jarmo, do you think the players would expect him to be the voice of reason in the front office? He is the manager that no one ever wants to talk to.

When Babs was hired they spoke of creating channels for people to handle issues - the word was something like "go to the captains, or go to Jarmo, or go to JD, etc..." Perhaps that advice was not followed. But just to emphasize how much we don't know about the situation, maybe it was followed, and maybe the club addressed this issue before it leaked out, and perhaps the leak was just people talking and not realizing that the wrong people would get their hands on the story.

 

[tunnelvision]

I think I've said this in the past and I will say it again - my biggest fear about the decision to fire Jarmo is that we would eventually lose all bright minds of the current amateur scouting staff. But that doesn't matter anymore, I want him gone. Hope fans won't have to organize another protest in front of NWA for changes to happen.

 

[VT]

Take a look at the roster. Except for Jenner, all players were acquired by Jarmo. If he was fired, everything would be used by the new GM, with everyone praising him. And no one would remember that it was Jarmo who strengthened the center line and defense. And these positions have been our problem in the past.