Post-Game Talk: The Habs played? San Jose scored 4 in the Bell Centre, so they must have.

[Belial]

Nothing to do with it. Some veterans need to take a seat in the stand for a couple of games because they are playing like pee-wees.

Kids are not the one who should always be blamed.

Yeah... You sound like you're new to this thing...

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I have no idea why this is about Bergevin again...

Evans is a decent player.

But my point was that if you have Evans as your fourth-line center then you have to give him skill on wings because he's not a bruiser/tough center whatsoever.

Pezzetta makes no sense on that line.

Bring Pitlick back or Richard or Ylonen or Simoneau instead of Pez for god sake!

You brought up Evans, I responded.

He's here because of Bergevin. Jake Evans isn't a great player. He's honestly probably making too much for the role he plays, and he is the definition of vanilla. He's a good skater, but he's not overly physical. He doesn't score goals or put up points. He has two points and two hits so far this year.... Two hits as a fourth line center. That's not good, at all. He's basically 50/50 on the draw.

I don't think Evans is going to make too many other players better, he is what he is.... I agree that him and Pezz don't mesh well together, but Pezz hardly plays at all these days (even on the rare occasion he is dressed). You can't tie Evans lack of production to Pezz.

 

[Belial]

You brought up Evans, I responded.

He's here because of Bergevin. Jake Evans isn't a great player. He's honestly probably making too much for the role he plays, and he is the definition of vanilla. He's a good skater, but he's not overly physical. He doesn't score goals or put up points. He has two points and two hits so far this year.... Two hits as a fourth line center. That's not good, at all. He's basically 50/50 on the draw.

I don't think Evans is going to make too many other players better, he is what he is.... I agree that him and Pezz don't mesh well together, but Pezz hardly plays at all these days (even on the rare occasion he is dressed). You can't tie Evans lack of production to Pezz.

He's making peanuts! Come on now...

But I would definitely like a big center able to hit people out there instead of Evans if he can't generate any offense whatsoever.

Evans was supposed to pilot a new era fourth line that can play hockey and bring production to the table but so far it's a disaster.

But to be honest it's a disaster throughout the entire lineup apart from the Suzuki line so not so sure if Evans is the real problem.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

But guys ... we're going to miss out on Bedard!!!

Hey, where's @BigDaddyLurch when you need him?

 

[Rob Sense]

Panthers and Habs are 1 and 2 for hardest schedule. I predicted 25th by mid December. November was easy, but it's gonna start getting tough. Tonight was a blessing tbh

December is where Habs go to die.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I find absolutely nothing to MSL except that Caufield somehow woke up when he arrived and that's pretty much the only thing that changed.

Meh

Come on now. We barely won with Dum-Dum, we were losing most games by a wide margin.

It's night and day. Any coach would be severly limited with this lineup. Many players are producing more, not just Caufield.

Maybe if people didn't get their hopes too quickly, they wouldn't react so negatively when the roster comes back down to earth and closer to its mean.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Folks need to chill the hell out. Monty is not Carey Price and we should be careful to bring him along slowly. If you’re throwing him out there night after night you’re going to ruin him. We’re still a bad club. Let Allen run with the bulk of the workload for now. Think long term.

And YES play some vets. You’re going to want to trade them soon. Why lower their value in the bench?

One thing I haven’t been happy about all year is Slaf’s usage. I was worried about it before the start of the year and unfortunately it’s been borne out. Play him or send him down.

Team is developing well overall. But goaltending is something we’ve always been able to take for granted. We’re going to have to find something for the future. If Monty can do it, great. But I wouldn’t count on anything from him or Allen for the future. Carey Price used to be able to carry us through long stretches even when we were playing poorly. We won’t have that anymore.

I find it hilarious that posters here scream for a rebuild. They get one. And now they’re screaming when we lose. This is what rebuilding looks like folks.

 

[salbutera]

Your obsession with toughness is really reaching legendary proportions...

It's like you've been stuck in the 70's while we're in 2022...

This team needs more skilled players to be able to score on the PP not more f***ing Pezzettas that can't make a tape-to-tape pass or hit the net from 5 feet!

The PP will improve only when a legit QB is added

 

[expy]

Folks need to chill the hell out. Monty is not Carey Price and we should be careful to bring him along slowly. If you’re throwing him out there night after night you’re going to ruin him. We’re still a bad club. Let Allen run with the bulk of the workload for now. Think long term.

