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Not surprising. Not really even wrong. Just… something. I don’t feel good about it. I don’t think I’d feel good if the statement had been they were firing JD and Jarmo either.
Hard to say when we don't know who the replacement would be.. I think a lot of us are just over this situation in general. Its a period of time we'll all look back on with less than fond memories.

Follow up question, does this officially mean it's playoffs or bust for Jarmo/JD? Feels that way.
 

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Hard to say when we don't know who the replacement would be..

Follow up question, does this officially mean it's playoffs or bust for Jarmo/JD? Feels that way.

Starting to feel that way for me, too. Before the 'cock debacle (decockle?), I would have said "in the mix" for WC spot or bust, but at least for me, things have escalated.
 

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Hard to say when we don't know who the replacement would be.. I think a lot of us are just over this situation in general. Its a period of time we'll all look back on with less than fond memories.

Follow up question, does this officially mean it's playoffs or bust for Jarmo/JD? Feels that way.
OK but you wouldn't know who the replacement "would be" unless they announced a firing and the replacement. In which case it would be who the replacement "is."
 

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I mean this certainly damages Jarmo’s reputation as he hired Babcock but I don’t know if he should take full responsibility for the head coach actions in training process
 

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I mean this certainly damages Jarmo’s reputation as he hired Babcock but I don’t know if he should take full responsibility for the head coach actions in training process

Lol

He botched two hires in two years, including one that everyone knew was high risk.

Someone needs to be held accountable, though ownership appears to be fine with having bumbling idiots running their team.
 

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Lol

He botched two hires in two years, including one that everyone knew was high risk.

Someone needs to be held accountable, though ownership appears to be fine with having bumbling idiots running their team.
Like I said, he should be held accountable but I don’t believe it warrants him getting canned right at this moment.
This upcoming year is supposed to be a rebuilding year with nearly zero chance of competing, this head coach hiring mistake can still be fixed
 

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Jarmo and JD officially safe
No, they're not necessarily. It's possible that owners have already agreed to fire them at some point in near future, and now they will just take their time finding adequate replacements. As it's written there, "Additional disruptions would be detrimental to our players and coaches...".
 

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No, they're not necessarily. It's possible that owners have already agreed to fire them at some point in near future, and now they will just take their time finding adequate replacements. As it's written there, "Additional disruptions would be detrimental to our players and coaches...".
That's the way I read it too.
I agree firing those 2 without adequate replacements would be chaos.
it could have made sense to put Nash in GM role and bring in an advisor for him (a retired/experienced guy to help him along) but with his prior support of Babs it eliminates that option for now.
 

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Like I said, he should be held accountable but I don’t believe it warrants him getting canned right at this moment.
there's no way jarmo hires babcock in the first place if he doesn't think that it's his last chance to keep his job. if you feel that your time is running out, you're more apt to take a huge risk.

jarmo and JD took that risk with babcock (provorov was a big PR risk as well) with the idea that they could live with the immediate backlash if the team ended up having success, and the knowledge that if it didn't, they'd be out.

the fact that their last-ditch effort to find a coach blew up this spectacularly before camp even opened, and they kept their jobs anyway, is a travesty. and i say that as a big jarmo guy. there has to be accountability.
This upcoming year is supposed to be a rebuilding year with nearly zero chance of competing, this head coach hiring mistake can still be fixed
they have some very capable hockey minds in that front office who could continue that work, even if it's with interim titles, without jarmo and JD. previous jarmo proteges (mcfarland + zito) have gone on to be enormously successful GMs immediately after leaving columbus. they have another guy who fits that bill (josh flynn) and a franchise legend in rick nash who has respect across the league.

firing jarmo and JD gives the team the public perception of a fresh start while keeping continuity in the rebuild. having rick nash's name in there earns goodwill back with the fans. it's a no-brainer!

you can't correct cultural flaws if you're guilty of practicing them yourself. jarmo and JD had the opportunity to avoid that by simply not hiring babcock. the mcconnells had the chance to stop it by firing jarmo and JD. in both cases, the personal relationships – and thus the shitty culture – won out.
 

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What background checking did he actually do on Babcock? When I researched Babcock, it became apparent immediately that he's generally hated and considered by many as one of the worst human beings they have ever met.

So who did he listen to, to get the absolute opposite impression? How/why ignore the sea of red flags, how did you manage to find green flags? From a country club rollerdex?
 
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Honestly, this should probably be it for Jarmo (and I guess maybe JD).

I think he’s overall been “solid” I guess. But he’s now been at the helm 10 full seasons, which is a pretty long time regardless, and we’re only at a 50% playoff clip and only made the second round once. Three straight years of missed playoffs currently.

Then you have this situation: this is not as bad as the Beach situation (and not particularly close, in my opinion) BUT it’s an embarrassing black eye on the organization AND completely avoidable. (It’d be a little different if they hired Laviolette or something and he did this and was forced to resign. But Babcock was a known question mark.) It shows their background research/vetting was some combination of any/all of incomplete, lazy, not thorough, ignorant, etc.

I don’t think either of those things (the meh results recently and only decent results overall, and the Babcock disaster) in a vacuum are necessarily enough to let him go. But together? Yeah, I think it’s time.
 

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there was no reason for the press release to be framed the way it was, even if it was a mutual termination and not actually fireable.

jarmo's quote could have simply been something like "earlier today, we accepted mike babcock's resignation and elevated pascal vincent to head coach. we are excited to work with pascal and looking forward to working with him when training camp opens."

making jarmo's quote focus on thanking mike babcock when the only person who isn't mad at mike babcock is mike babcock himself is an enormous unforced error.

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if thanking him was a condition for him agreeing to mutual termination of contract. "Yeah sure, I'll agree to that but Mike Babcock will only sign that paper if the org releases a statement thanking mr. Babcock for his professionalism and service to the org." :D
 

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JD says he doesn't know what Babs did but he made players uncomfortable.
He would be much better off saying he can't comment.
 

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JD says he doesn't know what Babs did but he made players uncomfortable.
He would be much better off saying he can't comment.

Hard to believe, since he seemed to have the closest ties to Babcock previously. By his own words Babs came to his house twice before the hiring, right?
 
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