And YES play some vets. You’re going to want to trade them soon. Why lower their value in the bench?

One thing I haven’t been happy about all year is Slaf’s usage. I was worried about it before the start of the year and unfortunately it’s been borne out. Play him or send him down.

Team is developing well overall. But goaltending is something we’ve always been able to take for granted. We’re going to have to find something for the future. If Monty can do it, great. But I wouldn’t count on anything from him or Allen for the future. Carey Price used to be able to carry us through long stretches even when we were playing poorly. We won’t have that anymore.

I find it hilarious that posters here scream for a rebuild. They get one. And now they’re screaming when we lose. This is what rebuilding looks like folks.

Both goalies aren't/won't be part of the long-term plan for this team.

The solution in net will be acquired via transaction.

 

[Belial]

Hey, where's @BigDaddyLurch when you need him?

It's been a while since he's not been posting! I hope he's doing fine...

@BigDaddyLurch We miss ya big boy!!!

 

[Cournoyer12]

These are the type games that frustrate the hell out of you. No jump from the start, a softy goal against in the first minute, and little intensity after! I know I’m expecting too much, but at least give a concerned effort! And I’ll say it for the umpteenth time, we’re more feisty with X in the lineup! I’m sure it would not have changed the outcome, but they are more entertaining to watch with him!!!

 

[BLONG7]

These are the type games that frustrate the hell out of you. No jump from the start, a softy goal against in the first minute, and little intensity after! I know I’m expecting too much, but at least give a concerned effort! And I’ll say it for the umpteenth time, we’re more feisty with X in the lineup! I’m sure it would not have changed the outcome, but they are more entertaining to watch with him!!!

Think Allen has let softies in, in the first minute 4-5 games in a row now.
Pure garbage......his save % is showing it.......
Monty should have been allowed to continue his streak......rookie move by the coach.

 

[Cournoyer12]

I would give my left nut for a line of Chuck Lefley, Murray Wilson, and Phil Roberto! So much talent our throwaways had in the past

 

[hvac412]

How many years left on Armia's contract?

And on pace for like maybe a 3-4 goal season,you would have thought bergeven learned something after Alzner but then again hughes gave swiss cheese Allen a contract.Edmundson/Brisbois can't be gone quick enough.SanJose was running a turnover bakery and we looked like the ice capades but it's ok to be constantly unprepared for a game Marty as long as we're having fun and it's not like a job.

 

[Rapala]

Good for the tank, but not the way I like to lose.
Love the result, hate the process.

I'm with you. The lack of execution kills me every time. I'm trying to think of a highlight in the two periods I did watch. Guhle checking Timo to the ice is what I come up with. Onwards and Downwards.

 

[Rapala]

I liked Matheson. Yes, he lost the puck some but let's be honest here.. He has NO ONE to pass to. Watch the game again.

Which is when a good Dman with his mobility turns it back the other way and regroups. Not a good excuse for a veteran with his minutes.

 

[Habs Halifax]

December is where Habs go to die.

 

[Rapala]

All true but the Habs are a better team with #72 in the line up.

That some people don't get the team is far more comfortable with him in the lineup is beyond me. It's very much like Monty over Allen. The team obviously prefers Sam at this point. Vanilla isn't the flavor of ice cream anybody wants to see in a rebuild. But it is a great flavor as part of the mix when you are top echelon.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Which is when a good Dman with his mobility turns it back the other way and regroups. Not a good excuse for a veteran with his minutes.

Matheson is basically a more matured version of Barron. Great skaters with great mobility and offensive vision but takes chances in critical areas they can avoid.

I expect Matheson to mature a bit more under MSL. Age 28 and in his prime but I can still see some growth in that 28-32 range.

 

[Rapala]

Allen is the habs number 1 goalie. It would have made 0 sense to not play him 3 straight game.

I call bs Allen has NEVER been a number one for any length of time anywhere. We HAVE to play the goaltender making the saves at critical times the one the rest of the team can get behind.

 

[jaffy27]

Folks need to chill the hell out. Monty is not Carey Price and we should be careful to bring him along slowly. If you’re throwing him out there night after night you’re going to ruin him. We’re still a bad club. Let Allen run with the bulk of the workload for now. Think long term.

And YES play some vets. You’re going to want to trade them soon. Why lower their value in the bench?

One thing I haven’t been happy about all year is Slaf’s usage. I was worried about it before the start of the year and unfortunately it’s been borne out. Play him or send him down.

Team is developing well overall. But goaltending is something we’ve always been able to take for granted. We’re going to have to find something for the future. If Monty can do it, great. But I wouldn’t count on anything from him or Allen for the future. Carey Price used to be able to carry us through long stretches even when we were playing poorly. We won’t have that anymore.

I find it hilarious that posters here scream for a rebuild. They get one. And now they’re screaming when we lose. This is what rebuilding looks like folks.

Well said LG

The Habs brass from the get go have said that its not about getting W’s at all cost, it’s about the bigger picture, developing their youngsters so we have a team that can sustain long term success.

Allen in net is all about getting him going, if thry wanted wins so we can finish barely if at all in the playoffs, then you go with Monty who has the hot hand and bench your young kids heading into the 3rd.

Last night was a tough night, big deal, on to the next game. Every team will hit these 4-8 game losing streaks….we’re due for one.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That some people don't get the team is far more comfortable with him in the lineup is beyond me. It's very much like Monty over Allen. The team obviously prefers Sam at this point. Vanilla isn't the flavor of ice cream anybody wants to see in a rebuild. But it is a great flavor as part of the mix when you are top echelon.

I think most see that angle. MSL is just trying to give ice time to everyone. But if the trend continues where we loose when Xhekaj is out and win when he is in, MSL will stop sitting him over time.

Same with Allen. I feel for him cause he is better than that. Monty should get some starts after this. 5 games in a row with save % below .900 now. Game against the Wings is a distant memory now to lots of fans.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

tonight was another reminder of just how soft this team is though, and to top it all off he sits out Arbs lol. Cole, Suzuki, Dach, Gallagher, Armia... Harris, Kovbustavic.. good god this team needs some jam out there especially the bottom two lines. I mean if you are going to have that talented first line, at least your other lines have to drive the play with puck separation and hits.. a little energy out there. Besides Pez, who on the bottom 2 lines is making any noise out there? Anderson looks really uninterested, Armia is brain dead, Gallagher is washed up and usually hits the boards by accident.

There's nothing past line one and Matheson sucks balls out there when he doesn't have the puck lol

You’re right we have a lot of dead wood in our lineup and that’s not just the expiring contract’s. I’d say outside of our 4 young forwards & 4 young D everyone else is a tradable asset +/-.
The player’s helping now Monahan, 3 veteran D and Monty have proven we can win at about .500. but yeah, too many pedestrian player’s. I’m supportive/optimistic because the young guys obviously have talent we need to build on that by moving those player’s that are helping us win now….but be warned it will get ugly when Monahan & the D are traded.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I call bs Allen has NEVER been a number one for any length of time anywhere. We HAVE to play the goaltender making the saves at critical times the one the rest of the team can get behind.

I think this is a factor of MSL trying to give him confidence and avoid the obsession on his poor play at the moment. MSL is clearly not going to throw players under the bus in front of the media like some past coaches we had.

New management is trying to establish a new culture. Kicking someone when they are down holds zero value but it's been done over and over again in Montreal and then we wonder why players avoid Canada?

 

[Habs Halifax]

tonight was another reminder of just how soft this team is though, and to top it all off he sits out Arbs lol. Cole, Suzuki, Dach, Gallagher, Armia... Harris, Kovbustavic.. good god this team needs some jam out there especially the bottom two lines. I mean if you are going to have that talented first line, at least your other lines have to drive the play with puck separation and hits.. a little energy out there. Besides Pez, who on the bottom 2 lines is making any noise out there? Anderson looks really uninterested, Armia is brain dead, Gallagher is washed up and usually hits the boards by accident.

There's nothing past line one and Matheson sucks balls out there when he doesn't have the puck lol

I've seen a stat a few days ago or last week where the Habs are near the bottom at scoring goals via causing turnovers in the offensive zone. We generate lots of our offense in transition and other teams know this as well.

Anybody have the site where you can go get those stats? Offense created from transition vs deep in the zone? That's something I liked to look at more in depth.

Last night's game got out of hand once they tried to open up and tie the game. If not for that weak 1st goal, it might have went 0-0 OT. Habs did have lots of scoring chances but lacked finish so I think this is a circumstantial game vs them being soft as a prime result of the loss.